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silv a dit:
Funny you should say that, there's 2 billion muslims in the world, I'd dare a guess at what the majority is doing :P
How many of them are living in mixed cultures, i.e. the West?
Ten million.
 
What relevance has that got to what Silv said ? Or are you trying to change the subject and avoid giving an honest answer again ?
 
OMG, I got that number by doing a google search, and obtained it from this website, which I read just now. It turned out to be quite a remarkable page!

http://www.alrisala.org/Articles/mailing_list/muslims_in_western_world.htm


Muslims in the Western World


Maulana Wahiduddin Khan

At the present time about ten million Muslims live in the western world, including America. These people, who have migrated from their homelands, are generally well off economically. However, when you meet them, you will find that all of them share a common concern, that is, how to save their next generation from the invasion of western culture.

But this is not, in fact, a case of an enemy plot or of a cultural invasion. This is totally in accordance with a law of nature. The law of nature applicable to this world is - one who fails to become a Dayee (Giver) has no option but to become a Mad’u (Receiver). These Muslim settlers in western countries did not make an effort to communicate the message of Islam to their new compatriots, so these nations brought them under their own influence.

The same case of migration had taken place in the first phase of Islam. Muslims from Arabia spread to Asian and African Countries in large numbers. However, when these Muslims left their homelands for foreign lands; it was with a missionary spirit.

Therefore, they did not have to face the problem of cultural invasion like that of the Muslims of present times. Instead they absorbed all the people they met with in the culture of Islam. Wherever they went, they managed to change not only their religion and culture but also their language.

The Muslims of the present day must follow suit. Every Muslim should become an example of "One man - two missions." On the one hand, they must work to meet their worldly needs and, on the other, they should devote their time and energy to D’awah-oriented activities. They should become universal ambassadors and communicate the positive, peaceful message of Islam to all human beings.

This is the only way to success for these Muslims. If they fail to make other nations the subject of Islamic d’awah, they cannot remain immune to the non-Islamic influences exerted by them.

They may even lose their Islamic identity as well. You have to work for the Islamization of the world; otherwise you yourself will be de-Islamized by the world around you.

Nowadays the task of Islamic d’awah has become so easy that any man or woman can perform it without it encroaching on his or her daily engagements. What is needed is that, just as 'money' is your concern, so also should D’awah become your concern.

Fortunately we are living in an age of modern communication. Today such resources are within our reach as have greatly facilitated the work of D’awah. Through telephone, printed material, electronic media, Internet etc. With great speed and in/less time, D’awah work can be effectively performed. There is a need only for a fuller consciousness of its importance and the necessity to perform it in an organized way.

D’awah work will pay dividends not only in this world, but also in the world Hereafter. Making D’awah one's mission is to make one's life purposeful. In this way, one can regulate one’s whole life in a positive manner. One is enabled to work in a planned way. Moreover D’awah work will open the door to heaven. The truth is that D’awah work provides a guarantee for twofold success: success in a world as well as in the next eternal life. The Quran has this to say on this struggle that D’awah work involves:

For the like of this let all strive, who wish to strive (37:61)
 
GOD a dit:
What relevance has that got to what Silv said ? Or are you trying to change the subject and avoid giving an honest answer again ?
Ten million out of two billion is not a majority. In muslim countries Christians are not allowed to build a church, so there's no co-existing there. The only muslims that are put to the test of co-existence are those living in the West, and they are not the majority of muslims.
 
". In muslim countries Christians are not allowed to build a church, so there's no co-existing there. The only muslims that are put to the test of co-existence are those living in the West, and they are not the majority of muslims."

Not true , its more of your generalising and rasist hypocrasy .
 
GOD a dit:
Go ahead, rectify me, I don't mind. I've been under the impression that in Islamic countries you can not build a church. In which Islamic countries is it allowed?
 
I have come across an interesting blog that is really uniquely looking similar issues being discussed here. I may, when i've read it in full, post more, but found this quote seriously funny and thought i'd share it here

"The winning majority howled with pleasure when Ibn Warraq summed up the debate: "I don't want to live in a society where I get stoned for committing adultery. I want to live in a society where I get stoned. And then commit adultery."

:D
 
LOL!

OK, in order to figure out in which Islamic countries the building of new churches is allowed, I found out that only very recently (May 2008) a fatwa had been announced, stating that in all Islamic countries the building of churches is now allowed, if the ruler of the country agrees. So the times are indeed changing!
:D

[quote:2z0dsip0][size=150:2z0dsip0]“Building churches in Muslim countries permissible
 
even O'Reilly is more intelligent than Wilders and this says a lot about this sonofabitch. zezt you seriously offended the muslems. Go to hell. Sad you're sitting safely behind your screen :evil:
 
restin a dit:
even O'Reilly is more intelligent than Wilders and this says a lot about this sonofabitch.
It almost seemed staged to me. There's no proof Islamic terrorists blew up those busses in the UK, but O'Reilly suggests it's obvious muslims did it. He's criticizing Wilders only insofar as his film is similar to comedians making fun of Christianity (Bill Maher's Religulous movie), people pointing out violence in the Bible, etc.
 
thanks for posting that link. interesting
 
restin a dit:
even O'Reilly is more intelligent than Wilders and this says a lot about this sonofabitch. zezt you seriously offended the muslems. Go to hell. Sad you're sitting safely behind your screen :evil:

Oh restin, that is hate talk for sure. What do you mean: YOU want to do something evil to me? Or you would like to see fundamentalist Islamicists do evil things to me? Or both?

How do you know I seriously offended the muslims? Are you a Muslim?

And didn't you hear O'really AGREE with Wilders that he should have been let in the UK?

You are just revealing dude, with your threatening manner, what me and CM and one or two others in this thread are warning about!
 
thank God we have you. I would gladly disappear from this threat but I think we learned from 1932 not to ignore a very special breed of people. I don't want you "evil". I hope that when you stand before the face of justice, the true mirror, you will see who you are. Stop playing word games, if you want to burn muslems, then go. Stop spreading shit. I didn't say they disagreed. I didn't say one is a lesser asshole. You don't get it do you? You think you are playing chess, you, CM and "some others" against the stupid mob that just seems not to want to understand the Truth. How sad.
 
Guy your a total prick . Throughout the whole thread all youve done is spread predjudice , rasism , hate and agression . You have never made any positive contribution to this site . The only reason why you can get away with what you say is because your hideing behind your computer , if you talked the way you do in public someone would do the right thing and do it very fast . I think you should be parachuted into a muslim country without any money and have to fend for yourself .
 
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Forkbender a dit:
I think the majority of muslims coexist peacefully with everyone even if they don't agree with their way of life (critique can go both ways as well) and I remember from reading the Quran that there are a lot of passages saying that you should not enforce your belief system on others, but just tell them 'the Truth'.
I really can't tell if it's a majority or not, but I do know there are and have been many muslims (individuals and groups) living in peace with people of other persuasions. Just like nowadays, past wars were mostly initiated by power hungry rulers, whose quest for territory and resources is insatiable. So I'm optimistic in that regard, especially when taking the forces of modernization into account: children of muslims living in the West will be exposed to modern languages and concepts, as well as modern (erotic) art and (psychedelic) literature and music. Even if the first generation doesn't get it, it's likely future generations will. My hope is that these new generations will become more and more 'moderate'. I also hope there will be peace and then prosperity in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, so that radical viewpoints become obsolete.

What we can do, is start translating psychedelic literature, websites and videos into Arab and other non-European languages. If I could make a living with such a project, I'd start right away, or engage some of my unemployed friends.

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zezt a dit:
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Forkbender a dit:
I think the majority of muslims coexist peacefully with everyone even if they don't agree with their way of life (critique can go both ways as well) and I remember from reading the Quran that there are a lot of passages saying that you should not enforce your belief system on others, but just tell them 'the Truth'.
I really can't tell if it's a majority or not, but I do know there are and have been many muslims (individuals and groups) living in peace with people of other persuasions. Just like nowadays, past wars were mostly initiated by power hungry rulers, whose quest for territory and resources is insatiable. So I'm optimistic in that regard, especially when taking the forces of modernization into account: children of muslims living in the West will be exposed to modern languages and concepts, as well as modern (erotic) art and (psychedelic) literature and music. Even if the first generation doesn't get it, it's likely future generations will. My hope is that these new generations will become more and more 'moderate'. I also hope there will be peace and then prosperity in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, so that radical viewpoints become obsolete.

What we can do, is start translating psychedelic literature, websites and videos into Arab and other non-European languages. If I could make a living with such a project, I'd start right away, or engage some of my unemployed friends.

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It's funny that the only response I got to that post was in reference to the first half of the first sentence.
 
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
zezt a dit:
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Forkbender a dit:
I think the majority of muslims coexist peacefully with everyone even if they don't agree with their way of life (critique can go both ways as well) and I remember from reading the Quran that there are a lot of passages saying that you should not enforce your belief system on others, but just tell them 'the Truth'.
I really can't tell if it's a majority or not, but I do know there are and have been many muslims (individuals and groups) living in peace with people of other persuasions. Just like nowadays, past wars were mostly initiated by power hungry rulers, whose quest for territory and resources is insatiable. So I'm optimistic in that regard, especially when taking the forces of modernization into account: children of muslims living in the West will be exposed to modern languages and concepts, as well as modern (erotic) art and (psychedelic) literature and music. Even if the first generation doesn't get it, it's likely future generations will. My hope is that these new generations will become more and more 'moderate'. I also hope there will be peace and then prosperity in the Middle-East, Africa and Asia, so that radical viewpoints become obsolete.

What we can do, is start translating psychedelic literature, websites and videos into Arab and other non-European languages. If I could make a living with such a project, I'd start right away, or engage some of my unemployed friends.

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It's funny that the only response I got to that post was in reference to the first half of the first sentence.[/quote:izqbgfry]

So can you simply use google translate from english to arabic to create understandable flow of communication for someone reading in arabic? Ie., the order of how it translates?

I may check it on one of the ex muslims I have contacted, but I wonder if you know CM. Do you know what I said in Arabic? :)
 
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Ten million out of two billion is not a majority. In muslim countries Christians are not allowed to build a church, so there's no co-existing there. The only muslims that are put to the test of co-existence are those living in the West, and they are not the majority of muslims.

Quite the opposite. Muslims in originally islamic countries are usually less extreme than those who live in the west, because the latter hold on to their ancestor's culture. The work of Olivier Roy and Tariq Ramadan are interesting in this respect.

You already pointed to the fact that it is allowed to build churches in islamic countries. Islam has a long tradition of letting other faiths exist within their own community, something that only started to emerge in the west in the 16th century (at the earliest). There are also examples of zoroastrians, hindus and jews living peacefully within islamic countries.
 
zezt a dit:
I may check it on one of the ex muslims I have contacted, but I wonder if you know CM. Do you know what I said in Arabic? :)
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