Danger of Islam!

[Forkbender]

That ebook doesn't prove anything

I never said it did. I just pointed out there are multiple ways to interpret the Qu'ran.

 

[misfit]

Great song Forkbender :thumbsup:

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

If people had seen things like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Dzdc1H ... re=related

They wouldn't even be thinking the first place to act with peaceful manifestation is religion. Religion is just one manifestation of industrial interests.

Quebecs bank of investment just got caught loosing 40 BILLION (out of 155 billion) dollars in very very bad investments that could have been easily prevented. The prime minister wants to fire 2 thirds of the bank presidents.

The US kills iraquis and other people in the name of GOD and it's ok ?!... there is no www.GOD-watch.org ...

Especially with a guy of one of the richest and most powerful families ever known, the Kahns. I mean : "Earth calls the moon , do you copy ?"

I also think their book is a book of peace and grace. There are passages that mention violence but it's all very figurative in context, you really have to manipulate to hear it otherwise.

In the bible the first commandement is thou shalt not kill. This is pretty straightforward, you don't kill ; period.

Yet they kill, and not only animals, but humans too. Did Abraham himself understand the word of "god" ? Or did he interpret too ?

There are passages of people killing egyptians and non beleivers , woman children and all...

And don't dig out that bullshit that vegetarians also kill plants to me... PLEASE DON'T DO THAT !!!

Happily we got sites like this popping up recently, and they're totally justified and truthful :

http://thinkfree.ca/

 

[Forkbender]

Happily we got sites like this popping up recently, and they're totally justified and truthful :

http://thinkfree.ca/

Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Do you know if there is an international version of it, i.e. applicable to different law systems around the world?

 

[Rymmen]

I beleive in nothing.

What you see is the nature of karma at play ; here is a people that robbed the less advanced cultures for ages, cast spells on them, and now they're trying to deflect that karma upon the people that choose to innocently inhabit the region.

Cracks in the earth open up the matrix, strict ethical code is necessary to remain true to ones origins.

Blue goes north, red goes south, white remains and pillages remains of an illusory empire.

All round and round.

When you will understand how history was manipulated, you will understand why this whole region is a holographic family, not a physical location.

Are you there ? Did you ever feel the wrath of one of their woman ? They're hardly repressed, even if they look like it on the surface. But I don't expect you to understand.

Currently living in Turkey, probably the most liberal muslim country. Here, people will murder their daughters if they are raped or otherwise taint their family's honor. Not everyone, of course. But enough for it to be disturbingly common.

That doesn't sound very liberal ? What do you think?

It's mostly only common in villages.

I think that we should slaughter religious peoples.

But I guess that would be lowering myself to their level.

Seriously, though... I hold quite a lot of disdain for people use their religion to justify oppression and otherwise hateful actions. But banning a religion is like burning a house to kill a burglar.

I tend to believe that as the West did in general, Islam, including muslims migrating into the West, will undergo social evolution, allowing greater cultural liberalism.

I really have no idea how it's going to go. It may be a good idea to be intolerant towards intolerance.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

The magna carta should apply to all european countries as of now ?

You can start by watching the bursting bubbles video, it gives pretty much the basics, they're still working on the forms however... basically what is he saying is, you got to find what the words they use really mean. Often you'll end up in a favorable position because you have rights, because of your name they can borrow from the IRS, so we are all governement employees if we have a ALL CAPS (person) names registered in a governement.

It's kind of complex however, not everyone might be able to follow...

 

[Forkbender]

^I know. I watched, and actually recommended the vids on this site a few months back. Dutch law is different from English/Roman law. I tried searching for the parallells, but there were too many differences.

I'll go check on the magna carta thing.

 

[zezt]

I beleive in nothing.

What you see is the nature of karma at play ; here is a people that robbed the less advanced cultures for ages, cast spells on them, and now they're trying to deflect that karma upon the people that choose to innocently inhabit the region.

Cracks in the earth open up the matrix, strict ethical code is necessary to remain true to ones origins.

Blue goes north, red goes south, white remains and pillages remains of an illusory empire.

All round and round.

When you will understand how history was manipulated, you will understand why this whole region is a holographic family, not a physical location.

Are you there ? Did you ever feel the wrath of one of their woman ? They're hardly repressed, even if they look like it on the surface. But I don't expect you to understand.

Currently living in Turkey, probably the most liberal muslim country. Here, people will murder their daughters if they are raped or otherwise taint their family's honor. Not everyone, of course. But enough for it to be disturbingly common.

That doesn't sound very liberal ? What do you think?

It's mostly only common in villages.

I think that we should slaughter religious peoples.

But I guess that would be lowering myself to their level.

Seriously, though... I hold quite a lot of disdain for people use their religion to justify oppression and otherwise hateful actions. But banning a religion is like burning a house to kill a burglar.

I tend to believe that as the West did in general, Islam, including muslims migrating into the West, will undergo social evolution, allowing greater cultural liberalism.

I really have no idea how it's going to go. It may be a good idea to be intolerant towards intolerance.

I am very curious, Rymmen, whatr is it like their in Turkey regarding knowledge and use of psychedelics amongst the people, especially Muslims in general?
I ask this, because I think the core of our problems in the world is exactly the long long prohibition of psychedelics and potential experience for loosening the bonds of rigid belief structures. And that the latter is precisely why they are prohibited by all the major religions, and even secular culture. So I'd be really interested to know what it is like there.

I agree with you we cannot ban religion, and I am against banning anything as such because it seems to make it worse. It is better to understand the reasons for whatever problems things that seem to need banning deeply are. WHY they ARE problematic. To see whole picture.

It is interesting you think that with migrations of Muslims to the west that this may have a similar effect as did our western religious experience when faced with broader perspectives. But I have to say it seems to contradict other theories I've put out in this thread which claim that the radicals of the religion will 'pretend' to be 'soft' UNTIL there are sufficient numbers of Muslims and then the 'plan to action' is takeover, more and more threats of violence, and actual violence, and implementation of Shariah Law, etc.

And you also say you dont know how its going to go, and that we should be intolerant of intolerance? I agree with that very much. rather than being in denial and pretending intolerance isn't there. To say we do not want ill treatment to others, etc.

I found this site yesterday which looks promising: http://www.reformislam.org/ http://www.reformislam.org/

"OUR GOALS

* to educate Muslims about dangers presented by Islamic religious texts and why Islam must be reformed
* to educate non-Muslims about the differences between moderate Muslims and Islamists (a.k.a. Islamic Religious Fanatics, Radical Muslims, Muslim Fundamentalists, Islamic Extremists or Islamofascists)
* to educate both Muslims and non-Muslims alike that Moderate Muslims are also targets of Islamic Terror"

I sent off info to Islam-Watch for their thoughts, and received this reply:

"These people at reformislam.com seem to me to be some enlightened Muslims, who agree with everything we charge Islam with at islam-watch.org. They only vindicate our judgement on Islam, which, indeed, would become crystal-clear to any sane-minded person as soon as he/she reads the classical Islamic texts.

In reality, these people are no different from us. In classical Islamic sense, they are apostates. But they seem to have taken the tack of modernising Islam, staying with its fold. Best of luck to them, if they succeed. First and foremost, we want to see the end of human sufferings resulting from Islam.

Our ultimate aim though is to discredit this cult for what it is. Humanity has suffered heavily because of it; it does not deserve any place in our society. We will stay on the tack."

MA Khan

 

[restin]

Religion is just one manifestation of industrial interests.

So you don't believe in true religion?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I beleive in nothing...

and if I beleived in something it would be that zezt words are full of fear and hate, with not much original content, we've all discussed this already.

But that would be a dead truth since he might yet be extraordinary !

Dream with magnitude !

 

[zezt]

I beleive in nothing...

and if I beleived in something it would be that zezt words are full of fear and hate, with not much original content, we've all discussed this already.

But that would be a dead truth since he might yet be extraordinary !

Dream with magnitude !

although your entitled to your FREE opinion, and I wont come and kill you because you insult me, I have to say that you are totally blind if you think that. You have no understanding. Which is a shame considering you must be familiar with psychedelics.
For IF you think it is 'fear and hate' to speak up for people who are females and gays and other people oppressed then you are one sick puppy aren't ya?

And I notice you dont accuse the moderator CM the way you do me--as he out of most of the people in this thread shares where i was coming from-- which also shows me a gutlessness about you as well.

 

[zezt]

Here are two interesting videos. First one really takes piss out of Muslim religion and the fear of making fun of it

And the second one is interesting because it show how I felt not that long ago. Ie., notice how they seem to condemen everyone BUT Islamic religion? As though they ideintify with an image of the 'underdog'--ALSO be very aware that many of hese 'famous, at least--hip hop and rap artists themselves are as misogynist and homophobic as Muslim Sharia Law is!

What makes the Muslims outraged?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg7QJKEy ... annel_page

Immortal Technique - Bin laden Lyrics

Ps--this is not to say that most of what they say may not be right, but THAT thety seem to ignore what Islam is all about. Which I have encouraged the exploration of in this thread

 

[restin]

I beleive in nothing...

that's not an answer. Do you think that there is no truly religious person?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Oh no in my experience I met many, and I can smell them very well... but it's not the religion that makes them great men, prophets and sages it's the peace in their hearts. These are all people I met that say : "god, allah, krishna, etc... they're all up to the same thing, people just fracture them into smaller things they don't understand, to replace one big thing they don't understand"

Yet they will say they are Muslim, or Catholic, or whatever... just because they were raised this way. Yet it is what, 1% of the people in a religion ?

Perhaps less ? And most of them that look that "clean" are beligerent in the dreamtime ? Yet I can smell that in someone too, for some peculiar reason.

Encouraged exploration... *rofl* dude... are you for real ?

I'll let your play with your ABC cubes bro ; even if I think it's not your age, you're slipped the word FREE, I DO NOT AGREE.

You can eat my shit, it will make you smell better *shudders*. And yes I am very sick, thanks for being a totally ignorant asshole about your own community ! How ironic...

How's that for guts... troll...

Contrary to you CM actually said something that caused me to read parts of the Quran... and lo and behold everything was confirmed of what I tought and your threads root was cut from the very beginning, you're floating in space now ; hope you're used to it, you can't say I haven't warned you !

 

[zezt]

Oh no in my experience I met many, and I can smell them very well... but it's not the religion that makes them great men, prophets and sages it's the peace in their hearts. These are all people I met that say : "god, allah, krishna, etc... they're all up to the same thing, people just fracture them into smaller things they don't understand, to replace one big thing they don't understand"

Yet they will say they are Muslim, or Catholic, or whatever... just because they were raised this way. Yet it is what, 1% of the people in a religion ?

Perhaps less ? And most of them that look that "clean" are beligerent in the dreamtime ? Yet I can smell that in someone too, for some peculiar reason.

Encouraged exploration... *rofl* dude... are you for real ?

I'll let your play with your ABC cubes bro ; even if I think it's not your age, you're slipped the word FREE, I DO NOT AGREE.

You can eat my shit, it will make you smell better *shudders*. And yes I am very sick, thanks for being a totally ignorant asshole about your own community ! How ironic...

How's that for guts... troll...

Contrary to you CM actually said something that caused me to read parts of the Quran... and lo and behold everything was confirmed of what I tought and your threads root was cut from the very beginning, you're floating in space now ; hope you're used to it, you can't say I haven't warned you !

to be quite honest (and i dont want this thread to degrade into a flame war) from the first you SOUND like you've done too many drugs. I can hardly make sense of you. Maybe it is your lack of grasp of English I dont know.

Hey question: IF you shudder, and dont like this thread because of 'fear and hate' why do you keep coming back? And why are YOU so full of fear and hate? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

 

[restin]

Oh no in my experience I met many, and I can smell them very well... but it's not the religion that makes them great men, prophets and sages it's the peace in their hearts. These are all people I met that say : "god, allah, krishna, etc... they're all up to the same thing, people just fracture them into smaller things they don't understand, to replace one big thing they don't understand"

Yet they will say they are Muslim, or Catholic, or whatever... just because they were raised this way. Yet it is what, 1% of the people in a religion ?

I see...yes...

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

No it's not a contradiction... I have sane fears and sane hate. I hate concepts, not people ; I fear synchronicity and the might of GOD, not people.

My english is how I want it to be thank you, I would even say my vocabulary is rich and my syntax original.

You come here saying the answer might be in the psychedelics, yet you despise probably the one psychonaut in here that has never been biased, and that did doses and mixes beyond something most people here would ever consider. I never abused the good ones however, like speed, MDMA, LSD... I left those to small doses as they should be... but Amanita, Datura, Salvia... most people wouldn't ever attempt what I did. I was a bit crazy yes, but I was in love...

Talk about contradiction...

 

[zezt]

No it's not a contradiction... I have sane fears and sane hate. I hate concepts, not people ; I fear synchronicity and the might of GOD, not people.

My english is how I want it to be thank you, I would even say my vocabulary is rich and my syntax original.

You come here saying the answer might be in the psychedelics, yet you despise probably the one psychonaut in here that has never been biased, and that did doses and mixes beyond something most people here would ever consider. I never abused the good ones however, like speed, MDMA, LSD... I left those to small doses as they should be... but Amanita, Datura, Salvia... most people wouldn't ever attempt what I did. I was a bit crazy yes, but I was in love...

Talk about contradiction...

Who have I said I 'despise'?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

to be quite honest (and i dont want this thread to degrade into a flame war) from the first you SOUND like you've done too many drugs.

Does not it SOUND to you like THAT ?

To regard with contempt or scorn: despised all cowards and flatterers.
To dislike intensely; loathe: despised the frigid weather in January.
To regard as unworthy of one's interest or concern: despised any thought of their own safety.

To regard as unworthy of one's interest or concern... you did too many drugs so you're delusional.

Wanna fight ?

 

[zezt]

No, What I want to do, and what I am going to do, is not allow the disrailing of this thread anymore and try and keep it on the main theme which is about 'Danger of Islam!'
If you want to discuss THAT then I will discuss it, anything else then I have to ignore you or it becomes something else