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Psyolopher a dit:
Oh and doesnt the moodswings bother you?

Actually, when they do, I found out that the best way to deal with them is to reinforce the "bad" side of the "swing".

For example, if I'm really sad, I can go from euphoric to totally depressed several times in a matter of minutes.

What I do then is to reinforce the "sad" side, by listening to dark music for example, and involve myself as much as possible in it's "dark" side.

When I'm exhausted after doing that, I can go back to "normal" much more easily.
 
Well said Tiax, lots of people are to afraid to pay attention, well it is there because we need it.
 
Space-is-the-Place a dit:
The system sucks huh?
Isn't there any teacher that can do something for you?
Someone who really likes you?


Yes!!! it does. I'm sortof wishing there was some really good alternative education place somewhere around here actually... I'd like it so much better I am sure...
It feels like half the rules they make are just to teach you to shut up, tune off, listen and obey.

and yes actually the teacher of the class would do whatever possible to keep me in, she loves me. but they want me out by tomorrow morning and she apparently doesnt hold power over this "district" rule. I'd go up to district myself and resolve it, but my school is just refusing.

I guess I could do either my required economics class [but oh would I hate that] or an art 3D class, which may be a "waste of time" but....whatever an art class would do me well, I wish ceramics was open @ that time though. and it'll raise that ghastly unweighted gpa, no?

and that conceptualizing with acid-for-school idea isn't bad Ganesha ;]

and thank you guys, just hearing some of you give suggestions or at least sympathize a bit actually has made me feel a whole lot better. high school still sucks, though.
 
Psyolopher a dit:
IS THERE ANYONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE MOODSWINGS?
is the real question, are we aware of it or not?
???
anyone?

I want to feel a flow or a sense ...or a theme in my life.
Mines just, up n down up n down...then to the side...than down again...the OH WAIT UP AGAIN...then down again...then down again...then down again...THEN UP..oh wait we might find a new flow...wait down again.

IM TIRED OF SUBCONSCIOUSLY CHANGING OPINIONS!


yeah Phyolopher we all have moodswings, me included of course.
I try to be aware of them yes, it lets them be what they are: but I dont always know why I have them.

strangely enough, not drinking enough water on a certain day will sometimes leave me feeling depressed, and I tend to feel less motivated in the evening [5-6]

and I almost always feel good and usually really confident at night: regardless of situation.


but I think that flow that you're talking about- that realy chaotic one: is sortof how life can go. it's a rollar coaster really: which should be emraced for both its good and bad, no?

and subconsciously changing opinions is natural!
it is change, and change is life- everything is change:
flow with them: the changing opinions, moodswings and everything , and you'll be that more gradual flow that you wish for. :]
 
Gah my brain is my enemy.

I change between fully accepting my addiction and then considering it normal. I hate this, i know i could be consistent if i didnt feel different each time i consider myself.

Nina i hope uni treats you well, at some point an education system cant be used to occupy the next generation for 5 years. Some people arent meant for further education and im not sure if it helps, this isnt directed at you but it does seem that american colleges function as day care centres for a huge chunk of people who attend. - But i dont live in us so i dont know.

To continue with my interupt rave...

I hate that my life has been comfortable and easy.

Im happy that i can understand what others talk about.

I have a theory that in any society there has to be deviation for it to function, how much?

I miss those times when we used to try and help each other (personal) and that now if someone indicates difficulty we show apathy or agreement.

I despair watching friends sign their life into mediocrity when they have so much potential.

And finally i want to meet someone like me.

Sorry for writing this bbut i wanted to.

Can i stop non-psychedelic drugs? Its a strange fight
 
I'm in serious need of a girlfriend, I'm not sure if I can stand it any longer. this is very tiring, I've never had a girlfriend apart from a short not-so-serious one in nepal/india. my last acid trip didn't exactly make it easier, in contrast to the two before.. now I feel like I'm standing where I was before the last few trips.

I look forward to moving out from my hometown. I'm not sure if vienna will be any better, but it will be something different at least. whatever changes there are in my life/mood/head, when I come back home it seems that everything is the same again.
 
Psyolopher a dit:
up n down up n down...then to the side...than down again...the OH WAIT UP AGAIN...then down again...then down again...then down again...THEN UP..oh wait we might find a new flow...wait down again.

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:)

Tiax a dit:
What I do then is to reinforce the "sad" side, by listening to dark music for example, and involve myself as much as possible in it's "dark" side. When I'm exhausted after doing that, I can go back to "normal" much more easily.

hey i do that too!

it does work
 
BananaPancake a dit:
I'm in serious need of a girlfriend, I'm not sure if I can stand it any longer. this is very tiring, I've never had a girlfriend apart from a short not-so-serious one in nepal/india. my last acid trip didn't exactly make it easier, in contrast to the two before.. now I feel like I'm standing where I was before the last few trips.

I look forward to moving out from my hometown. I'm not sure if vienna will be any better, but it will be something different at least. whatever changes there are in my life/mood/head, when I come back home it seems that everything is the same again.
+1
I've been happily single for a fair amount of time now, with short term infatuations here and there
now im not so happily single..
Are you doing anything about being single? actively?
 
Nina: that makes sense..
Thank you.
And another thought, the system IS fucked up.
It is constructed with problems, so they can give us solutions....
Why? To keep us in check.
I am convinced fully by this... Abuse the system to your full advantage.
Just dont do it to your fellow brother!

????????:
hahaha THanks for the paragraph, thats some good shit!

Feel much betteR!
 
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Tiax a dit:
What I do then is to reinforce the "sad" side, by listening to dark music for example, and involve myself as much as possible in it's "dark" side. When I'm exhausted after doing that, I can go back to "normal" much more easily.

hey i do that too!

it does work
If it works, it works, but personally I wouldn't recommend anyone to listen to very gloomy or depressing music, like for example Joy Division. As you sometimes hear in management workshops: "enthusiasm is contagious!" I think that applies to sadness as well. Listening to sad, angry or melodramatic music and lyrics for days on end, let alone weeks or months, will drag you down. Even if you keep having your highs in life, your downs will get deeper and deeper. Especially avoid music by people who contemplate suicide. They are deluded. Don't allow them to delude you too. Though I love a wide variety of musical styles, I hardly ever listen to music produced by artists whose drugs of choice are not cannabis and psychedelics.
 
Joy Division :heart:

Good point, I disagree but I can't find the words at the moment to explaine. I.O.Y the explanation.

Let it out: here goes,

Dark music makes me feel good
happy music makes me feel good
music makes me feel good
I can't live whitout music.
 
^ +1

It's about expressiveness, imagination and embracing all the emotions of the human condition. Besides, interpretation of music is personal and cultural, and quite related to how the media portrays it. You can break free from how the media tells you that you are supposed to be manipulated by music, and listen to it on your own terms.

I agree though about focusing on negativity too much.
 
st.bot.32 a dit:
and embracing all the emotions of the human condition.
And that is exactly what I meant. Simply focusing on sad or gloomy music isn't embracing all emotions, but narrowing it down to a select few. I often listen to sad or angry songs, but not sad or angry bands making sad or angry albums.
 
Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
I often listen to sad or angry songs, but not sad or angry bands making sad or angry albums.

I guess it depends on the role you want music to have in your life, and how you want it to engage you (and only you can gauge how the music you listen to affects you)

Being sad or angry, whether it be caused by social injustice or perceived hypocrisy and flaws inherent in society, or personal weaknesses and failings, are all equally real and valid parts of the human experience, and need to be expressed and understood. Otherwise expressions of these conditions simply wouldn't exist, and nobody could relate/would want to listen to them.

A great deal of 19th century music and literature is profoundly unhappy with just cause--reacting to the constrictive pressures and double standards present in a frequently misogynist and claustrophobic society. That century's music was an outright rebellion against the stifled music of the classical period, was rich with experimentation and expression, and sadly its artists frequently lived very short and miserable lives. Fast forward a century, a huge part of late 60s to 80s underground music was reacting to the social injustices of the time, be it nonstop war, George Bush I, homophobia, hypocrisy rampant in middle-class morality, etc etc etc each expressing their experiences in their own way and leading to new avenues of expression.. from that era sprang completely new genres like punk, industrial for example.

Art is about transference of subjectivity, which exercises empathy. As our society continues hopefully to improve itself, it's blights and dark sides will be pointed out by its artists, who are usually the ones suffering and driven to express it in order to deal with the darkness and understand it. When society has embraced, confronted and solved all of its ills, then all literature, music, and painting will be happy.
 
I told two friends I haven't seen for a year or more that I am a psychonaut now and take psychedelics occasionally.
They were surprised at first, but they think it's cool at the same time.
That makes me happy!
 
^hehe cheers :)

i understand the argument of overindulging in negative states and i know it's dangerous... but what i'm talking about is this: trying to push yourself to the limit when you know that you're already near... by conscious navigation of the negative state you surround yourself in, you take the issue head on and catalyze the eventual catharsis; so it's not hopeless rendition but instead bringing yourself face to face with your negativity, and when you do that (consciously) what happens is, as Tiax says, that you get tired of it and become ready to move on. i see it as being in the lower side of the wave and pushing for the point of maximum negative amplitude (the bottom, point of no return) so that then you can go up again.
 
hi
im a relatively new poster her but not without my own story and hopefully helpful hints based on my own experience
ive been an addict of multiple substances for years now, historically mdma, jib, coke and k to mention the more painful ones but have been cleaning up slowly gone from a street freak to a psychedelic user with the occasional slipup due to a lapse in mental control and bad situations. but for the issue of negativity, I find that you must accept and understand what has happened to make you slip into those negative 'thought loops' as i refer to them then allow yourself to know that they are only transient in order to begin turning the negative thoughts on their heads. though for me at least negative thought patterns are a bit of a hedonistic indulgence because if i accept those patterns as reality then my drug use/abuse has no bearing anymore and i slip to the 'dark side'.. man i hope that made sense and wasnt just philosophical high minded rambling but i am ashamed of how much good advice i can give my friends yet have a hard time realizing it into action to better my own life, any thoughts on this?
helpful rhetoric is easy to spout but to turn it into positive actions is the failing point of my life at the moment
please let me know if this made sense/you guys have suggestions/anything.. just figured id put my two cents in,
and if this was total nonsense at least check out this blog it has helped me numerous times in the last year realize simple truths as how to live better, more efficiently and happier.
http://www.raptitude.com/2009/07/how-i- ... lly-naked/
http://www.raptitude.com/2009/08/the-se ... the-world/

May the winds of fortune blow upon your back
and the morning sun smile upon your face.
 
you do make sense, atypical.

good advice i can give my friends yet have a hard time realizing it into action to better my own life

yeah, usually there's more preachin' than practicin'. what i do is that everytime i caught myself trying to pass advice i first filter it through my own experiences, so that i do not recommend anything to anyone that i wouldn't try myself.

and oh i see you linked to david's blog. i've read some of his posts.
 
I had a sheit day at work today. Nothing seemed to work. Computers crashing, deliveries failing, customers not watching their children who demolish everything in sight, etc. etc. Frustrating.
 
^I know days like those. Sucks.

I ate too much salad.
 
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