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[Forkbender]

1) Do you think I've failed as a site administrator for this Psychonaut community in the way I handled the presence of new member Ahuaeynjxs?

A. has posted a lot of BS since joining, so I never took him seriously for the first few weeks. Then I read some more interesting posts and he does have some things to say, but needs to learn to communicate in a way that is constructive instead of just one-way-traffic from the supposed infinite mind of the universe to the puny little habitants of earth. The stopping sun thread really went nowhere fast. I think you should have checked some of the information A. has been posting in that thread before getting on with the discussion. But that has not a lot to do with you being an administrator.

2) Is my personal interest in numerology, harmonics, sacred geometry and astrology annoying to you?

I usually don't read threads like that anymore. So I can't say I'm annoyed.

3) What do you think about the way Ahuaeynjxs interacts with others?

I think he thinks to highly of himself, reminds me of Enivid. (And of course both of them can't agree).

4) What do you think about the way GOD interacts with others?

Although it might seem harsh on the surface, his intentions are always to help others, which I cannot say for anybody else on this forum, including me. Sometimes people will not listen if you cover a message between layers of shiny words and nice perfumes. Shit has to be thrown in the face in order to learn.

5) What do you think about the way I interact with Ahuaeynjxs, GOD and all of you?

I think GOD has a legitimate concern. He is not against A. He is not against you. He sees things spiraling out of control and acts upon it. You ignore what he has been saying, don't react to anything, which is kind of weird as you react to everybody else.

6) Does it bug you that some members want to discuss psychedelics in the context of esoteric issues, like the Mayan calendar, 2012, chakras, synchronicity, astrology etc.?

No. But hard questions should be allowed and if people cannot back their claims up by answering these questions, I don't like the discussions that come out of it. Therefore I generally don't read them.

7) Or conversely: does it bug you that such discussions are invariable followed by ridicule?

No. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

& now the GOD-questions:

1 Has anyone else noticed that aya-wotsit has edited his first post in the "Sex" thread ?

I did not, I only saw the thread the day after.

2 Has anyone noticed that hes done it in other threads more than once ?

I rarely read what he has to say, unless it is somehow rational and understandable.

3 Does anyone think that his contribution to this site has been worthwhile or helpfull . ( sorry i dont know how to formulate that in a better way )

I don't bother to read 98% of his posts, so to me: no.

4 Do you think he has a positive , negative or neutral influence on the site and its members ?

Hard to say. All the BS posts are definitely negative. But I do think he has come across a lot of knowledge that could be interesting to a lot of members (if he's willing to back it up with serious sources corroborating his findings). I think his situation and his experience have tought him a lot and we can all profit from it if he is able to communicate in a way that is actually following some form of logic.

To sum it all up. A. has interesting things to say, but doesn't say it in a way that is acceptable to all. GOD and CM argue over the way to deal with this. GOD says: we should stimulate him to back his claims up and only say things that others understand. CM says: freedom of speech is more important than everybody understanding what someone says. Fork leaves this thread until more action is required.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I never expected this to escalate like this, but we are now one of google's favorite sites ; they're reading us alright

It has been noted before that we're often way up in Google (and other search engines). To a large extent that is the result of extensive PR activities by the site owners and Jakobien over the years. There are banners and links to Psychonaut all over the web, so our PageRank is quite high.

 

[restin]

But lo and behold, noone has even ATTEMPTED to do so ! And besides, I understand your frustration about absorbing this new material, because I was myself VERY frustrated when I found this out in the peak of my sickness ; I almost killed myself because of it, but it's necessary, because of all your maturity I now see this ; and I think you are all great beings for being yourself around it.

That's my point. You are imposing your sources on me and on all and this is the only thing I will not accept. In the Phi part of whatever thread you posted ONE homepage and started to impose your truth this is not acceptable. I looked at your homepage and didn't find any scientific proof or anything that looked like it.

 

[Forkbender]

^I don't know if anyone with a scientific mind can actually read A's posts.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

More and more contradictions...

Fork... you say shit needs to be thrown in the face to learn, yet if it's me that throws it it's wrong ? Suuuree...

Restin, Just don't read my freakin posts, noone is imposing anything on you, make up your own mind, do your own research, think for yourself.

I'm not your father !

 

[mysticwarrior]

This is getting nowhere...... :roll:

 

[Forkbender]

Fork... you say shit needs to be thrown in the face to learn, yet if it's me that throws it it's wrong ? Suuuree...

I'm not saying it is wrong. Where did I do that? I said that you were spreading bullshit in some threads and that that is not constructive or helpfull to anyone. If you can show me something that I need to learn and that is one of my blind spots (throw shit into my face), don't hesitate to call me on that, because that's exactly what I need at that moment. I might feel bad about it for a minute, I might even hate you for a second, I might even respond and pretend I didn't get your point but if it is true and you sincerely tell me something about myself that I did not know than I welcome it.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Exactly... my posts are not intended to be scientific, in fact they quite make science look in the early stages of development, unable to fully embrace the magnitude of the discoveries presented.

"Random chance seems to have operated in our favor" -- Spock
"In plain, non-Vulcan English, we've been lucky" -- McCoy
"I believe I said that, Doctor" -- Spock (The Doomsday Machine)

:lol:

There I just did it.

 

[Forkbender]

Exactly... my posts are not intended to be scientific, in fact they quite make science look in the early stages of development, unable to fully embrace the magnitude of the discoveries presented.

:roll:

ARE YOU STUPID?

In order to communicate knowledge, you must use certain rules that people have generally accepted as ways of talking about truth. You don't do that. If that is your whole point and you want to show the limits of knowledge, wouldn't it be better to just shut the f#*k up?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

1 Has anyone else noticed that aya-wotsit has edited his first post in the "Sex" thread ?

2 Has anyone noticed that hes done it in other threads more than once ?

3 Does anyone think that his contribution to this site has been worthwhile or helpfull . ( sorry i dont know how to formulate that in a better way )

4 Do you think he has a positive , negative or neutral influence on the site and its members ?

1) No. It doesn't show.
2) No, just a few edits once in a while.
3) Regarding the information he has shared, I found Dan Winter's videos and website quite interesting, and I also appreciated the Amanita text by the Ambrosia Society. Some of his personal contributions, including health advice, have been very helpful to me.
4) We can only answer this question in retrospect. If the current confusion leads to greater community, then the effect will have been positive for the site. Otherwise it will only have been positive for the individuals involved.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

This is getting nowhere...... :roll:

My guess is this is going to be Fork's thread after all... :lol:

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

You got me wrong fork, as you said maybe you are feigning not to get me ? :roll:

You see it is often admitted that the first step to knowledge is realise how little we know, this is exactly why I challenge first, I have merely begun to actually speak the knowledge I really feel like communicating ; scratching the surface in a general fashion so to speak, so the glue actually sticks better to the surface.

I have no expectations on where this is going, I go with the flow.

Basically I'm asking ; does anyone think he has a better root to explain a phenomenon we all experience, all people that did LSD realise how people manipulate and live as automatons day to day, merely be recognizing this you affirm some part of your life is mystical to different degrees.

I'm saying it's not mystical, I challenge and ask, does anyone have better science to BEGIN to understand it, so far everyone has been silent.

I have been told ; this is crap, but nothing better has been offered. Nothing.

Evenmore, perhaps some of my points COULD have been corrected, but all effort have been chanelled in a manner to diminish me instead of looking for documents that would contradict my sayings, to me this horizontally projected anger and harsh words are a confirmation of the legitimacy of my questioning.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The stopping sun thread really went nowhere fast.

It didn't have to go anywhere. Should all threads go somewhere?

I think you should have checked some of the information A. has been posting in that thread before getting on with the discussion.

I think I'm actually one of the few people who did that, who spent at least a few hours digging through that material.

Sometimes people will not listen if you cover a message between layers of shiny words and nice perfumes. Shit has to be thrown in the face in order to learn.

We're concerned with the message, not with distractions like perfume or shit. What do you like about his message? And why should Ahuaeynjxs "communicate in a way that is constructive" if you think throwing shit in someone's face is a good way to get a message across? :?

He sees things spiraling out of control and acts upon it.

He's been acting upon "it" for years now. This is his spiral, not ours.

You ignore what he has been saying, don't react to anything, which is kind of weird as you react to everybody else.

Let me know what questions you want me to answer. I don't have time to respond to all his posts, though I've tried to answer the important questions.

 

[silv]

Can't say I'm really active, but still I'll answer the questions for completeness (and because I'm bored )

CM Questions

1) Do you think I've failed as a site administrator for this Psychonaut community in the way I handled the presence of new member Ahuaeynjxs?

I have gone away from threads involving this dude quite fast because his style of posting annoyed me. Because of this I can't answer this question.

2) Is my personal interest in numerology, harmonics, sacred geometry and astrology annoying to you?

I like asking questions more than giving explanations and thus I'm not too fond of the things you mention. Also I think that when one does, the scientific method is the way to go. This in itself is questionable, and from someone schooled in contemporary philosophy of science I'd be very interested in explanations why this is a wrong method. However, besides that the pseudosciences you name annoy me. Your interest in it however is your own. The frontpage seems to be free for everything related to psychonauting, and the pseudosciences you name are related. Thus you post there whatever you want, and when it annoys me I won't read it.
In short: Do your thang, if it annoys me I'll stay away from a thread

3) What do you think about the way Ahuaeynjxs interacts with others?

Well nothing too good really as you can already see in 1). Other than that I don't really care about the dude.

4) What do you think about the way GOD interacts with others?

I like the way GOD forces everyone to either put themselves in to a bigger picture and realise they're not as important as they think they are or to show they don't understand what he means and get angry (ofcourse there are exceptions to this).

5) What do you think about the way I interact with Ahuaeynjxs, GOD and all of you?

As far as I can judge, you're not doing bad

6) Does it bug you that some members want to discuss psychedelics in the context of esoteric issues, like the Mayan calendar, 2012, chakras, synchronicity, astrology etc.?

That depends, if you open a thread about this I'll gladly ignore it and get to stuff that I do like. If it comes up in discussions that are (IMO) not fit for these subjects, I don't like it

7) Or conversely: does it bug you that such discussions are invariable followed by ridicule?

Are they?

GOD Questions:

1 Has anyone else noticed that aya-wotsit has edited his first post in the "Sex" thread ?

As per the answer to CM's 1st question I can't say I did, however if he did it'd be nice if he'd have added explanations of what was changed.

2 Has anyone noticed that hes done it in other threads more than once ?

See above.

3 Does anyone think that his contribution to this site has been worthwhile or helpfull . ( sorry i dont know how to formulate that in a better way )

I don't know, I for one consider his contribution to this site to be not to great (see above)

4 Do you think he has a positive , negative or neutral influence on the site and its members ?

On the site: Neutral, on it's members I can't judge.

 

[mysticwarrior]

Hehehe, i just took some ritalin's because all the bullshit i read last night in the SEX thread and today in this forum thread. I was so confused and also a little sad, just because everyone is blaming each other with there own weakness and there ego's. Well i was walking, i thought about everything i read and have said, i realised i also joined this game. And to be honest, i really don't like it!

When i joined the forum in 2007, i was amazed about all the great people who where on this forum. On that moment i wasn't really into psychedelics at all. Oke, i had done mushrooms a couple of times but that was already a long time ago. This forum inspired me and challenged me, to try and investigate other psychedelics. Since i joined the forum I've spend plenty of houres, reading, writing and thinking about the many topics. Many forums do have administrators and moderators, who are liking to play fascistic games and point on lots of mistakes people do make. But on psychonaut, this never was the case and i admired psychonaut because of that. I loved it how everyone, and not just the moderators, directed everything in a good and positive way.

Now the last period, it became clear to me that there where some members who felt them self s superior, and started hijacking topics from others, startinf flame wars etc. I don't want to mention names, because maybe i have also played a part in this. But the most important thing is, that it would be really cool to make it a nice and peacefully place again. If we go on like where doing right now, we finally need to start taking the forum rules really serious.

I have still a lot to say and post on this forum, but sometimes i don't do this, because i know that there is a change on a flame war, or people who are hijacking the topic. I don't want to waste time here on psychonaut, and hearing that i am a fool because my thoughts i write from out of my hart, are not really scientifically proved. I know, we all here on psychonaut do say things that cannot be scientifically proved.

In order to communicate knowledge, you must use certain rules that people have generally accepted as ways of talking about truth. You don't do that. If that is your whole point and you want to show the limits of knowledge, wouldn't it be better to just shut the f#*k up?

Look at yourself fork and don't take me wrong. I've read a lot of posts you have written the last years, and i never saw you reacting like this. To be honest, i am suprised to read something like this that is written by you. I mean you also know just like me, that not everyone will ever accepting those rules to communicate properly. Probably you where also anger and confused at the time your wrote that, at least i had some confused thoughts about everything i've read last night and today.

You want him to shut his mouth, but i would like to read more posts that are written by Ahuaeynjxs. To be honest, i think there are a lot of interesting people over here, with different view points that are not always generally accepted as ways of talking about the truth. Or either can be scientifically be proved. A lot of new things can come out of these kind of thoughts, so basicly i would love to see that everyone has the right to speak out what's on his mind, without people attacking them on there believes.

We can go on, and discuss this endlesly! But to take away the tension from the last period. We need to start discussing, about what we tolerate and do not tolerate. We need to reach a compromise, before the forums turns into a dead place. We as psychonauts, do all understand what the EGO is. And the foundations of the problems that i read over here the last period, do have to do a lot with our EGO's.

So i suggest, to compromise. I suggest to make psychonaut an interesting place again. I suggest, to discuss how we can solve our problems, instead of making them worse by blaming each other with bullshit that no one wants to read. Of course people join and leave the forum, but lately i have the idea that more people are leaving the forum then that they join it. It could be at least something, that could be investigated.

I hope you all think the same, and see the importance to start compromise. Let we have the purpose, to make the forum even better then it ever was before. I am willing to work, like i said in another topic to rebuild psychonaut in such a way that there are less bugs and problem's with the system itself, without changing the design. But if we go on like some of us have doing the last period, i believe it would be a waste of time. Though, i would go on rebuilding psychonaut, but with less inspiration because of the tension that it's obvious if you read a lot of topics.

Something else i do think, we need to start with. Is staying on topic! Lately a lot of topics ending with a completely different subject. And if i open a topic, i do this because i am interested in it and not to read something that has nothing to do with the topic.

Once again, i hope you will all come down of you mountain and start communicating and solving the problems, so we can transform this place in one, you wouldn't find easy on the internet.

Much Love and peace!

Mysticwarrior.

 

[restin]

I am sad to hear that people don't post things they think because they fear the others. Why don't you see it as a chance to improve and prove your theory? If you say ABCD and someone says "bullshit, what about E" then you say "E is related to C because FGHI and the others say "bullshit, what about Z?" and you say ok, I was wrong about that so I will change my statement and say ABC. In the end, you also profit from criticism. And that's what I think all the critique is ment. It is not ment to discourage but to encourage. Consider this.

 

[Forkbender]

Look at yourself fork and don't take me wrong. I've read a lot of posts you have written the last years, and i never saw you reacting like this. To be honest, i am suprised to read something like this that is written by you. I mean you also know just like me, that not everyone will ever accepting those rules to communicate properly. Probably you where also anger and confused at the time your wrote that, at least i had some confused thoughts about everything i've read last night and today.

You want him to shut his mouth, but i would like to read more posts that are written by Ahuaeynjxs. To be honest, i think there are a lot of interesting people over here, with different view points that are not always generally accepted as ways of talking about the truth. Or either can be scientifically be proved. A lot of new things can come out of these kind of thoughts, so basicly i would love to see that everyone has the right to speak out what's on his mind, without people attacking them on there believes.

I know where you are getting at, but you have misread what I have typed. I said that IF his point was to make us aware of the shortcomings of ourselves, he'd better shut up, because right now most people don't read a word of what he is saying so the message doesn't come across anyway. I question his motives, I'm not implying that he should shut up, because I don't think that will do any good.

Good point on the ontopicness of topics, though. I fully agree with that.

 

[Forkbender]

Basically I'm asking ; does anyone think he has a better root to explain a phenomenon we all experience, all people that did LSD realise how people manipulate and live as automatons day to day, merely be recognizing this you affirm some part of your life is mystical to different degrees.

I'm saying it's not mystical, I challenge and ask, does anyone have better science to BEGIN to understand it, so far everyone has been silent.

What do you mean by "it's not mystical"? What phenomenon? I don't understand what you ask.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I think my purpose should be clear to you by now, as I said I will not be popular, and my goal is not to be read by many people.

I'm looking for virtuous psychonauts to clear the logoi "drug" planes. The only one to have actually found meand made it past the guardians is Douglas, and it was not to explore like I intend to, he wanted to trade with me. Another of my connected functions is provide information that can be lifesaving, or improve general well being, while challenging the mind to think for itself and corroborate.

I don't care if people read me or not, criticism without constructivism is purely negative in this sense, because not only you are distrupting the natural flow, but people with very simple insights that can make a big difference will also be shy or reluctant to participate because those young geniuses are very sensitive to "flames".

Anyways, think what you want about my info, I care what you think of me as a human and I hope you point out of I'm unethical, but those "thoughts" are not mine, none are anyone's ; it's about time we realise this ; we all channel.

 

[Forkbender]

It didn't have to go anywhere. Should all threads go somewhere?

No. But you thought you were going somewhere, I believe. All the theories and constructions were castles in the sky.

I think I'm actually one of the few people who did that, who spent at least a few hours digging through that material.

Yes. Agreed. But what did you measure it against? How do you know this material to be true/objective or not?

We're concerned with the message, not with distractions like perfume or shit. What do you like about his message? And why should Ahuaeynjxs "communicate in a way that is constructive" if you think throwing shit in someone's face is a good way to get a message across? :?

Because he paints pictures of other worlds and weird theories to tell people they are wrong instead of just saying they are wrong because A doesn't follow from B. Throwing shit in someones face is my way of saying that one should tell it like it is, say the things that are wrong and why they are wrong. Don't try to persuade someone to your viewpoint with sweet words but confront, so that the other knows to whom he's talking and will respect the directness instead of ignore him.

He's been acting upon "it" for years now. This is his spiral, not ours.

What do you mean by 'This'? This thread? This discussion?

Let me know what questions you want me to answer. I don't have time to respond to all his posts, though I've tried to answer the important questions.

I'll get back to you on that.