Drugs in the bibles

[Guest]

Very easily said god / the conscious universe got bored with endless nothing so it devised a game where it could play hide and seek with itself . The game being us , life and the universe .

am i reading maya here ? or am i one in 139.998 humans ?

 

[Guest]

and sorry for the useless information. like i said, i am no chemist. i only know that i breathe gas, shit solid and piss liquid. that's my biggest acheivement in chemistry. or is it physics ? anyway, you get the point.

Aint we cool !!!

no, we are not. perhaps you are cool. i am hot.

 

[GOD]

Daytripper ,

You read FAST .

"Very easily said god / the conscious universe got bored with endless nothing so it devised a game where it could play hide and seek with itself . The game being us , life and the universe ."

I wondered if anyone would notice that . It was one of the 3 central things that i tried to hide in what i said ?

"am i reading maya here ? or am i one in 139.998 humans ?"

I dont understand the bit about reading maya here . Could you please explain it ? Do you mean mayan mythology ? Does that say the same ?

Who is the other one of the 2 humans ? and HOW LONG IS YOUR NECK ????


LOVE GOD

 

[HeartCore]

It would have been so cool and anti-complex and totally honest and true if Jesus at some point would have said something in the lines of:

"Look, love everyone, love your enemies as thou self, be love, understand what love is. Now go eat two hands of those mushrooms there and go ponder ThAT for a while."

I actually believe something like that HAS been in the original scripture but was edited out...

 

[Guest]

with maya i meant the hindu word that means "art" or "illusion". i belive that you just described the hindu philosophy of the lila, or the hide and seek you were talking about. the creator is hiding in everything, the stars, the rocks and yourself. you just have to seek him.
although i admire the mayan civilization, i was not talking about it.

The diference between real science and the sort of pseudo science that was responsible for the dark ages .

the "dark ages" is something that the XXth century (post romantism) invented. the dark ages were not dark at all, humans made many things. you and I can hate the catholic church, but we may (and should) be happy for what it did: preservation and creation of new art. music, paintings and sculpture (although this last one is not comparable to the classic era). can you understand hieronymus bosch, or josquín des près ? commercially, europe started to open trade routes with the arabs, asians and africans. many things happened, and to pollitically start the recruting of the scientific army, the illuminism had to be bright (as the name implies). to something be bright, it must be on dark rooms. now i say: is the illuminism that bright ? or is the illuminism that killed our spiritual side ? perhaps it was the church (was it even spiritual at all?). something is for sure: we still life on the "dark ages of illuminism", and therefore is to early to talk about it.


an axiom is something that is not open for discussion. a truth that you just have to swallow. speaking of which: the other human is the one with the long neck.

 

[Monochromatic_Knight]

but the coming katastrophy is undenyable , its not an apokalitic nightmare from pseudo religeous fanatics . The temperature at the poles has already risen 11c . I hope you dont have rose coloured glasses on ?.......(and that you can swim good . I have had my bags packed for the last 30 years !!!!! HONESTLY )

"but the coming katastrophy is undenyable"- Please do not take offense but you're probably the 314,312,001st person to say that in the past several thousand years.

I try my best to not look at the world through skewed eyes, whether it be positive (rose glasses) or negative (apocalyptic) (even though I am an optimist). To say that the coming catastrophe is inevitable is an enormous assumption, and I assume you refer to peak oil, global warming, future pandemics, etc. Perhaps you've also considered the Mayan calender, Timewave Zero, possibly Revelations and so on...

Living with your bags packed for 30 years... that takes a bit of confidence and commitment. I'm no where near as assured as you are.

Remember, you are the magician that makes the grass green. If you abstract reality through the mind of someone who believes the world is near catastrophe, then that's what most of your experience will consist of.

There is no death.

I have never died (as far as I know) and therefore do not have the experience to reach that conclusion.

I once spent 6 weeks in a room where people are brought to die and watched myself go blind and dieing . I have had white light experiences from eating hash , meditation and near death experiences . I have met god face to face and been shown everything . There is no death .

Not to devalue your experience or the experiences of others on this forum, but you were on drugs and/or experiencing and non-ordinary state of consciousness through meditation. Your making a logical jump equating the experience of a non-ordinary state with dying. Honestly, I tend to lean towards your side of reasoning and like the thoughts you're presenting. But liking something doesn't make it true. I'm sure your experiences were profound but regarding "meeting god", as Bill Hicks said about preachers...

"I think what God meant to say..." I have never been that confident.

 

[GOD]

Heartcore ,

your aim is true , straight to the heart again .

daytripper / 1 of 140.000 ,

I have heard of 7 of 9 , you will now be known as 1 of 140.000 . Thanx for the explanations . The dark ages bit was meant to refer to the way the catholic church dominated , and held back , the social and scientific world with hokus pokus and pseudo religeous politics for more than a thousand years. The witch hunts , the crusades , the way women were discriminated against and how anything that people wanted to do must have had church aproval for those people to be safe . I dont realy hate anything , hate is to big a word , i am disgusted by what i see and maybe i use the word wrongly to emphasise what i mean . I was glad to hear that you dont suffer from neckache !!! What does it taste like ? Do you come in your own mouth / face ?

Monochromatic_Knight ,

Firstly , i like what you say . But i want to comment on a few things . I´m not trying to slag you off . The coming catastrophe is undenyable , it has been scientificaly proven . Its not the usual nostradamus , astrology crap or false revalations from revalations . All are to obscure to be taken seriously , open to endless diferent interpretations . To save the planet we must act NOW . The efects of what is happening are culmulative . That the ice will melt is fact . That this will cause masses of methan gas to be released is already happening . Today in the news they said that all past predictions of how fast the ice would melt were wrong , that it is mutch worse than was expected . In my life i can see that the mushroom season starts 6 weeks later than it did when i was a 18 . I see the weather changeing , i used to be able to look at the sky and see the weather for at least 3 days in advance , i cant anymore . All the old people i used to talk to used to tell me that since jet trails apeared in the sky the weather had changed . EVERYBODY laughed , they are not laughing now as it was true . I understand what you mean about bird flu and co. , things to manipulate people with , to fill their heads with so that they can not think for themselves . = Divide and rule . Can you imagine any government doing anything honest with other governments to deal with the problem ? Can you imagin satan bush , putin and the chinese making an honest arangement with each other ? and sticking to it ? Can you imagin that after thousands of years of them lieing to us and themselves that they are sudenly going to change ? They will wait till the last moment , as they have always done , and then it will be to late . I dont believe that all of humanity will die , but most of them . Remember new orleans , they knew it was comming years before and did nothing , they saw it coming a few days before it happened , they did nothing . Do you remember what happened every time when there was a problem , george bush hid for three days . Do you remember that after 3 days the people were in total panik , that the police mutinyed . The murders in the streets . The mayhem . Imagin what it would have been like after 2 weeks ?

"I have never died (as far as I know) and therefore do not have the experience to reach that conclusion"
I have . The as far as i know was good . But does anyone realy know anything ?

" but you were on drugs and/or experiencing and non-ordinary state of consciousness through meditation."
As always we are talking about subjective objectivity . I was shown the possible lives i could have , pictures that are still vivid in my mind . I go places , walk round corners and see things that i saw in my near death "visions" , wich can be frightening . I am aware of the objective facts , maybe you should not rule out what i said , but keep an open mind , there is more to some things than the sum total of their parts . Near death experiences , i`ve had more than one , are the clearest expereiences that i have ever had . What i have learned from them has changed me from being a real skin head ( skin heads were NOT nazis ) to being what i am now . Dying is a non ordinary state . The white light is the same how ever you reach it . Diferent technics of getting there show it from a diferent side . There is no false logic jump from near death experiences or others....our brains are electro chemical factorys , all thoughts are drug experiences . The white light experience is the center of all religeons and has been documented thousands of times for thousands of years . The experiences were very similar to each other . I understand that that could just mean that we all have the same physiological effects when we die , I try to be objective about what i think and i have found a plausable way to explain every thing i have experienced . Remember that you are talking about something that neither of us can prove , and that you have not experienced . I met god / myself . Remember your amazement when you had your first trip ? Wich was just like thoughts , time and energy , unexplainable . 1 (you) + 1 (LSD) = mutch more than three ? There was always mutch more to the picture than meats the eye . Just because you cant see round a corner doesnt mean that there is nothing there . We should keep an open mind about things we cant prove . Just like UFOs and strings . The whit light as an unexplained phenomenem , like the "god" theory .

This all turns around the question that i asked before :- There is only one fact . What is it ? And explain it ? In no more than 5 words .

LOVE GOD

 

[HeartCore]

"I have never died (as far as I know) and therefore do not have the experience to reach that conclusion"

I have died endless times and have been born also endless times. This is not a question or a philosophical statement but a true fact for me. I have experienced this and therefore reached the conclusion that dead does exist but it has no power over me. It's a natural transition to the next level.

There is no way I can convince you of my truth, and no way you can coax me into your doubts. Scientifically, you will never be able to grasp the experience I had because it lies in the domain that is completely different as the scientific domain. I'm not saying that science is bullshit, it's not bullshit, its just a broad collection of observations that try to make sense of our reality. The real truth is, and you have to experience and seek this for yourself if you really want to know, that all this that you consider real and lasting, is in fact nothing more than Maya, illusion. a temporary virtual world that you inhabit time and time again.

There is only one fact . What is it ? And explain it ? In no more than 5 words .

We are all ONE.

 

[Guest]

I have heard of 7 of 9

please explain, i don't get this one.

The witch hunts , the crusades , the way women were discriminated against and how anything that people wanted to do must have had church aproval for those people to be safe .

today, we live the same thing. the witch hunts were transformed into money hunts. the crusades were not altered at all, and are used to keep us affraid from the "unfaithful". nowadays, woman are not discriminated at all, but the elders are. there are no respect for older people, as there is no respect for knowledge. maybe in certain circles, but an elite doesn't make a society. (not the "elite" in the sense of a commanding elite, like the people that sit in the same table as GW Bush. by the way, do you know that bush is just another word for cunt?)

What does it taste like ?

it tastes like the future.

i'm really enjoying this thread, and have learned both from you and heartcore.

edit: this is why i come to this forum in the first place, so i thank you both.

 

[GOD]

Heartcore ,

How do you do this ??? You are SO near to what i meant that i will tell you . The answer is :- me , everything else is subjective . The me could be changed to god or i . = the only thing that can be proved is that "i" exist , everything else is just a subjective asumption . The other thing was that i thought some one might ask me something similar and i wanted to say straight away "I dont know , please tell me" . That people start to think , to be honest and to ASK QUESTIONS . That admiting that i dont know something is not a weekness , its the strenghth to know that i am honest and will get an answer mutch quicker than if i pretend that i do know . Ask and you will get an answer , knock and the door will be opened .

Daytripper / 1 of 140000 ,

7 of 9 was the borg woman in startrek with the most amazing tits in the universe . I have seen every episode of startrek exept the last one . I have saved that on a DVD so that i can watch it as i die , if i`m luck enough to know that i have 45 minutes left !!!

The bush bit was/is good , i had to think for a half a second and then i remembered .

"i'm really enjoying this thread, and have learned both from you and heartcore.this is why i come to this forum in the first place, so i thank you both."

I feel exactly the same , i`m amazed at what we have achieved in this thread and i`m gratefull to you all to , i have also learned things through it . Thank you for saying that , i needed it , i know i`m a big mouthed big headed provocative bastard , but what is said here sometimes hurts/anoyes me so mutch that i dissapear for a few days and lock myself in my flat and smoke LOADS of hash and do hours of weight training till i can function again .

I have not forgoten the thing i said about the big bang , i will formulate it as good as i can and tell you later .

One thing i have noticed is that often we are all saying the same thing from a diferent direction and that because of that we missunderstand eachother sometimes . For example when we said nothing realy matters and that everything realy matters , both are true in the individual way that we said it . I think the important thing is that we acept that we are sometimes of a diferent opinion , that we can acept each other and that we are showing each other that we are trying to comunicate honestly . = that we are capable of love .

LOVE GOD

 

[Monochromatic_Knight]

The coming catastrophe is undenyable, it has been scientificaly proven .

I agree with you that major changes in the earth are occurring, and in all likelihood it is mankind that is perpetuating this change. Where we part in our views is that there is an undeniable catastrophe coming in the near future.

In one sense it is undeniable because no matter what natural disaster occurs, you can use it as evidence to support your view. Who is the great one who makes the grass green?

All the old people i used to talk to used to tell me that since jet trails apeared in the sky the weather had changed . EVERYBODY laughed , they are not laughing now as it was true .

Correlation does not equal cause. i.e. “Since the discovery of LSD there has been an increase in global warming. Therefore LSD has caused global warming.

 

[JosVU]

Who is the great one who makes the grass green?

WE IS!
Grass aint green. it's all colours exept green. 8)

 

[HeartCore]

HeartCore schreef:that all this that you consider real and lasting, is in fact nothing more than Maya, illusion.

Monochromatic_Knight:
I'm very aware of these ideas. I've had many interesting experiences and still seek one such as you describe. But ultimately, your view is but one way to see things. Dare you say the only and true way?

What would that accomplish?

Heartcore ,

How do you do this ??? You are SO near to what i meant that i will tell you . The answer is :- me , everything else is subjective .

The answer still is: we all are one

 

[Monochromatic_Knight]

What would that accomplish?

You're right... it wouldn't accomplish much. Just trying to illustrate my earlier point that there are many perspectives through which one can see.

 

[lumanian]

I try it in english (I was on the german discussion board last time), but I didn`t read all posts - that was quite too much - so I didn`t find your post concerning fly agaric in the bible.
You read that book I told you that compares jesus with fly agaric - he changed water into wine (all shamans drink their urine after oral ingestion, because toxic substances are filtered through the kidneys and muscimol stays inside the urine. often this urine is given to others to experience the same and get in contact with god).
the biggest problem to find hints concerning drugs especially in the bible is catholic censorship.
the saviours of the holy bible never wanted people to be able to read and understand it, and they try very hard to prevent people making their own god-experience (that you can make with psychoactives) - that`s why they made german `reinheitsgebot`for beer to forbid hyoscamus niger inside - and that`s why they killed and tortured so called `witches`using datura, atropa belladonna and mandragora... - and that`s also why they destroyed shamans culture in south america, africa, everywhere they could save and increase their power to keep enough sheeps and members and get their money and souls...
excuse my english - but it might be better than your german
lumanian
shamans soul lasts forever

 

[Dantediv86]

haha it surely is
interesting point

 

[Gratefully_dead]

I don't know how familiar you guys are with the bible but if youve heard of the holy anointing oil jesus and the disciples would wnoint the sick with it was actually made from hash. I also read somewhere (cant remember where ) but it was a passage from the bible about a festival and everyone consumed mushrooms and danced and sang and then spoke of their experiences afterwards

 

[GOD]

High lumanian , yes your english is much better than my german . I can speak it sort of ok but the spelling is shit . i am still writing a reply to your info about the LSA ( lysergic acid amides ? ) . I`m not sure if i`m alowed to post this , i dont think that it has a copyright on it . I`v seen it lots of times on the net . I think it is an advertising article for the mans book .

KANEH BOSM
THE HIDDEN STORY OF CANNABIS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT

By Chris Bennet

Part 3 in a series on the
History of Cannabis and
Human Consciousness

THEN GOD SAID, I GIVE YOU EVERY SEED-BEARING
PLANT ON THE FACE OF THE WHOLE
EARTH, AND EVERY TREE THAT
HAS FRUIT IN IT."
GENESIS 1:29-30
Those words seem straightforward enough, and yet cannabis and most other psychoactive medicine plants are outlawed in our society. Those who use these plant gat eways to other states of consciousness are jailed for doing so.
Ironically, the major force for continuing this plant prohibition is a group referred to as the Christian Right. They claim to believe in both the Bible and old Yahweh, yet Yahweh's opinion on the matter is stated quite clearly in the above quotation.
This article shows how the Old Testament Prophets were none other than ancient shamans, and that cannabis and other entheogens played a very prominent role in ancient Hebrew culture.
THE ROOTS OF KANEH-BOSM
The first solid evidence of the Hebrew use of cannabis was established in 1936 by Sula Benet, a little known Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw (1).
The word cannabis was generally thought to be of Scythian origin, but Benet showed that it has a much earlier origin in Semitic languages like Hebrew, and that it appears several times throughout the Old Testament. Benet explained that "in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant (2)."
Benet demonstrated that the word for cannabis is kaneh-bosm, also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kaneh or kannabus. The root kan in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while bosm means "aromatic". This word appears five times in the Old Testament; in the books of Exodus, the Song of Songs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.
The word kaneh-bosm has been mistranslated as calamus, a common marsh plant with little monetary value that does not have the qualities or value ascribed to kaneh-bosm. The error occurred in the oldest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint in the third century BC, and was repeated in the many translations that followed (3).
THE HIDDEN STORY
When we take a chronological look at biblical references to kaneh-bosm, we reveal more than just the story of cannabis in the Old Testament. Another exciting and concealed story emerges as well, that of the suppression of the worship of Astarte, also called Ashera, known t o the ancient Semites as the Queen of Heaven.
The First Reference
to Kaneh-Bosm

MOSES & MARIJUANA
The first mention of kaneh-bosm in the Old Testament appears with the prophet-shaman Moses. At the beginning of his shamanic career, Moses discovered the angel of the Lord in flames of fire from within a bush.
It is later in his life however, that a definite reference to cannabis is made. Sula Benet explains this reference as follows:
The sacred character of hemp in biblical times is evident from Exodus 30:22-33, where Moses was instructed by God to anoint the meeting tent and all its furnishings with specially prepared oil, containing hemp.
Anointing set sacred things apart from secular. The anointment of sacred objects was an ancient tradition in Israel: holy oil was not to be used for secular purposes...
Above all, the anointing oil was used for the installation rites of all Hebrew kings and priests.
This first reference to kaneh-bosm is the only that describes it as an ointment to be applied externally. However, anointing oils made with cannabis are indeed psychoactive and have been used by such seemingly diverse groups as 19th century occultists and medieval witches (4).
Closer to Moses' own time, cannabis was used as a topical hallucinogen by the ancient worshippers of Asherah, the Queen of Heaven. Asherah has also been referred to as the Hebrew Goddess (5).
The shamanistic Ashera priestesses of pre-reformation Jerusalem mixed cannabis resins with those from myrrh, balsam, frankincense, and perfumes, and then anointed their skins with the mixture as well as burned it (6).
THEN THE LORD SAID TO MOSES, "TAKE THE FOLLOWING FINE SPICES: 500 SHEKELS OF LIQUID MYRRH, HALF AS MUCH OF FRAGRANT CINNAMON, 250 SHEKELS OF KANNABOSM, 500 SHEKELS OF CASSIA - ALL ACCORDING TO THE SANCTUARY SHEKEL - AND A HIND OF OLIVE OIL. MAKE THESE INTO MAKE THESE INTO A SACRED ANNOITING OIL, A FRAGRANT BLEND, THE WORK OF A PERFUMER. IT WILL BE THE SACRED ANNOITING OIL.
THEN USE IT TO ANOINT THE TENT OF THE MEETING, THE ARK OF THE TESTIMONY, THE TABLE AND ALL ITS ARTICLES, THE LAMPSTAND AND ITS ACCESSORIES, THE ALTAR OF INCENSE, THE ALTAR OF BURNT OFFERING AND ALL ITS UTENSILS, AND THE BASIN WITH ITS STAND. YOU SHALL CONSECRATE THEM SO THEY WILL BE MOST HOLY, AND WHATEVER TOUCHES THEM WILL BE HOLY.
ANOINT AARON AND HIS SONS AND CONSECRATE THEM SO THEY MAY SERVE ME AS PREISTS. SAY TO THE ISRAELITES, "THIS IS TO BE MY SACRED ANOINTING OIL FOR THE GENERATIONS TO COME. DO NOT POUR IT ON MEN'S BODIES AND DO NOT MAKE ANY OIL WITH THE SAME FORMULA. IT IS SACRED, AND YOU ARE TO CONSIDER IT SACRED. WHOEVER MAKES PERFUME LIKE IT AND WHOEVER PUTS IT ON ANYONE OTHER THAN A PREIST MUST BE CUT OFF FROM HIS PEOPLE."
EXODUS 30:22-33

THE PRIESTS OF POT
The above Old testament passage makes the sacredness of this ointment quite clear. Moses and the Levite priesthood jealously guarded its use, and enforced this discriminatory prohibition with God's commandment that any transgressors be 'cut off from his people'. This law amounted to a death sentence in the ancient world.
SMOKE IN THE TENT
Lacking the invention of pipes, it was the practice of some ancient peoples to burn cannabis and other herbs in tents, so that more smoke could be captured and inhaled. In the last installment of this column we discussed such a group, the ancient Scythians. The Scythians were a nomadic people who travelled and settled extensively throughout Europe, the Mediterranean, Central Asia, and Russia. They burned cannabis inside small tents and inhaled the fumes for ritualistic and recreational purposes.
Moses and his priests burned incense and used the holy ointment in a portable 'tent of meeting', the famous Tent of the Tabernacle. As cannabis is listed directly as an incense later in the Bible, it seems likely that Moses and the Levite priesthood would have burned cannabis flowers and pollen along with the ointment and incense which God commanded them to make.
AND AARON SHALL BURN INCENSE EVERY MORNING: WHEN HE DRESSETH THE LAMPS, HE SHALL BURN INCENSE UPON IT. AND WHEN AARON LIGHTETH THE LAMPS AT EVEN, HE SHALL BURN INCENSE UPON IT, A PERPETUAL INCENSE BEFORE THE LORD THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS.
EXODUS 30:8-10
THE SCYTHIAN CONNECTION
Given that the Scythians and Israelites were involved in a trade of goods and knowledge, it is not surprising to find the similar technique of using tents to retain smoke. Benet commented on the often overlooked connections between these two groups.
The Scythians participated in both trade and wars alongside the ancient Semites for at least one millennium before Herodotus encountered them in the fifth century BC. The reason for the confusion and relative obscurity of the role played by the Scythians in world history is the fact that they were known to the Greeks as Scythians but to the Semites as Ashkenaz.
The earliest reference to the Ashkenaz people appears in the Bible in Genesis 10:3, where Ashkenaz, their progenitor, is named the son of Gomer, the great-grandson of Noah.

GOD WITHIN A CLOUD
A reading of the Old Testament reveals that Yahweh "came to Moses out of the midst of the cloud" and that this cloud came from smoke produced by the burning of incense. As scholar Ralph Patai commented in his book The Hebrew Goddess, "Yahweh merely put in temporary appearances in the tent of meeting. He was a visiting deity whose appearance in or departure from the tent was used for oracular purposes."
One is reminded of the ancient Persian sage Zoroaster, another monotheist like Moses, who heard the voice of his god, Ahura Mazda, while in a state of shamanistic ecstasy produced by cannabis. The Greek oracle of Delphi also revealed her prophecies from behind a veil of intoxicating smoke.
The insights achieved from the use of cannabis, whether inhaled in the Tent of the Tabernacle or applied topically, could have been interpreted by Moses as messages from God. This is similar to modern shamans who interpret their experiences with plant hallucinogens as containing divine revelations.
CANNABIS CONCIOUSNESS
In issue #1 of CANNABIS CANADA, we discussed a book by Julian Jaynes called The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. Jaynes offers an interesting explanation of how the development of consciousness may have taken place. Although he failed to fully recognize the strong role that plant-drugs may have played in the development of consciousness (7), Jaynes did come up with a most revolutionary theory.
In his book, Jaynes claims that ancient people were not as fully conscious and self-aware as modern humans. Being unable to introspect, they experienced their own higher cognitive functioning as auditory hallucinations - the voices of gods, actually heard as in the Old Testament or the Iliad - which told a person what to do in circumstances of novelty or stress.
GOD SAID TO MOSES, I AM THAT I AM. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TO SAY TO THE ISREALITES: 'I AM HAS SENT ME TO YOU.'
EXODUS 3:14
I AM THAT I AM
Could the commandments given by God to Moses and other Biblical prophets have been the early beginnings of full human self-awareness? Cannabis has its own unique receptor sites in the human brain, located in the areas governing higher thinking and memory. Could it be that deep interior thought grew out of language and the use of psychoactive plants like cannabis? And that the first prototypes of this ability for deep interior thinking, an ability we now take for granted, would have been considered Prophets? Would this make God's commandments any less sacred?
In light of this information, is not the above statement more believable as the birth words of Judaic consciousness, rather than as the commandment of an omnipotent God?
The Second Appearance
of Cannabis
The next Biblical account of cannabis comes under the name kaneh and appears in relation to King Solomon. In Solomon's Song of Songs, one of the most beautifully written pieces in the Old Testament, Solomon mentions kaneh in describing his bride.
COME WITH ME FROM LEBANON, MY BRIDE, COME WITH ME FROM LEBANON. DESCEND FROM THE CREST OF AMANA, FROM THE TOP OF SENIR, THE SUMMIT OF HERMON. . .
HOW DELIGHTFUL IS YOUR LOVE, MY SISTER, MY BRIDE! HOW MUCH MORE PLEASING IS YOUR LOVE THAN WINE, AND THE FRAGRANCE OF YOUR OINTMENT THAN ANY SPICE!. . .
THE FRAGRANCE OF YOUR GARMENTS IS LIKE THAT OF LEBANON. . .
YOUR PLANTS ARE AN ORCHARD OF POMEGRANATES WITH CHOICE FRUITS, WITH HENNA AND NARD, NARD AND SAFFRON, KANEH AND CINNAMON, WITH EVERY KIND OF INCENSE TREE.
SONG OF SONGS 4:8-14
THE GARDEN OF THE GODDESS
The ancients worshiped the Goddess as a nude female image, the earth they lived on and the nature around them. The fertile rays of the sun on the earth was thought of as God's fertilization of the Great Mother. In light of this symbolism, it is not surprising to find Solomon's Song to be full of both erotic and vegetative imagery .

In The Woman's Book of Myths and Secrets, Feminist Scholar Barbara Walker explains
the Old Testament 'Ashera' is translated 'grove', without any explanation that the sacred grove represented the Goddess, genital center, birthplace of all things. In the matriarchal period, Hebrews worshiped the Goddess in groves (1 Kings 14:23), later cut down by patriarchal reformers who burned the bones of Ashera's priests on their own altars (2 Chronicles 24:4-5).
SOLOMON AND THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN
In The Temple and the Lodge by Baigent and Leigh, the authors state that Solomon's 'Song of Songs' is a hymn and invocation to the Phoenician mother goddess Astarte. Astarte was known as "Queen of Heaven", "Star of the Sea" and "Stella Marris".
The authors show us that Astarte was conventionally worshiped on mountains and hilltops, and then point to a quote from I Kings 3:3.
SOLOMON LOVED YAHWEH; HE FOLLOWED THE PRECEPTS OF DAVID HIS FATHER, EXCEPT THAT HE OFFERED SACRIFICE AND INCENSE ON THE HIGH PLACES.
I Kings 11:4-5 offers an even more explicit example of Solomon's ties to Astarte.
WHEN SOLOMON GREW OLD HIS WIVES SWAYED HIS HEART TO OTHER GODS; AND HIS HEART WAS NOT WHOLLY WITH YAHWEH HIS GOD AS HIS FATHER DAVID'S HAD BEEN. SOLOMON BECAME A FOLLOWER OF ASTARTE, THE GODDESS OF THE SIDONIANS.
THE SPIRIT OF THE SCYTHIANS
Solomon's practice of burning incense on high to the Queen of Heaven may have been a custom done in the same spirit as that of the Scythians, who burned cannabis in mountain caves and consecrated the act to their version of the Great Goddess, Tabiti-Hestia (9).
Archeological finds show that the worship of the old Canaanite gods was an integral part of the religion of the Hebrews, through to the very end of Hebrew monarchy. The worship of the Goddess played a much more important role in this popular religion than that of the gods.
The Third Reference
to Cannabis
GOD WANTS HERB
The next direct reference to kaneh-bosm appears in Isaiah, where God is reprim anding the Israelites for, among other things, not supplying him with his due of the Holy Herb.
YOU HAVE NOT BROUGHT ANY KANEH FOR ME, OR LAVISHED ON ME THE FAT OF YOUR SACRIFICES. BUT YOU HAVE BURDENED ME WITH YOUR SINS AND WEARIED ME WITH YOUR OFFENCES.
ISAIAH 43:23-24
A HOUSEFUL OF SMOKE

An excerpt from earlier in Isaiah indicates that God's appetite had previously been appeased, and "the house was filled with smoke..."
AND THE POSTS OF THE DOOR MOVED AT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT CRIED, AND THE HOUSE WAS FILLED WITH SMOKE
THEN SAID I, WOE IS ME, FOR I AM UNDONEL BECAUSE I AM A MAN OF UNCLEAN LIPS, AND I DWELL IN THE MIDST OF A PEOPLE OF UNCLEAN LIPS; FOR MINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS.
THEN FLEW ONE OF THE SERAPHIMS UNTO ME, HAVING A LIVE COAL IN HIS HAND, WHICH HE HAD TAKEN WITH THE TONGS FROM OFF THE ALTAR,
AND HE LAID IT UPON MY MOUTH AND SAID, LO, THIS HATH TOUCHED THY LIPS; AND THYNE INIQUITY IS TAKEN AWAY, AND THY SIN PURGED.
ISAIAH 6:4-7
EATING ANGELS
In The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, Scholar John M. Allegro points out that ancient peoples believed psychoactive plants to be living gateways to other realms, and thought of them as angels. The Greek and Hebrew equivalent of the word angel literally means messenger or worker of miracles.
SHAMANS IN DISGUISE
It seems much more believable that the winged beings which appeared to Isaiah and other Biblical prophets were not actual angels (10), but rather ancient shamans, wearing elaborate costumes and enacting trance inducing rituals, all enhanced by the use of cannabis smoke and psychotropic compounds like anamita muscaria, mandrake, and others.
This type of ritual initiation was common in the ancient middle east, and often involved the use of winged costumes and masks like those the early European explorers would find the aboriginal peoples of the world still using thousands of years later.
DRINKING IN THE HOLY SMOKE
Seraphim translates as "smoke drinker," and those of us familiar with hashish know that it burns in a similar way to both incense and coal. It isn't hard to imagine an ancient shaman lifting a burning coal of hashish or pressed bud to the lips of the ancient prophet Isaiah.
Isaiah, upon having the coal lifted to his lips, had his iniquity taken away and his sins purged. This is comparable to the way in which the Hindu sadhus lift their chillums to their third eye and exclaim "Boom Shiva," an act indicating their loss of ego and oneness with Shiva.
The Fourth
Reference to
Cannabis
KANEH FROM A DISTANT LAND
The fourth appearance of cannabis in the Old Testament is in Jeremiah, by which time it seems that Yahweh's taste for the herb had declined. In the same way that God rejected Cain's offering of grain in favour of Abel's blood sacrifice, the cannabis also is rejected.
WHAT DO I CARE ABOUT INCENSE FROM SHEBA OR KANEH FROM A DISTANT LAND? YOUR BURNT OFFERINGS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE; YOUR SACRIFICES DO NOT PLEASE ME.
JERIMIAH 6: 20
The Final
Reference
to Cannabis
TRADING WITH TYRE
The final Biblical reference to kaneh appears in Ezekiel 27, in a passage called A Lament for Tyre. The kingdom of Tyre had fallen into disfavor with Yahweh, and cannabis appears as just one of many of the wares received by Tyre, the merchant of peoples on many coasts.
Both of these passages refer obliquely back to the story of King Solomon. The mention of Sheba brings to mind Solomon's love affair with the Queen of Sheba, and the King of Tyre played a pivotal role in Solomon's building of the temple.
DANITES AND GREEKS FROM UZAL BOUGHT YOUR MERCHANDISE; THEY EXCHANGED WROUGHT IRON, CASSIA AND KANEH FOR YOUR WARES.
EZEKIEL 27:19
FROM FAVOUR TO DISFAVOUR
Of these five references to kaneh and kaneh-bosm, the first three have cannabis appear in Yahweh's favour, the fourth definitely in his disfavour, and the fifth on a list from a kingdom that had fallen from grace in the eyes of the Israelite God. One might wonder at the reason for these apparent contradictions, and the answer can be found within the story of the suppression of the cult of Ashera, or Astarte, the ancient Queen of Heaven.
In The Chalice and the Blade, Riane Eisler explains this as follows:
There are of course some allusions to this in the Bible itself. The prophets Ezra, Hosea, Nehemiah, and Jeremiah constantly rail against the "abomination" of worshipping other gods. They are particularly outraged at those who still worship the "Queen of Heaven". And their greatest wrath is against the "unfaithfulness of the daughters of Jerusalem," who were understandably "backsliding" to beliefs in which all temporal and spiritual authority was not monopolized by men. But other than such occasional, and always pejorati ve, passages, there is no hint that there ever was - or could be - a deity that is not male.
The ties between cannabis and the Queen of Heaven are probably most apparent in Jeremiah 44, where the ancient patriarch seems to be concerned by the people's continuing worship of the Queen of Heaven, especially by the burning of incense in her honour.
Keep in mind the documented use of cannabis by the shamanistic Ashera priestesses of pre-reformation Jerusalem, who anointed their skins with cannabis mixtures as well as burning it as incense.
THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS, THE GOD OF ISRAEL; YE HAVE SEEN ALL THE EVIL THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UPON JERUSALEM, AND UPON ALL THE CITIES OF JUDAH; AND BEHOLD, THIS DAY THEY ARE A DESOLATION. . .
BECAUSE OF THEIR WICKEDNESS WHICH THEY HAVE COMMITTED TO PROVOKE ME TO ANGER, IN THAT THEY WANTED TO BURN INCENSE, AND TO SERVE OTHER GODS. . .
THEREFORE NOW. . . WHEREFORE COMMIT YE THIS GREAT EVIL AGAINST YOUR SOULS. . . IN THAT YE PROVOKE ME TO WRATH WITH THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS, BURNING INCENSE UNTO OTHER GODS IN THE LAND OF EGYPT?
THEN ALL THE MEN WHICH KNEW THAT THEIR WIVES HAD BURNED INCENSE UNTO OTHER GODS, AND ALL THE WOMEN THAT STOOD BY, A GREAT MULTITUDE, EVEN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DWELT IN THE LAND OF EGYPT, ANSWERED JEREMIAH, SAYING,
AS FOR THE WORD THAT THOU HAST SPOKEN UNTO US IN THE NAME OF THE LORD, WE WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO THEE.
BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY DO WHATSOEVER THING GOETH FORTH OUT OF OUR OWN MOUTH, TO BURN INCENSE UNTO THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, AND TO POUR DRINK OFFERINGS UNTO HER, AS WE HAVE DONE. WE, AND OUR FATHERS, OUR KINGS, AND OUR PRINCES, IN THE CITY OF JUDAH, AND IN THE STREETS OF JERUSALEM: FOR THEN WE HAD PLENTY OF VICTUALS, AND WERE WELL, AND SAW NO EVIL.
JEREMIAH 44:15-23

BIBLICAL PROHIBITION
Jeremiah's reference to the previous kings and princes that burned incense t o the Queen of Heaven can be seen as referring to King Solomon, his son Rehoboam, and other Biblical kings and prophets.
Other key Biblical figures in the prohibition of cannabis use and the worship of the Queen of Heaven include King Hezekiah and his great-grandson Josiah.
II Kings 18:4 reports of Hezekiah that:
HE REMOVED THE HIGH PLACES, AND BRAKE THE IMAGES, AND CUT DOWN THE ASHERAS, AND BRAKE INTO PIECES THE BRAZEN SERPENT THAT MOSES HAD MADE; FOR UNTO THOSE DAYS THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL DID BURN INCENSE TO IT:
AND HE CALLED IT NEHUSHTAN.
BREAKING THE SERPENT
The interesting thing about this passage is that the Ark of the covenant does not contain the ten commandments of the law of Moses, rather it holds Nehushtan, a brass serpent. The serpent is a frequent component in early representations of the goddess.
The Bible reports that the kings before Hezekiah "set up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree; And there they burnt incense in all the high places..."(1Kings 17) So did the kings who reigned after Josiah, who was killed in battle in 609 BC. According to The Columbia History of the World, Josiah's defeat seems to have been taken as proof of the error of his ways... the later prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel show polytheism back in practice."
A FORGED BOOK OF LAW
The Book of the Law, which makes up most of Deuteronomy and Leviticus, was used to prohibit the worship of the Goddess and instill the death penalty for the burning of incense. Although it was supposedly written by Moses, it was not discovered until some 600 years after Moses' death.
In Green Gold, Judy Osburn follows the suggestion that the Book of the Law may have been a forgery committed by the Hebrew priesthood with the hope of eradicating the competing temples and their deities, which were getting more sacrifices from the people than was the temple of Yahweh.
Osburn quotes Occidental Mythology by theologian Joseph Campbell, as stating that, before the discovery of the Book of the Law,
neither kings nor people had paid attention whatsoever to the law of Moses which, indeed, they had not even known. They had been devoted to the normal deities of the nuclear Near east, with all the usual cults...
Up until that time the Hebrew people worshiped in the old ways, practicing their cult in open places on peaks and hills and mountains, and even caves below.
The mysterious discovery of the Book of the Law took place during the reign of King Josiah. Once informed of the new regulations, Josiah's wrath against the incense burners was far harsher than that of his great-grandfather Hezekiah. The Bible describes his actions as follows.
AND THE KING COMMANDED HILKIAH THE HIGH PREIST. . . TO BRING FORTH OUT OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ALL THE VESSELS THAT WERE MADE FOR BAAL AND FOR ASHERAH, AND FOR ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN: AND HE BIRNED THEM OUTSIDE JERUSALEM IN THE FIELDS OF KIDRON. . .
AND HE PUT DOWN THE IDOLATROUS PRIESTS, WHOM THE KINGS OF JUDAH HAD ORDAINED TO BURN INCENSE IN THE HIGH PLACES IN THE CITIES OF JUDAH, AND IN THE PLACES ROUND ABOUT JERUSALEM; THEM ALSO THAT BURNED INCENSE UNTO BAAL, TO THE SUN, AND TO THE MOON, AND TO THE PLANETS, AND TO ALL THE HOST OF HEAVEN.
AND HE BROUGHT OUT THE ASHERAH FROM THE HOUSE OF THE LORD, OUTSIDE JERUSALEM. . . AND BURNED IT AT THE BROOK KIDRON, AND STAMPED IT SMALL TO POWDER. . . AND HE BROUGHT ALL THE PRIESTS OUT OF THE CITIES OF JERUSALEM, AND DEFILED THE HIGH PLACES WHERE THE PRIESTS HAD BURNED INCENSE. . .
AND THE HIGH PLACES THAT WERE BEFORE JERUSALEM. . . WHICH SOLOMON THE KING OF ISRAEL HAD BUILDED FOR ASHTORETH THE ABOMINATION OF THE ZIDONIANS. . . DID THE KING DEFILE. AND HE BRAKE IN PIECES THE IMAGES, AND CUT DOWN THE GROVES, AND FILLED THEIR PLACES WITH THE BONES OF MEN.
AND HE SLEW ALL THE PRIESTS OF THE HIGH PLACES THAT WERE UPON THE ALTARS, AND BURNED MEN'S BONES UPON THEM, AND RETURNED TO JERUSALEM. . .
AND LIKE UNTO HIM WAS THERE NO KING BEFORE HIM, THAT TURNED TO THE LORD WITH ALL HIS HEART, AND WITH ALL HIS SOUL, AND WITH ALL HIS MIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSESL NEITHER AFTER HIM AROSE THERE ANY LIKE HIM.
2 KINGS 23

SEPERATION FROM THE SHEKINAH
The Goddess returned to the Hebrew faith somewhat later in a form of Jewish mysticism called the Cabala. This teaches that the Shekinah is the female soul of God, who couldn't be perfect until he was reunited with her. Cabalists believed that it was God's loss of his Shekinah that brought about all evils. In some traditions the Shekinah is seen as the pillar of smoke that guided the wandering nation of Israel during its Exodus from Egypt.
THE RETURN OF THE GODDESS
Our separation from the ancient Goddess and the denial of her ecstasies could well be seen as the root cause of humanity's separation from nature, both our own and that of the world around us. Perhaps the Goddess' ancient spirit won't fully be restored until her children begin to respect and heal her abused body the Earth, return to her sacred groves in dance and worship, and are free to once again burn the holy incense of kaneh-bosm in her honor and praise.
It would seem that the spirit of Ashera's ancient incense burners has returned, in the form of the modern-day smoke-in. Once again people of all ages, races, and creeds are gathering together illegally, to celebrate the many benefits and uses of the sacred tree, and to burn holy incense in protest, as did the defiant crowd before Jeremiah so long ago.
CANNABIS AND THE CHRIST?
But what of the Bible's new Testament? Was Jesus a secret imbiber of the herb, or did he continue on with the harsh prohibition of cannabis, instituted with the zeal of Hezekiah, Josiah and Jeremiah? For the answer to those questions, you'll have to order a copy of Green Gold, or wait for a distant installment of When Smoke gets in my I.
BOOM SHIVA! BOOM SHAKTI!
HARI HARI GUNJA!


BIBLIOGRAPHY
The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler; Harper Row; 1987.
Early Diffusions and Folk Uses of Hemp by Sula Benet; Reprinted in Cannabis and Culture edited by Vera Rubin; Mouton; 1975.
Flesh of the Gods edited by P T Furst; Praeger; 1972.
Green Gold the Tree of Life; Marijuana in Magic and Religion by Chris Bennet, Judy Osburne, & Lynn Osburne; Access Unlimited; 1995.
The Hebrew Goddess by Raphael Patai; Avon Books; 1967.
Marihuana: The First Twelve Thousand Years by Ernest Abel; Plenum Press; 1980.
Marijuana and the Bible edited by Jeff Brown; The Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church; 1981.
Occidental Mythology by Joseph Campbell; Penguin Books; 1982.
The Origins of Consciousness in the Break down of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes; Houghton Mifflin Company; 1976.
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John M. Allegro; Double day; 1969.
Techniques of High Magic, by King and Skinner; Destiny Books; 1976.
The Temple and the Lodge by Baignet and Leigh; Corgy Books; 1989.
The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets by Barbara G. Walker; Harper Collins; 1983.

ENDNOTES
1 In 1903, British physician Dr. C. Creighton wrote Indications of the Hashish Vice in the Old Testament, in which he concluded that several references to cannabis can be found in the Old Testament. Examples are the "honeycomb" referred to in the Song of Solomon, 5:1, and the "honeywood" in I Samuel 14: 25-45. Creighton also suggested that Saul's madness, Jonathan's and Samson's strength, and the first chapter of Ezekiel are all to be explained by the use of cannabis. (back)
2 All quotations from Sula Benet in this article are taken from Early Diffusions and Folk Uses of Hemp, reprinted in Cannabis and Culture, Vera Rubin, Ed. (back)
3 At this same point in history, 300 BC, a group which would become known as the Gnostics was formed. The Gnostics (meaning knowledge) were a symbiosis of Judaic, Zoroastrian and Neo-Platonic thought, and claimed direct knowledge of the divine.
The Sufis, a group that is said to be an offshoot of Gnostic knowledge, use a similar term for cannabis: khaneh. (back)
4 In Techniques of High Magic, authors King and Skinner list the following astral projection ointment from the 1890's: lanolin - 5 ounces; hashish - 1 ounce; hemp flowers - 1 handful; poppy flowers - 1 handful; hellebore - 1/2 handful. In 1615, Italian physician and demonologist Giovanni De Ninault listed hemp as the main ingredient in the ointments and unguents used by the "Devil's followers". (back)
5 As in Raphael Patai's The Hebrew Goddess, published by Avon Books in 1967. (Quoted in The Once and Future Goddess, by Elinor W Gadon, Harper & Row, 1989.) (back)
6 William A.Emboden Jr., Ritual Use of Cannabis Sativa L.: A Historic-Ethnographic Survey, printed in Flesh of the Gods, edited by P.T.Furst, published by Praeger in 1972. (back)
7 An idea which is fully explored in Terence McKenna's Food of the Gods, published by Bantam in 1992. (back)
8 For more information on Bible erotica see The X-Rated Bible; An Irrevent Survey of Sex in the Scriptures, by Ben Edward Akerley. (back)
9 For more information on the Scythian use of cannabis see the second installment of this series in Cannabis Canada number 2. (back)
10 Wings on gods or angels can be seen as symbolizing the ability to travel between the 'two worlds'. For example, the Greek god Hermes, who's winged feet enabled him to act as messenger between men and gods. (back)

LOVE GOD

 

[HeartCore]

To my mind, its all open for translation. Where GOD sees weed puffing Moses, some godhatesamerica.com affiliate may see a reason to strike at homosexuals.

Where catholic church sees a guy dying on the cross for our sins, john Allegro saw a mushroomcult where Jesus was used as a story to hide their cult.

For thousands of years before Christ, his story was already told, and again, and again. Sometimes with other names, sometimes the same. Can it be coincidental that El Azarus was raised from the dead by the son of God two thousand years before Jesus sucked the milk from Maria's immaculate nipples and saved Lazarus from the dead some years after that?

Anyone who wants to find proof of drug use in the bible, should go ahead and learn the ancient languages. Become the best and do your own translations. One of the greatest translators has said a number of times: the bible is completely wrong translated. That's a fact, at least, it is to my mind

Anyway, all 'great' religions where based on drugs before they became priesthoods without spiritual meaning.

love/peace,
HC

PS You didnt actually spent a WEEK on that post GOD ?

 

[GOD]

I dont want to cause trouble , i`m doing my best to be helpfull and friendly , please can you be patient with me and if i make any mistakes or am unintentionaly objectionable please try to help me to get it right without insulting me or baiting me over and over again . I have been told you all have offered me help , said that you want to be friendly here , so do i . Can you please show me that friendlyness and help from now on ? I will do my best to do that with you to . I have said that i will change my styl , will you please give me the chance to do that and stop the witch hunt ? You know that i get very upset when people take swipes at my personality instead of talking about what i say . What about the people who have offered me help giving me help ? Why doesnt someone say next time that someone has a go at me "Hey , leave him alone , give him a chance , hes on his knees , hes hurting , stop kicking him when he is down , hes told us that he is so upset that he cant eat , sleep or shit and that he is dissabled , maybe thats why he cant understand what we expect from him " ?

High Hartcore , thanks for the humerous note to me , hopefully the idea will catch on with a few others here ? No i didnt spend a week on my last post and i dont agree with all of the things that it says either , it was meant as a small snack for those who hadnt got the information that we have . I think that some of what he says can be interpreted in a diferent way , and i totaly agree with what you have said about the bible and about its translations and the " priesthoods without spiritual meaning." . I think you have put it very elequently but i didnt understand what you said about homosexuals ? Are there any homophobic people here ? Or people who are anti american ? , i`m definately not as i have said here a few times before . I have something against the foreign policy that can be inflicted on the rest of the world , and the american people , by one man , against the will of the majority .

Hey lumian thanks for the input about LSA ( as far as i have learned LSA can stand for lysergic acid or for lysergic acid amides ? ) into the discussion . I had been waiting for that and thats why i kept mentioning LSA a few times earlyer in this thread and why i didnt want to go into the bit you said about J.Allegro before Hartcore . I totaly agree with you , Allegro was the best bible expert of his day and the anomalies he found in the scriptures and wrote about in his book are undenyable . But what you and others have said in this thread prove him wrong i think . If i can please explain my thoughts ? Allegro thought for years about what he had learned but he could not put it into one coherant theory untill R.G.Wasson had , the now proven to be incorect , theory that Flyagaric were involved in a world wide cult . that all the cultures that had things in them that could be atributed to drugs could be put down to flyagaric . Allegro jumped on the theory and annouced a few years later that all the anomalies that he had found meant that there was a secret Flyagaric cult throughout the bible . We have talked about opium , canabis and LSA uptill now , that they were obviously used by the jews in that period . The jewish religeon admits those drugs were comonly used but it totaly denies that there was a Flyagaric cult . Experts like J.Ott point out that Allegro wasnt an ethnologist , or a biologist , or an anthropologist and that there are next to no Flyagaric in the area as there are very few places where it could grow there . The silver birch trees and the other trees that it lives in symbiosis with are rare there . Its also to hot . Then they point out the fact that there are more Psilocybin mushrooms in the area than there are Flyagaric . When one reads Allegros book one sees that he is very good at the bible bit but very unscientific with how he draws parales between and / or talks about fertility cults , phalic symbols and Flyagaric . He proposes that as the area is full of shepards they must have known about the Flyagaric and started a Flyagaric cult . I dont understand why he should think that they would only have discovered Flyagaric and not the Psilocybin mushrooms , the canabis or the DMT containing plants wich are much more present in the area . Especialy as one only has to make a fire to get high on two of them . The Clark Heinrich book caries on where Allegro left off . They both see circumsision as an indication of the use of Flyagaric and say that cutting off the forskin represents the cutting off of the caps of Flyagaric . I dont understand why anyone who wants to use a psychosctive mushroom that is very rare should only use the heads and not allso the stems wich allso contain the drug part , but not in the same concentrations ? I think Henrich is not as carefull as Allegro , he keeps saying that the bible says so and so , when he means that he thinks what it says means what he says . He also talks about the subject of circumsision in a much more graphic way and seems to resent it . Thats where i got the bit about circumsision that i wrote in another thread here . Amongst othere things i thought that it might remind someone of his work and then about the LSA . For those that havent got acess to his book :- He proposes that one of the plages that moses brought onto the egyptians , the story of the feeding of the five thousand and the story about jesus turning water into wine could only be scientificaly atributed to the effects of Clavicepts Paspalum wich can grow on mediteranian Paspalum grass . C.Paspalum contains hallucinogenic cold water soluable chemicals acording to albert hofmann and does not have the same negative poisoning effects as C.Purpurea does like ergotism . Hofmann says that the orakel at eleusius in greece was based on C.Paspalum and it is generaly recognised that the greeks got their medical knowledge from mykanos and that they got theirs from the egyptians .

What do you all think ? Has anyone got any more ideas ? Anything to say or to add ? I think that the only other reference to drugs in the bibles , besides mandragora , partly centers around the manna storey . Has anyone any ideas about that please ? Does anyone know of any books that contain information about manna as a drug ?