The holocaust

[magickmumu]

"I have made up my own propaganda story to tell myself. "

Exactly . So stop it and think

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What do you think i am doing.

 

[Forkbender]

Unite.

 

[magickmumu]

Unity would be the solution. But the Palestinians are paranoid about the Israelis because they have been fucked before.
Hamas want's to destroy the state of Israel.

 

[Forkbender]

Yes, but the rest of the world would need to unite as well and speak the voice of peace.

 

[GOD]

"Explain education then."

JFC..... it means teaching someone something . That means they learn . If they didnt learn it wasnt education . So forcing people , shoving our morals down their throats isnt education . If they were educated to think for themselves they would understand the concequencys of what they are doing and not do it again .

"I only stated the problem"

Its the same problem that a judge has in every court case and they solve it .

"People have studied politics, sociology, psychology and didn't come to any solution. "

For the same reasons that you lot arent . The solution is obvious and simple .

"What do you think i am doing."

Having a smoke scratching your balls ?

"Unite."

Another good sugestion . Thanks ............ HOW ?

"the rest of the world would need to unite as well and speak the voice of peace."

Allahu Akbar . Thanks again .

 

[Nomada]

Moreover, the trouble in the Middle East is not the only problem we have. Orphans in Asia, the cutting down of rainforests, pollution, hunger, apartheid, animal cruelty, child labour

Situations are given in reference to the system we live in. A system of capital accumulation that's disgregates humans from their nature womb, disgustingly etnocentric, adultocentric, phalocentric, genitocentric sexist, instrumentalist and rationally contracted is exclusive of any attempt to heal.

I propose two levels, heavily interconnected:
1. The economic, political system must be completely reconstructed to eliminate this bipolarities. The thing is, they who own the system have all the guns and the missiles and the walls at their disposal.
2. The collective mind must be thrown out of its ossification, cultural programing that determines people to think that nothing is wrong. That you are an "individual" and nothing else and that therefore, all you need to change is yourself, to "awaken" from this silly dream. SICK NONSENSE. I imply you. You imply me. We are collective. Leave the individual comfort zone and start confronting everyone else on a daily basis. Yes, you'll probably loose some friends...I know I have.
Everything must burn because the Dominator lives everywhere.
We should already be exploring the outskirts of the solar system, on the 57th density cluster of dialectical Spirit and meaning generation but no, we are too busy with the Global Market, competing with one another. Again, let's cut the crap.

Israel is one the mayor fascist productions in the history of everything. It shouldn't exist.

 

[GOD]

Agree . BUT . Its there . We cant deport them , lock them up or punish them for it . The crime is done . We cant erase history . Most of the israelis werent there when that crime was comited . The situation is as it is and it must be solved as it is .

What would solomon have said ? Or alexander ?

 

[magickmumu]

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"What do you think i am doing."

Having a smoke scratching your balls ?



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aranoid: How do you know?


What is happening is very sad.
However I am not going along with the guilt trip you try to push on us.

I am tired right now. But I am curious what you all have to say about the situation.

 

[restin]

I will smoke some weed tonight and think about it, like a real hippie-shit-man would do.

 

[Nomada]

Agree . BUT . Its there . We cant deport them , lock them up or punish them for it . The crime is done . We cant erase history . Most of the israelis werent there when that crime was comited . The situation is as it is and it must be solved as it is .

True.
As to how should it now be solved I'm clueless because both groups are socially walled.

Introduce into discussion the possibility of a joint Palestine-Israel State? Eliminate the [formal] boundary?
This is insufficient also. They are well over that level.



mmmm. This is hard. let me think for a bit

 

[GOD]

I hope when you have slept you wont push the "i`m trying to push a guilt trip on you all" on me anymore . I`m not trying to do that . I`m rubbing your shit in your faces . Your all well educated and so good at this and at that.......especialy ignoring the things where you have to think , make desisions , change . It takes a lot of effort to ignore the war/crimes against the palastinian people . The world stood up against vietnam after a few years . Could it be that the world shits it self in its pants when it has to make desisions that the israelis then call anti-semitic ? That it would rather ignore genocide ?


..........2012........= change...........the change starts in us.......... = we stop doing the things that have fucked us and the planet = ignoring things , not asking why , not protesting , being cowards ........ BEING DISSHONEST .




"What did you do dad when the palistinians were wiped out ? "

 

[Nomada]

I hope when you have slept you wont push the "i`m trying to push a guilt trip on you all" on me anymore . I`m not trying to do that . I`m rubbing your shit in your faces .

+1
It is indeed our shit.

 

[GOD]

"Introduce into discussion the possibility of a joint Palestine-Israel State? Eliminate the [formal] boundary? "

There is no other alternative . As history is showing either they live together or they die together .


If the world was a family and all the people your children what would you all do to stop the problem ? Heal the wounds ? STOP IT ?

 

[Nomada]

two fronts: ideological (education, campaign, mobilization) for cultural legitimization and a Political (Power, influence) front following to attempt to "formalize" it.

The walls are thorny though. Those schizophrenic monotheistic relogeons are impressive social disagregators and humanity assassins.

 

[Forkbender]

Educate them?

 

[GOD]

OK Ideological , political , formulisation . But why should they listen ? Why should they change ? What would stop them waiting a bit and doing it again ?

Someone say something concrete .

 

[Nomada]

"Educate them?"


^^ One needs to complete that term because "educating" may just mean to "program". Education may just mean narrowing heads. Have you read, for example, Gramsci?

Educating as in showing the partiality of the human ideologies, educate to educate [themselves and ourselves], and the siblings that may come after this. Educate not to obey the cultural boundaries, but to acknowledge the collective ability to produce ourselves, and by extension, to destroy us.

There are no teachers and students, in classes where one speaks and the others listen attentively. Thats plain fascism.

We are all just involved in one big learning experience called reality.

However as stated before. In doesn't, by far, end in an education movement. It must acknowledge political and economical resonances. viva la revolución.

 

[Forkbender]

I don't know. If I knew, I would have followers. (Where are the rose petals, by the way?).

Instilling fear or punishing them obviously won't work (see: history, it will only escalate). They would have to recognize what it is they are actually doing, but I don't know how we can accomplish that.

 

[Forkbender]

On education.

Education comes from the Latin e-ducere, to lead out. It has a meaning to teach people about life and help them when they cannot do it by themselves yet. Freedom should be central to the education, because it is not a matter of content of what is learned (dogma, theories, worldview, "facts"), but of what people learn about themselves in the process. Leading someone out doesn't mean replicating the self, but it means to lead him out the door into the open field of freedom.

I didn't read Gramsci, btw.

 

[Nomada]

OK Ideological , political , formulisation . But why should they listen ? Why should they change ? What would stop them waiting a bit and doing it again ?

Someone say something concrete .

What is concrete? well....sociality, everyday communication. Stop reproducing the cultural esquematics.

There is no reason as to why they should listen. In their position only through authority. And authority is created through sociality, through cultural institutions, through everyone's body. It's a bet in the end, a socio-political confrontation that may end in anything.
It is that or killing.

They would have to recognize what it is they are actually doing,

They will only recognize what is legitimate within their ken. You change this through................