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CaduceusMercurius a dit:
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well i really don't know, i'm not sure what events you're concretely referring to. but you are able to make new sections, are you not?
Yes, I am, and we can certainly discuss it again. All in good time though. Do you think any of us 'loonys' are currently interested in posting our 'mentally confused crap' in that section? Think about that please.

I don't understand, people who see it that way are people who don't believe and don't respect this kind of things, if you do, what's the problem with having a section for this kind of stuff and posting in it ?

It's just like saying "Oh, I don't wanna post in the "Metal" forum, because people said it was shit music, so I don't wanna look like to be dumb".
 
Do you guys have any creative ideas for such a forum, like a fitting name and description? In what way would it be different from forum sections like Lounge and General Psychonautics?
 
"Esoterism" would be good. I know you don't judge the term to be exact, but that's as close as you can get I think.
 
Listen CM, this is the last post of me here.

The question is not about alternative science, astrology or anything similar.

So I will present my case.

The user Ahuaeynjxs was multiply asked to change his communicative behaviour. He was not straight, didn't answer questions, at least not in an understandable way. He made fun, spammed by posting completely offtopic posts multiple times in a row. He didn't follow given concensusses about stating and proving. These concencuses do not exclude any kind of alternative sciences but they do clearly state, that answers must be based on reason and logic. If you, CM, say, that X happens because of Saturn and explain this, we accept it, because we understand that this is logic in the Area of Astrology. These are the rules that count there. There are various sources that underline this statement. On the other hand, random and noncontextual statements, taken from one homepage, being sold as THE truth are not valid. This is not my opinion but the opinion of the majority if these forums. The answers given by the users were mostly, that they stopped reading the posts of given User, which indicates that they didn't take them as valid. And even after various members left and the forum became inactive, given User didn't stop laughing sarcastically at the users because he is sure that he wouldn't get banned, as you, CM, are the only one in this position.

Evidence for obviously sarcastic and ironic posts:

Hahaha, you guys talk about psycho-games...

Well thanks for the laugh ! The situation is hilarious.

How would you choose such an "emmisary of power" ? A Bear

Democracy ? Laughing
Hardly involved in decision making here, I am not in any way. Why would you give me that kind of power ?

Or do you acknowledge that I have this power ?

hmm, thats very interesting Laughing

Amanita is the root of ascension. Now ascension is a conscious choice. YOU make the decision, hence, 0 politics.

If CM was me... he would be heck of a fast writter, LOL, we're both the most active posters on the site as of late.

I therefore ask you, as a member of psychonaut.com, a person that wants respect and gives respect, that wants sane communication amongst the members, that wants that the users react to feedback from the community, that wants the community to be friendly and active, to ban the given User. I understand that he is a psychonaut and a person, a person with problems and illnesses, a human being in the end but if he is unwilling to react to feedback from the community, to change in favor for the community, I am not willing to accept this person as a member of this community.

All these points were already mentioned from various users. It is not my opinion. If you deny the statements that I did, you are denying facts.

I understand that you, CM, don't like to use your power as a moderator. You are not the Gestapo. But sometimes, decision need to be made in favor for the community. You must realize, we are not better than apes, oh, we are not better than dogs, even wolves are more loyal. That's why we need rules. Decisions. Against a human being, I know. You can share e-mails, you can continue talking, this is your personal thing. This here is not a personal thing.

Please do something. Don't you see? There are two active threads - one being blocked by you and the other already praising anarchy and revolution (which is actually as childish as this). This is no working community.

I am sorry, Ahuaeynjxs.

I personally am against splitting the forum into *loonys* and *normalos* *them* and *us*. It worked until now.
 
yeah, or simply Esoterica.

http://www.tfd.com/esoteric a dit:
es·o·ter·ic (s-trk)
adj.

1.
a. Intended for or understood by only a particular group: an esoteric cult. See Synonyms at mysterious.
b. Of or relating to that which is known by a restricted number of people.
2.
a. Confined to a small group: esoteric interests.
b. Not publicly disclosed; confidential.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism

i find it fitting.
 
Anyway, the idea is to have a section for this kind of stuff, who cares about the name ? That's nitpicking.
 
I understand that he is a psychonaut and a person, a person with problems and illnesses, a human being in the end but if he is unwilling to react to feedback from the community, to change in favor for the community, I am not willing to accept this person as a member of this community.

See that's just it. CM, you are a rational human being. I could care less how you feel about "esoteric" topics. I dabble with esotericism myself, as do many here. But you don't go off in every single post spamming your belief system on others as if it were unquestionable truth. And when you do share your beliefs, it's not to preach, it's to communicate.

If I was a fundie Christian and I came here and used every post to talk about the Lord Jesus no matter how off topic it was, the forum would be up in arms in no time, tell me to take my delusions elsewhere, and rightfully so. Even worse, the person in question is incapable of self-doubt, has a messiah complex and massive delusions of grandeur, and is openly recruiting. He actually needs help! What if he seriously fucks himself or others up at some point? Belief should be a tool, not an end in itself!
 
st.bot.32 a dit:
I understand that he is a psychonaut and a person, a person with problems and illnesses, a human being in the end but if he is unwilling to react to feedback from the community, to change in favor for the community, I am not willing to accept this person as a member of this community.

See that's just it. CM, you are a rational human being. I could care less how you feel about "esoteric" topics. I dabble with esotericism myself, as do many here. But you don't go off in every single post spamming your belief system on others as if it were unquestionable truth. And when you do share your beliefs, it's not to preach, it's to communicate.

If I was a fundie Christian and I came here and used every post to talk about the Lord Jesus no matter how off topic it was, the forum would be up in arms in no time, tell me to take my delusions elsewhere, and rightfully so. Even worse, the person in question is incapable of self-doubt, has a messiah complex and massive delusions of grandeur, and is openly recruiting. He actually needs help! What if he seriously fucks himself or others up at some point? Belief should be a tool, not an end in itself!

Golden post
 
restin a dit:
There are two active threads - one being blocked by you
I didn't block any threads.

The user Ahuaeynjxs was multiply asked to change his communicative behaviour. He was not straight, didn't answer questions, at least not in an understandable way.
By that token, I must also delete at least one other member, that surprisingly none of you are concerned about. From my perspective given User is communicating quite coherently.

He made fun, spammed by posting completely offtopic posts multiple times in a row.
This is a very weak argument, because many members make fun of others, and given User is generally on topic, though it often takes more than a superficial reading to understand.

That's why we need rules. Decisions.
There are no rules against the things you accuse given User of. His jokes do not contain foul language or anything of that nature. His posts aren't purposefully inflammatory. His posts are just as challenging and sarcastic as those written by other members.
 
Since the site administrator is unresponsive to the concerns of various members, and is unwilling to moderate OUTSIDE OF HIS PERSPECTIVE, the only real recourse any members here have to further their aims and preserve peace of mind is to just boycott threads where certain disagreeable types do what they do.

CM, you are really perspective-bound, and are ignoring the complaints of virtually the whole community on the basis of this person sharing somewhat the same outlook on certain matters as yourself.....but the complaints *aren't* about WHAT he's talking about, they're about the WAY HE IS TALKING ABOUT IT.


This is so simple to see, why do you miss it?

I will contribute to the overall peace and quiet by steering clear of topics where the quasi-mystical religio-spam is advocated by a certain individual.

I would advise this individual to grant me the same leeway.

peace
 
Ahuaeynjxs, I'm afraid you won't have the opportunity to finish your story here. I'm about to abandon the ship.
 
-restin& st.bot.32 : You two have really put in words how i feel about it now! Thank you!

-I don't see a single regret from Ahua's side. I don't see the smallest effort to adapt his communication a little more. Please show me if he did.

-CM:I understand this is absolutely not a simple situation for you, and i don't judge you so far. I just think your task as administrator, or just as a member of the psychonaut community is to make Ahua clear that he has to stop flaming,upsetting people, or else he has to be banned. Of course i would rather see him just adapt, but if he really doesn't wants to listen,there seems no other way... I'm sorry..
Give him a chance. If he breaks it again it's not a matter of popular vote or senior's opinion anymore. Than it becomes a matter of saving the dignity&value of this community.

If he keeps on thinking all his idea's can't be really questioned, discussed or proven wrong by "unknowing others" ,he better starts his own website...
Open-mindness should be a key ingrediënt in this community, but he shows none. He doesn't wants to open his mind to the fact that even he may be wrong, or that it's no good to keep on forcing his opinion on the ones who stated clearly not being interested.

If he doesn't make his mind up it would be good you told him to do so, or else please choose for the good of the community which is obviously suffering by his behaviour.

Please note i'm not telling him to shut up, he just has to keep in mind the feelings&opinions of his fellow psychonauts or else he better leaves.

-Ahua: I would like you to answer this question so i can make up my mind about you. Are you willing to make a drastic&positive change in the way you interact with others on the forum? Yes or No...?


-And last but not least : :heart: :mrgreen:
 
this forum is an incredibly valuable resource on psychedelics, and it would be a shame to see it go to ruin.. too many people have chosen to leave over this, any one of which would have been a loss by themselves

+1 to all of what spice said.
 
In fact, I feel that lots of people here feels that a ban is something as bad as capital punishment.

When you come from forums where people gets banned all the time because they've simply been acting stupid on a thread or made a displaced remark, that's quite a shock.

Otherwise, if GOD left because of Aya and CM's passiveness towards him, well this forum has already lost some interest.
 
Sure am. But yet all I receive is flames ; noone is challenging anything I say, and flames feed me, they are not even slightly hot to my touch. If you want me to modify my communications, do tell me how, and stop repeating yourselves about how wrong it is, thats not service. We know many of you think it's bad, but noone could pinpoint how exactly yet. My choice of words ? my pace ?

To be very clear I did not laugh at anyone, I simply did laugh at the situation that is contradictory very often.

I am very honest about that, I did not one single time laugh at anyone.

And maybe irony, yes, but not sarcasm, ever. This is impossible coming from me.

It is clearly the will of many members to censor me and I'm used to this, people always massacre my name as well, this is all known terrain to me.

I know of as many members "against" me than "for" me ; they have also expressed their opinions that I was a beneficial element on this forum, you are obviously ignoring them, while you should be ignoring me.

CM : If you finally decide to abandon this ship I know of many others, don't feel sorry for me, if I get banned then life goes on, we are not the ones loosing anything.
 
I would challenge what you say if I had the time for it and knew where to begin.
You think you are a "starseed" from another universe. Get help.

Seriously
 
Still looping. I don't beleive in anything I say, it is my living truth.

Find your own ; unseriously !
 
GET HELP

edit: last bit of my input here.
 
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