One flew over the psychonauts nest ?

[magickmumu]

the fact that it´s about ideas is what bothers me.
They believe in new age and channelling the arch angle so they are mentally unstable.

 

[Malaeus]

yes, ADD most of the time is not well controlled in individuals. and that is what ADD has been recognized as, however if one uses naturally occuring substances along with meditation they can learn to control that, and be able to hold many many many thoughts at once. the meds 90% of the time dont do anything but make things worse, or you become dependant on it to make deal with your "problem"

not trying to be arrogant, just debating.

no disrespect intended at all.

 

[Rymmen]

I would hope you know that in psychology, there is no such thing as sanity.

 

[GOD]

No offence taken . We agree with eachother .

I like debating .

 

[Psyolopher]

I just thought of Charlie manson!
Sanity is a little box, but insanity is a universe!

 

[Brugmansia]

Agent Smith: 'More, more, more, more!'

 

[Nomada]

The first one isnt an hallucination because you have your eyes closed .

What is a hallucination?, what can a hallucination be confounded with?

 

[ararat]

I was never diagnosed one of these disorders, but I was depressed for some time in the past, for I had a tumor right at my upper spine which almost paralysed my body and killed me. my cousin died of a cerebral tumor.
after an evening, in which I took many different drugs (wormwood, copious amounts of weed, salvia, laughing-gas) I got depersonalisation, which was, ultimately, one of the worst feelings I knew. for a long time I thought it was because of the drugs, but then I realised that it was just me fleeing away from myself, that I was the one dissociating me from myself.

generally I'm a happy person again, life's great.

I would hope you know that in psychology, there is no such thing as sanity.

of course, but that's not really what god was talking about.

 

[Guest]

i am a depressed fellow, as the last post i've started shows. not because i have mental problems, but simply because my life has been tough. i think i am healthy, though i have almost killed myself several times and i am sad most of the time. anyone that went through my experiences would be the same.

i don't think that most people are mentally unstable. some of them are, of course. but the majority is depressed and frustrated because they think he/she should be one way, as the society tells them to, and cannot accept one as it is. this is the main problem. if we embrace who we are, only true mental pacients would be treated, and everyone should be happier. everyone is different, but society tells us that we should all be the same. even in this "psychonaut" community (that suffers from the lack of psychonauts and the excess of psychedelic users) we have many values that if you step on them, several users will warn you.
we should all love one another.
be open minded.
learn, learn, learn.
depression is a bad thing.
among several others.
if we detach ourselves from this biased, pre-conceived ideas, we get an overview of things, much clearer. why should i love one another ? it is specially difficult when you have a hateful past. being open minded is the most easy way for us to close ourselves in that bubble and bury our head in the sand. depression is a part of you if you have it, and it is not if you haven't got it. just like a flu: you wish to treat it or you wish that it dies on it's own.

why have we got, as it appears, mental unstable people ? because it is very trendy to appear unstable, do psychedelics and get weird lines in this forum. it makes people think you are very bright. it is a byproduct of the romantic movement - the incomprehended genious vs. society; but mainly, it is just a piece of shit that made me sorry for the water it took to flush it down. aren't there really intelligent people here, that are depressive, or that do not know depression ? of course, and i really love their ideas. everyone is different, even if we tend to equalize everyone, so we can get a better grip on what's going on.

 

[GOD]

"They believe in new age and channelling the arch angle so they are mentally unstable."

Yes . They are nuts .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Your generalizing and you shows no respect.

Generalizing?

"On a side note, I've noticed that at least some of the ayahuasca sessions here in the Netherlands attract (and in some cases are organized by) individuals who are mentally unstable, mixing traditional methods with new age ideas and personal additions ("channeled instructions from Archangel Michael" etc.). Has anyone else observed this as well?"

I was talking of certain sessions and certain individuals, and my hunch that their numbers are going to increase as more and more people are taking it upon themselves to organize ayahuasca sessions.

The individuals in question I've known for years, and the organizers of the ceremonies I've mentioned have written about their views and practises. If my experiences with them makes me conclude they are mentally unstable, why does that offend you?

People I know who organise and participate in ayahuasca ceremonies don't strike me as mentally unstable.

That's great. I know some as well.

I think it's not a positive turn, to call each other (psychonauts & ayahuasceros) mentally unstable.

Sure, but there's no problem pointing out where psychonauts and wanna-be ayahuasceros are deluding themselves and others. With more and more people organizing ayahuasca-sessions lately, you cannot say anymore that they are all fine and organized by spiritual role models. Some are organized by a bunch of nuts.

People are not crazy, just because you don't believe there personal ideas and philosophy's

True, but their personal ideas and philosophies may still reveal the fact that they are crazy.

I do believe it's good to be open to other people's world-views and ideas, or at least respect there freedom to have these ideas.

Why don't you respect my freedom to ridicule these ideas?

It makes me a little angry when you talk about other people this way.
Damn caduceus you really made me angry and sad with this one.

Take responsibility for your own emotions. I didn't do anything to make you angry or sad.

 

[GOD]

Nice post CM......BUT . Remember 2012 and T.M. ????

"Why don't you respect my freedom to ridicule these ideas? " ( Not all the ideas come from T.M. )

"Take responsibility for your own emotions. I didn't do anything to make you angry or sad."

Touche.......

 

[VerusDeus]

[edit: posted something waaay off-topic, so I decided to open a new thread instead, excusez-moi]

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Nice post CM......BUT . Remember 2012 and T.M. ????

Sure, there are many ways one can mix psychedelics with delusions. The psychedelics may be mind-expanding in some regards, they do not shed light on all issues.

 

[st.bot.32]

In regards to the original question:

Even if you're not "crazy" I think there's probably a time for everyone when they get into psychedelics where you start facing difficult questions. Perhaps this is why a large amount of psychedelic users quit after a while, they think they are going bonkers (how many times I've heard that!!).

 

[GOD]

I think a lot of that has something to do with taking to much psychedelics and starting to believe wierd things and take yourself / them to seriously ............ like 2012 and time wank zero . Its called drug abuse . Drugs are tools to be used not wheel chairs for confused people .

 

[st.bot.32]

Agreed... Even without drugs some people are just more susceptible to believing weird things like Hubbard's Sci-Fi Religion, etc. Give those same people psychedelics and I'm sure you'll have a new messiah in the making

 

[Guest]

people only follow crazy religions because they are desperate and in need of goals in their life.

 

[st.bot.32]

...or because they are born/raised in it and it is their reality, which they never stop to question.

 

[Brugmansia]

I believe that people who're not having a lineair flow of control naturally should avoid psychedelics. Especially if their mental inner choas holds them back in going their desired path. In that case psychedelics are NOT the cure.

If someone's certain about his self, but suffering with barries to admit and experience his soft and tender side, a psychedelic experience can break the barrier and enlight the individual.