What is enlightenment ?

[BrainEater]

enlightenment is realizing there is no such thing as enlightenment.

the best definition of enlightment until now. :weedman:

 

[GOD]

"enlightenment is realizing there is no such thing as enlightenment."

That contradicts itself , history , philosophy and human experience .

 

[gammagoblin]

enlightenment is realizing there is no such thing as enlightenment.

If that's your ultimate truth good luck with that, I stay with mine

 

[BrainEater]

enlightenment is realizing there is no such thing as enlightenment.

If that's your ultimate truth good luck with that, I stay with mine

best definition of subjectivity until now! :weedman:

 

[Oknayd]

I never said its my ultimate truth, i don't have an ultimate truth actually.. how the hell could one have such a thing ?
I agree with a lot that has been said, especially about social conditioning and living from the heart.
I guess i don't really like the term enlightenment, whats more important for me is being alive and as conscious as possible i think.... hard to conceptualize into words actually..

@ god, i think you took my sentence too literally, i guess what i was indicating was letting go of the idea of attaining enlightenment and all those systems of thought thats behind it. there is no goal

just my 2 cents

 

[restin]

In Herman Hesses Novel, Sidharrtha had the possibility of following a buddha to the way of enlightenment. But he said, that he could only reach enlightenment if he would follow his own path. That's the first step to enlightenment.

 

[GOD]

" i don't have an ultimate truth actually"

Or do you mean you havent looked for one / it and havent experienced it / one ?

"whats more important for me is being alive and as conscious as possible i think"

I think enlightenment is being as conscious as possible .

" hard to conceptualize into words actually.. "

I think its something that cant be adequately described with words , that it can only be experienced .

"there is no goal "

I think that life is a nice game to play for most people but that enlightenment is the ultimate goal .

 

[gammagoblin]

I think that life is a nice game to play for most people but that enlightenment is the ultimate goal .

But that makes enlightenment something to be achieved, couldn't it be something which just inside of you, but which you overlook pretty fast? Cause actually I think enlightenment isn't such a big deal, I think we're all meant to be enlightened.

 

[GOD]

Exactly my thoughts .

 

[BrainEater]

I think that life is a nice game to play for most people but that enlightenment is the ultimate goal .

But that makes enlightenment something to be achieved, couldn't it be something which just inside of you, but which you overlook pretty fast? Cause actually I think enlightenment isn't such a big deal, I think we're all meant to be enlightened.

i think as soon as you attach the symbol of "goal" to enlightment, you sort of "actively prevent" your "enlightening".

 

[GOD]

I dont . If you dont look you wont find unless you are given it as a present and i think that that is very , very rare . I think its something that one must work on , work towards if one wants to find it ..

 

[Oknayd]

" i don't have an ultimate truth actually"

"Or do you mean you havent looked for one / it and havent experienced it / one ?"

hmm hard question, it really depends on what you understand as ultimate truth, for me this is all linguistical mumbo jumbo
I have had a very interesting expierence where i broke through something in myself and i felt for about 3 months completely and absolutely free/harmonious with my environment. there was no real conflict/chatter in the mind and i felt something i would describe as deep intense sorrow and joy at the same time, but i could still function and was very calm (ie i wasnt an emotional wreck)
Contact with other people and strangers was more truthful and with open heart than before.

"whats more important for me is being alive and as conscious as possible i think"

I think enlightenment is being as conscious as possible .


" hard to conceptualize into words actually.. "

I think its something that cant be adequately described with words , that it can only be experienced .


No disagreeing here ..

"there is no goal "

I think that life is a nice game to play for most people but that enlightenment is the ultimate goal .

Hmm.. but a goal for me implies that it lies in the future, you see? Thats the whole problem, it is Now and Here not There and Then.
To bad minds wants to play too many mindgames sometimes

 

[gammagoblin]

I dont . If you dont look you wont find unless you are given it as a present and i think that that is very , very rare . I think its something that one must work on , work towards if one wants to find it ..

Yes you gotta look, but I think the word work doesn't cover the load very well, I think you could see it more like childsplay. Just discovering.

 

[Oknayd]

I dont . If you dont look you wont find unless you are given it as a present and i think that that is very , very rare . I think its something that one must work on , work towards if one wants to find it ..

I somehwat agree, but more on the working part then on the finding i think.
For some it is working with psychological crap from the past to make gold in the now, for some it is disciplining the mind and opening the heart.

 

[Oknayd]

I dont . If you dont look you wont find unless you are given it as a present and i think that that is very , very rare . I think its something that one must work on , work towards if one wants to find it ..

Yes you gotta look, but I think the word work doesn't cover the load very well, I think you could see it more like childsplay. Just discovering.

lol and now i'm totally in a situation where i don't know whats the back and what's the front... 0_0
I find myself agreeing with you on one side but at the same time agreeing with what i just said... working as in transforming situations and inner conflicts

 

[gammagoblin]

I dont . If you dont look you wont find unless you are given it as a present and i think that that is very , very rare . I think its something that one must work on , work towards if one wants to find it ..

Yes you gotta look, but I think the word work doesn't cover the load very well, I think you could see it more like childsplay. Just discovering.

lol and now i'm totally in a situation where i don't know whats the back and what's the front... 0_0
I find myself agreeing with you on one side but at the same time agreeing with what i just said... working as in transforming situations and inner conflicts

well, disciplining the mind and opening the heart can be fun right? Working with psychological crap is the same story, when you get released from it it feels pretty good. And striving for that's also fun

 

[GOD]

"a goal for me implies that it lies in the future , you see? Thats the whole problem, it is Now and Here not There and Then."

Sorry , some platitudes :- If you havent got it now and you can get it it must lie in the future . I think its natural to want things now but thats what time is about - past , now and future . Now was once the future and the future will sometime be now .

" working as in transforming situations and inner conflicts"

= personal developement , wich i think is one of the goals in life .

 

[Oknayd]

"a goal for me implies that it lies in the future , you see? Thats the whole problem, it is Now and Here not There and Then."

Sorry , some platitudes :- If you havent got it now and you can get it it must lie in the future . I think its natural to want things now but thats what time is about - past , now and future . Now was once the future and the future will sometime be now .

" working as in transforming situations and inner conflicts"

= personal developement , wich i think is one of the goals in life .

true ( i had to look up the word platitudes for a sec)
Wrong choice of words, let's just say 'work with what you've got, starting in the present, not projecting too much into the future' ?

edit: also i think you've already got it, you just don't realize it/cant see through the shit... or am i being a little presumptuous now?

 

[BrainEater]

Enlightment is dying before physical death. Accepting death as the other side of the same coin.


peace.

 

[gammagoblin]

Enlightment is dying before physical death. Accepting death as the other side of the same coin.


peace.

yes, Life is a dream, death is who we really are = one with the cosmos = god, and I think that if you can see life as a dream, you could see enlightenment as lucid dreaming. my 2 cents