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The phenomenon I have explained in my big thread, where people's belly "shy out" and others get "taken over" by parasitic mushrooms.

Everyone who ever seen his ego being supressed during psychedelic experience knows how we are used to have these thought forms that limit our evoution, I'm saying it's not mental anymore, it became physical.

Of course there is still much work to do...

And Douglas I'm not judging you, our interview was cut short due to a solar flare that mixed up some parallel existences, I'm looking forward to receiving you again.
 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
I'm saying it's not mental anymore, it became physical.

Where do you explain this?
 
Forkbender a dit:
He's been acting upon "it" for years now. This is his spiral, not ours.
What do you mean by 'This'? This thread? This discussion?
Yes, this discussion, about the esoteric. It didn't start with the arrival of Ahuaeynjxs. He just brought it to the forefront again.
 
Unification of holographic perspectives by the destruction of the black hole artifact. (metaphor for einstein's theory in the imaginary realm)

The unification factor is the symbiosis with the amanita mushroom as the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
CaduceusMercurius a dit:
Yes, this discussion, about the esoteric. It didn't start with the arrival of Ahuaeynjxs. He just brought it to the forefront again.

That's true. And I like his viewpoint on it, because esotericism is by nature hiding wisdom within forms of knowledge. This hiding creates problems. I think you need to see GODs effort in this light: he tries to unhide the wisdom within, instead of shedding light on the shells.
 
Forkbender a dit:
That's true. And I like his viewpoint on it, because esotericism is by nature hiding wisdom within forms of knowledge. This hiding creates problems. I think you need to see GODs effort in this light: he tries to unhide the wisdom within, instead of shedding light on the shells.

to do that you have to acknowledge that the self, the ego does play a part in what you believe, that you are responsible for shaping your own belief system. GOD does this, and i appreciate his posts

it seems there is some kind of threshold where some stop acknowledging this (or never did realize it), and think their beliefs are an expression of some higher power or hidden truth (always limited to the self or a select group of other believers who can see)... thereby subconsciously empowering the self because you know this deep truth, while freeing the self from criticism at the same time. we all do it to some degree without realizing it. esoterica by its very nature tends to cause this phenomenon. as does religion.

i respect for those who embrace different and esoteric belief systems as a tool to explore, while not completely losing touch with consensual reality or becoming so self-confident that they turn all conversations into proselytyzm (generally without even realizing it.)

ok i'm rambling now and getting dangerously close to the soap box myself. :D
 
Forkbender a dit:
That's true. And I like his viewpoint on it, because esotericism is by nature hiding wisdom within forms of knowledge. This hiding creates problems.
We use the word esoteric for subjects which were hidden from the Church and other oppressive forces, or which were too delicate to be spread publicly. Nowadays there's nothing 'hidden' about astrology for example. One can pick up books to learn the art, buy software, follow a course etc. The same applies to harmonics, fractals, sacred geometry, fytotherapy, orthomolecular nutrition and Chinese medicine. These are all matters that could be discussed on this forum, for the benefit of those who have the patience and inquisitiveness to learn something new.

I think you need to see GODs effort in this light: he tries to unhide the wisdom within, instead of shedding light on the shells.
Well, from my vantage point I actually have the feeling he's doing the opposite: shedding light on the shells (any sign of 'esotericism'), while refusing to consider even the possibility of wisdom hiding underneath. This is why most of his comments in such discussions are unconstructive rather than constructive. This was highlighted in his disagreements with me in the past, and was again reflected clearly in his encounter with Ahuaeynjxs. That's why I said it was his 'spiral', an attitude he committed himself to a while ago. This attitude is preventing him (and others) from understanding new phenomena like Ahuaeynjxs and what he has to offer to the community.

Forkbender a dit:
Yes. Agreed. But what did you measure it against? How do you know this material to be true/objective or not?
The Amanita recipe I tried, and indeed, a simple cold water extraction works perfectly. Some health advice I tried out for a couple of weeks, and chronic pain disappeared. I already had knowledge of the herbs, fatty acids, vitamins and minerals he recommends: I know they work because my customers say they do, and I know the biochemical principles which explain why they work (for example, it's not pseudo science to say B-vitamins are essential for numerous enzymatic processes in the body, or that electrolytes and EPA are important for a proper functioning of the nervous system). I don't know how monotomic gold works, but if I'd care, I know the information is readily available on the internet, or I could ask Ahuaeynjxs about it directly. Regarding fractals, the Fibonacci sequence, the Golden Mean, Phi, the platonic solids, harmonics, numerology, all of these things I studied throughout my life, but mostly in 2005 and 2006, in a structured manner. You measure the material against what you already know about mathematics, physics and natural processes. You can use a simple calculator to verify all that's written there. It's fringe science, not pseudo science. We're psychonauts, not idiots. Indeed, once you understand, the mystical ceases to be mysterious. You know and understand, which allows you to know and understand more and more. We're not dealing with unverifyable beliefs here.
 
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Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
Unification of holographic perspectives by the destruction of the black hole artifact. (metaphor for einstein's theory in the imaginary realm)

The unification factor is the symbiosis with the amanita mushroom as the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
"Never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I think this thread should be about making decisions, not chatting about who's wrong and who's right, this won't get us anywhere.

Maybe we should just make a vote, asking every member about what he thinks should be done in order to calm things down, and call it a day.

CaduceusMercurius a dit:
The same applies to harmonics, fractals, sacred geometry, fytotherapy, orthomolecular nutrition and Chinese medicine. These are all matters that could be discussed on this forum, for the benefit of those who have the patience and inquisitiveness to learn something new.

Maybe you should create a section for these subjects, in order to prevent topics from people who believe in that and those from people who don't to overlap.
 
Tiax a dit:
Maybe you should create a section for these subjects, in order to prevent topics from people who believe in that and those from people who don't to overlap.
That was suggested a while ago. But there was opposition. :wink:
 
Forkbender a dit:
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Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
Unification of holographic perspectives by the destruction of the black hole artifact. (metaphor for einstein's theory in the imaginary realm)

The unification factor is the symbiosis with the amanita mushroom as the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Regarding the black hole artifact, ask questions about it or simply stay tuned. Regarding symbiosis with the Amanita, read about the characteristics of the mycelium in this text: http://ambrosiasociety.org/files/herbofimmortality.pdf
 
but he does it again and again: so much unfiltered information that doesn't really say anything to anyone at face value and when you ask something about it he starts again with a whole new subject. this basically invites people to dig their own holes and although it is good to let people do their own research, this seems just trickery because he determines where the holes are supposed to be.
 
You can shine your shoes and wear a suit
You can comb your hair and look quite cute
You can hide your face behind a smile
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

You can wear a mask and paint your face
You can call yourself the human race
You can wear a collar and a tie
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

Well now you know that your
Cat has nine lives
Nine lives to itself
But you only got one
And a dog's life ain't fun
Mamma take a look outside

You can go to church and sing a hymn
You can judge me by the color of my skin
You can live a lie until you die
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside

One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside
One thing you can't hide
Is when you're crippled inside
 
Forkbender a dit:
but he does it again and again: so much unfiltered information that doesn't really say anything to anyone at face value and when you ask something about it he starts again with a whole new subject. this basically invites people to dig their own holes and although it is good to let people do their own research, this seems just trickery because he determines where the holes are supposed to be.

So why not ignogre him :?:
 
Compassion :?:
 
Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup,
They slither while they pass, they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind,
Possessing and caressing me.
Jaya gurudeva om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Images of broken light which dance before me like a million eyes,
That call me on and on across the universe,
Thoughts meander like a restless wind inside a letter box
They tumble blindly as they make their way
Across the universe
Jaya gurudeva om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.

Sounds of laughter shades of earth are ringing
Through my open views inviting and inciting me
Limitless undying love which shines around me like a
Million suns, it calls me on and on
Across the universe
Jaya gurudeva om
Nothing's gonna change my world,
Nothing's gonna change my world.
 
I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
Money for dope
Money for rope

I'm sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
It's money for dope
Money for rope

Ah, I'm sick and tired of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of reading things
by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
 
Wake me up before you go-go
Don't leave me hanging on like a yo-yo
Wake me up before you go-go
I don't want to miss it when you hit that high
Wake me up before you go-go
'Cause I'm not plannin' on going solo
Wake me up before you go-go
Take me dancing tonight
I wanna hit that high (yeah, yeah)
 
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