One flew over the psychonauts nest ?

[GOD]

I understand.....But the topic is about nutters.....

 

[magickmumu]

burning violet Flemish people.
:lol:
That would be different.

 

[magickmumu]

burning violet Flemish people.
:lol:
That would be different.

And a bit ghoulish.

 

[GOD]

Or Goulash......



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulash

 

[Oknayd]

okay then i misinterpreted your original post GOD because i thought it was your concern and maybe a opening towards dialogue in this thread about disorders in the community, but i guess it was just to put slander out about the 'nutters' as you say... :roll:

it's a pity though.. i guess this forum is really bullocks and dicksizing the whole way down..
good night psychonauts, i don't need this crap anymore

 

[magickmumu]

See what I mean
:wink:

 

[GOD]

Why so sensitive ? You seem to be taking it personaly . Why ?

"I thought it was your concern and maybe a opening towards dialogue in this thread about disorders in the community"

It is thats why we are talking about loonys using drugs to indoctrinate people with esoteric wierdo shit . We dont need a load of Jim Jones`s or siberian loonys digging holes and hiding from the end of the world . Imagine the newspapers , the generaly public and politicians asociating proper use of ayahuasca with crystals , 2012 , st.germain , the spirit valley , the violet flame , ogdoatic spheres and chaneling !!!!!! They would hunt us down and throw us in the rubber room and throw the key away .


Hows this for you "I understand.....But the topic is about mentaly ill / mentaly confused people"?


Please dont leave , please explain why you feel so negative ?

 

[Oknayd]

Why so sensitive ? You seem to be taking it personaly . Why ?

"I thought it was your concern and maybe a opening towards dialogue in this thread about disorders in the community"

It is thats why we are talking about loonys using drugs to indoctrinate people with esoteric wierdo shit . We dont need a load of Jim Jones`s or siberian loonys digging holes and hiding from the end of the world . Imagine the newspapers , the generaly public and politicians asociating proper use of ayahuasca with crystals , 2012 , st.germain , the spirit valley , the violet flame , ogdoatic spheres and chaneling !!!!!! They would hunt us down and throw us in the rubber room and throw the key away .


Please dont leave , please explain why you feel so negative ?

I was just irritated that you guys went on and on about it and saw another endless discussion coming...
Also, i kind of hoped that you had something to say about my long post (if not, that's fine too), am not feeling very positive right now

Hows this for you "I understand.....But the topic is about mentaly ill / mentaly confused people"?

I understand but i feel there is a difference between the esoteric/newage loonies (who in my view are mostly people with too much time on their hands and willing to believe anything) and people with depression or any other mental disorder.
'They' (the newage agenda) have reached my mom, and she is into some newagey crap but i wouldnt call her a nutter, i always try to point out the flaws and lack of reasoning in some stuff she's into but i would never call her nuts. (it helps that she doesn't dance naked at a full moon or anything, she just reads the stuff and bothers me about it from time to time)

I understand the problem you have with people using ayahuasca for their own fairy-tale styled stuff but i see it as a different subject than people with mental disorders using psychedelics .. am i wrong?

If i would call them anything it would be 'very gullible' but not nuts or mentally ill. I agree that some of these people are doing real harm though, and possibly hurting the psychedelic community.

 

[GOD]

Thanks that you didnt leave and thanks for your explanation . I and i`m sure everyone here does make a distinction between people who are ill with depression and other disorders and people who are gulable esoteric fools . I and i`m sure no one else would lump you with your problems in one group with them .

I will read your post again and if i have something to say i will reply . OK .

 

[Psychoid]

I believe that people who're not having a lineair flow of control naturally should avoid psychedelics. Especially if their mental inner choas holds them back in going their desired path. In that case psychedelics are NOT the cure.

Can you develop please?

I refered to those who're naturally suffering with mood swings, changing their point of view about life by the day, compensate depression with acted positivism etc. Feel that they're capable of doing impossible things, shortely after saying they're worth nothing etc.

Thank you for the explanation. Now I know I am not included in "people who're not having a lineair flow of control naturally"

And Oknayd... can't you let others express their thoughts and opinions? Don't get pissed by GOD's seemingly-rude attitude, he's just like that, but he's always open for discussion.

"I understand the problem you have with people using ayahuasca for their own fairy-tale styled stuff but i see it as a different subject than people with mental disorders using psychedelics .. am i wrong? "

I think you are wrong. If they believe in that stuff which came out of their head, and they say they are receiving instructions from saint-gabriel or any supernatural entities, and try to push it on other people, I don't see how you could consider them mentally sane.

And I have this problem too, that daytripper talked about. I mean society wanting us to be like this, and rejecting us if we don't subject ourself to this. In fact I think that must be about everyone here on this forum that have this, since there are no country, in my knowledge, that valorises psychonautism, or even accept it. Almost everywhere if we talk about this, people think we are schizo or something.

 

[Oknayd]

"I understand the problem you have with people using ayahuasca for their own fairy-tale styled stuff but i see it as a different subject than people with mental disorders using psychedelics .. am i wrong? "

I think you are wrong. If they believe in that stuff which came out of their head, and they say they are receiving instructions from saint-gabriel or any supernatural entities, and try to push it on other people, I don't see how you could consider them mentally sane.

It really depends on the person and situation.
btw I wasn't pissed off at GOD, just tired of things blown up.

Yes some people seem very 'out there' with talking to angels and whatever they would call it and pushing it onto others, but isn't it allways a choice of these others to follow them?
I wasn't so much talking about the messiah-complex people who get messages and whatnot, but more about the followers of the newage agenda.
Mostly housewives going through some weird phase i think, but i'm not sure.. if you know more than me, tell me

 

[Psychoid]

Yes some people seem very 'out there' with talking to angels and whatever they would call it and pushing it onto others, but isn't it allways a choice of these others to follow them?

People who joined scientology chose to by themselves.
It's the same thing here.
Abusing of mentally vulnerable people.

And what's this newage thing?

 

[GOD]

Hey Oknayd , i read your post again and you sound prety normal to me . You had a problem that many people had and you did the best = you got help . You sound like a loveing , careing , open intelligent person to me . So is DayTripper . I think both of you have social problems not mental ones = its about the shit that life has done to you and laid at your feet . Dont worry about it , dont take it to seriously and do your best . You cant do more and no one can criticise you for the problems you have had , how you dealt with them or how you feel .

I`m not realy an arsehole like i apear sometimes . If i see someone with a problem i mwill always try to help . Jus like now . You asked me to look , read and comment . I took you seriously and told you what i honestly think . If i can ever help you please just ask and i will try .

Take care of yourself and keep your head up .

 

[Oknayd]

Hey Oknayd , i read your post again and you sound prety normal to me . You had a problem that many people had and you did the best = you got help . You sound like a loveing , careing , open intelligent person to me . So is DayTripper . I think both of you have social problems not mental ones = its about the shit that life has done to you and laid at your feet . Dont worry about it , dont take it to seriously and do your best . You cant do more and no one can criticise you for the problems you have had , how you dealt with them or how you feel .

I`m not realy an arsehole like i apear sometimes . If i see someone with a problem i mwill always try to help . Jus like now . You asked me to look , read and comment . I took you seriously and told you what i honestly think . If i can ever help you please just ask and i will try .

Take care of yourself and keep your head up .

Hey thanks man.. i'm kind of speechless
Thanks, your post reached my heart instead of my overly critical head. It's actually just what i needed to hear right now. maybe it sounds weird but you have given me inspiration to get out again and do stuff (i was living a bit like a hermit these last couple of weeks)

i know you aren't an arsehole as you appear sometimes i figured that out pretty soon. I think maybe sometimes you question too much, lol, if there is such a thing. I appreciate your input and feedback.
i hope i will have more meaningful dialogues here on the psychonaut forum, i'll start a new thread soon

Just saw a simpsons episode and laughed my ass off, now i'm off to bed

 

[Brugmansia]

I mean society wanting us to be like this, and rejecting us if we don't subject ourself to this. In fact I think that must be about everyone here on this forum that have this, since there are no country, in my knowledge, that valorises psychonautism, or even accept it. Almost everywhere if we talk about this, people think we are schizo or something.

True, we psychonauts have all gone through the point of stage that psychedelics caused at least inner anger against the matrix, society, or the prison system, authority whatever you want to call it. That is naturally a process which develops itselfs equally with the born and growth of our third eye. But how a certain individual chooses to act after being a witness of the visible world with his third eye is what decides his or her destination and how he or she will mentally finish.

The finest way for the self and his or her environment is to raise a third eye of his or her own blood. Which implies going the unrevealed path yourself and making the coordinations on the map without others' fingers . With minor influences from the external world.

Once a third eye has fully matured; rational thinking and keeping balance adds enlightment to your own presence of being (which is what we call society life ). It is no heaven with the absence of knowledge about all the negative. But at least the finest and most enjoyable way of life for a human and his own inner self and others in his or her environment.

We're humans, and it's very difficult for us to just accompany an individual/group on his, her or their path without attempting to put influences in them of which we believe they're 'good' or will make one happy/truly alive guaranteed from our own point of view.

Let's be honest, isolating ourselve by wanting to abandon the current society system is just as depressing as fully and always living in that system. Just take the best out of both worlds, witness them both, and learn how to survive in a satisfied way by balancing and without having to take too much space from your environment and others. Your attitude will be rewarded. Be modest.

McKenna, Hofmann, Larry, Huxley, Strassman, have made tremdedous contributions for us. But still we even have to consider their coordinations carefully because it's essential to detect or it fits within your inner self and to observe or it works out for your own soup.

 

[GOD]

What exactly is a third eye ?

 

[braha_kahn]

What exactly is a third eye ?

esoteric bullshit ;-)

j/k

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_eye

 

[st.bot.32]

It is also spoken of as the gate that leads within to inner realms and spaces of higher consciousness. In New Age spirituality, the third eye may alternately symbolize a state of enlightenment or the evocation of mental images having deeply-personal spiritual or psychological significance. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.

Damn, and here I thought it was just the drugs!


:lol:

 

[BrainEater]

What exactly is a third eye ?

it's an eye that is not really there. yet it is said to be an eye, because it perceives just as an eye does. also what it perceives is different, because what it perceives is thoughts.

i'd say it's probably a part of the brain, considering that the brain is the part of the body processing thoughts.

peace.

 

[Forkbender]

What exactly is a third eye ?

It is one of the ways people have expressed the idea that God is in everyone.