One flew over the psychonauts nest ?

[GOD]

Ah !!! Esoteric dog shit again . Thanks people . Sorry it took so long to reply most of my chakras are in the washing machine and the others are hanging on the line drying .

 

[Brugmansia]

Actually God, I just used that phrase to make a few things clear. But I could have used 'transparant eyes', 'a psychedelic vision/mind' as well, whatever you want to call it. I just meant the mental development which manifests itself with the use of entheogens for about years or longer.

Myself I'm in no way a believer nor a promoter for spiritual life aspects. Or a fighter to gain certain changes in the world. Just witness everything objective and remain with a balanced and rational mind is what I personally prefer.

 

[GOD]

Wasnt ment personaly , i just wanted to make sure we all understood about third eyes . As an expression i think its OK to describe something but i think we need to know that and not that anyone adds third eyes to the chakras / st.germain/holy violet fire/spirit valley/2012 loony bullshit list......

 

[st.bot.32]

Sounds like it is very related to the kinds of hypnagogic imagery you can see during trance/threshold wakeness.

I used to get good CEV and kind of neat thought patterns in this state all the time, waaaay before I ever took psychedelics.

 

[braha_kahn]

Ah !!! Esoteric dog shit again . Thanks people . Sorry it took so long to reply most of my chakras are in the washing machine and the others are hanging on the line drying .

:lol: :lol:

 

[Malaeus]

why do you hold a name such as "god" and yet seem like you do not want anyone to believe in any of this? you keep pushing that its all bullshit, doesnt sound like a psychonaut to me. what is your big issue with magick, alchemy, etc etc.
there is nothing to prove that it never existed, as a matter of fact it has been recorded that magick has been used by every culture on the planet.
personally it feels that you are too enveloped in your own beliefs to even consider someone elses whether you believe in theirs or not. very similar situation with the muslims, jews, and christians. they all worship the same god, but they are too stuck in their ways to accept that maybe... possibly they are all right! sure, so some big cosmic being created us all? well you all say the same thing.

i believe in the existance of magick, alchemy, and the power of imagination and will. third eyes chakras, channelling (in select circumstances), and a higher being.
new dimensions open themselves to us as we open our eyes to them. we choose not to see them yet they are always there out of the corner of our eye, however its simply that we do not believe in it that we can not see it. maybe all of "gods miracles" were just some simple organic transmutations. its all hydrocarbons, why not just shift a few hydrogens and oxygens around, add some nitrogen and some carbon and create wine from water.

if you choose not to believe in the existance of these things, i respect that as your personal choice. however dont immediately bash everything else, and try to make it seem like its all bullshit.

i dont need to argue this point for i had won many thousands of years ago.

"and ye harm none, do what ye will."

 

[GOD]

Well at least you answered in the right thread ............

 

[restin]

But the third eye has,like everything a double meaning.

It can express the inner eye (art etc.)

Or just an opening of the soul (metaphorically). Like a kind of insight. Maybe a vision of beauty (fuck,sounds quite esoteric).

Am I right?

 

[Malaeus]

meh.

 

[GOD]

Yes restin you are .

"meh" .

Isnt that what sheep say ?

 

[druglessdouglas]

does infecting your computer with virus help it run?

 

[GOD]

Nope , but it gives it and you something to do and if one learns from it one learns not to be naive and takes care not to get one again ?

 

[mysticwarrior]

Today i spoke to someone i know, who is in fact mentally ill. On the moment i spoke to him he was very negative and there was really nothing i could say to help him and i think he would not wanted any help. He talked about personal stuff where he has been going trough, and of course i recognized his problems, because i also been trough a lot of problems. But this guy always seem to have bigger problems then i have. He has always bigger problems that everyone else has. He always feels his self worser then anyone else etc etc

The feeling that i get from this kind off people are, that they just are addicted at feeling there self negative. It's like there getting high on it. Maybe this is why many of this mentally ill people using psychedelics, because this give them even MORE INTENSE NEGATIVE feelings to handle. This mental ill people where i am talking about are always bending things in such a way that everything gets as negative as possible. And because there so addicted at feeling negative, they finally have a problem with interpreting the world in such a way, that it also can have a positive side.

Think about it.

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[BrainEater]

believe whatever you want to believe, but don't tell others to "want" to believe what you believe... it is nicer to give them the choice of what they want to believe... except of course you need the others to believe what you believe and therefore making them want to believe it, makes the whole process of them believing it easier. or maybe you don't need them to believe it, but you want them to believe it, which of course would make it a whole different situation.


projecting oneself into another person (=empathy) is a big influence in the process of belief and "make-belief" or "take-belief" and involves the reaction of oneself towards the other person and the further projections in the future of how to react or to act.


the borderline in this is of course one's own beliefs and the beliefs of the other, which are in most cases not equal, yet quite probably "coherent in their integrity".


peace :weedman:

 

[Sticki]

I've heard the Pineal Gland refferd to as the 3rd eye or the seat of the soul....

 

[druglessdouglas]

in our distant reptilian ancestry the pineal gland was an eye of sorts though. it is still light sensitive in birds and some reptiles where the skull is thin enough and acts as a calendar regulating breeding cycles etc. it has a lot in common with the eye

 

[tryptonaut]

I think a lot of people are having serious mental problems (depression etc.) but here at the psychonaut forum we talk about stuff like that. We are people who are interested in the human psyche and who watch ourselves and others closely. That's the reason I think it seems like almost everybody here has "mental problems".

When I'm on another forum dealing with videography, I don't talk about being depressed - I exchange information about lighting and camera chip sizes. So on this other forum, noone is having any problems at all

It may be true that people with slight chemical imbalances in their brains tend to use drugs more often than those who don't have these imbalances - trying to make yourself better through self medication, it's just human!
But then again, I often realize that some people are having serious issues with their minds, but they don't realize it at all. This is much worse than the people on this forum who can spot a slight depression right on and take measures.

Just because I was having a depressive phase in my life and because I still have to watch out not to go there again doesn't mean I am somehow unqualified to be a psychonaut, or unqualified to do certain things. I know for sure that most of my colleagues like to work with me because I'm rational, I can stay calm in any situation and I'm always friendly (I've actually been told so). Analyzing my (sometimes troubled) psyche in a psychonaut forum is another thing!

 

[druglessdouglas]

i agree entirely Tryptonaut. i too have suffered from depression and even full psychosis in the past. it may occur again in the future. its through psychedelics and other mind altering practices ive learned to look at my mind objectively and recognize what is going on in my mind.

there have been occasions where ive reached a psychic "crossroads" where ive had to leave a particular avenue of thought and rethink the whole thing.

for most people a break - a good long rest - is all that is needed when you find yourself obsessing or getting caught in a loop of thought that isnt going to take you anywhere usefull.

i dont think there is any reason why people with mental problems should not take psychedelics AS LONG AS THEY ARE AWARE OF HOW IT EFFECTS THEM and those effects are positive. if however you find your mind running out of control like a runaway train they are not for you.

not everyone makes it out of the "Chapel Perilous" in one piece. many of my good friends are casualties sometimes spending 1/3-1/4 of every year in hospital and socially disabled, though i would never abandon them others have.

its this tendency to "push" the mind because you feel you are on the brink of a great discovery (ive been there) that tires you out. a tired brain takes a long time to recover

i hope im making sense. my brain is very tired just now because ive been doing a lot[heroic! lol] of mushrooms (not once was i sick or did i shit myself BTW)

 

[GOD]

Good post . Well said .

" ive learned to look at my mind objectively and recognize what is going on in my mind. "

I think that thats a big part of being a psychonaut . One has to be aware of what and why the things that happen in your head happen and learn to controll your mind and not let it fuck you .

 

[Brugmansia]

i hope im making sense. my brain is very tired just now because ive been doing a lot[heroic! lol] of mushrooms (not once was i sick or did i shit myself BTW)

I feel you, I'm by far not ready again to undergo psilocybe at the maximum level.

Once your brains can't process any constructed information anymore for a signal to act or move in the way you want, you know you're devastated. There's no shape, form, or solid consciousness in which you can identify yourself. Seems that every wave that flows beyond, is alien or someone else.

Such a very strong discomfort and the best part of the experience is the next day when your consciousness is regained to a solid structure with a self purpose in which you can recognise yourself. And the possibility to choose course.

Taken this into consideration, I may have only had one true mushrooms trip which may be marked as a transformation. Hence the piss on my floor which I launched when I was lying sidways on my bed. Couldn't build a structure for a choosed motoric movement, let alone get up to judge my environment.

Makes you wonder how clinically LSD actually feels compared to a full dose of shrooms; that, and the portions in smartshops that are actually producing threshold experiences.

After the devastation, the re-gaining of my individual consciousness felt like from being no one in a liquid bath, to getting in a shape with minor self recognition, followed by releasing I'm placed in an interior and psychical presence with impulses connected and responding with my consciousness.

I wonder or we humans went the same way to come to our basic sober existance with an own will. I gave up trying to find an answer actually... as this has thrown me into a mental twinst.

Liquid world - Solid world, I always considered that as the path which I went to come to a stable solid consciousness that's me. From there on it looks a game, a game that no one can win but only throws us back into the liquid bath we were once made from.

I do believe that if we would and could all witness for ourselve how, and where we were individually created from, a lot of the negative energy which we carry on our shoulders and project to each other will be dissoluted.

What enlighted me the most in preventing from getting depressed is that I ain't do attempts to fit within the pressure circle of the society, or what I'd call a game in which we reflect. I'll merely participate, but draw my own lines to make me feel I'm worth enough to live with pleasure and satisfaction.