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OBE's: have you had yours...yet?

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Nobody mentioned Robert Monroe yet? An American who wrote a few books on out of body experiences / astral projection. Very interesting stuff. And for the Dutchies: Sten Oomen, a Dutch woman having regular out of body experiences and writing about this.

@ShaktiXTC: wow, very interesting experiences!
 
I never had an OBE but I'd say there are just dreams, I don't think it's possible for the mind to litteraly separate itself from the body and "fly around".
Every dream is an OBE, every night our mind is dissociated from our body (that's why we don't move when we dream we walk).

I rarely remember my dreams but I'm pretty sure I never dreamed I was someone else, something else or even something not material.
Is it possible ? I mean, maybe that's what a real OBE is, when the imaginated "dream body" is simply not there anymore.
 
Horrigan a dit:
I never had an OBE but I'd say there are just dreams, I don't think it's possible for the mind to litteraly separate itself from the body and "fly around".

so what do you say to people who have had OBEs and can describe accurately what happened afterwards? There are numerous examples of this, several of which happened at operations, like that guy who described what the doctors and nurses were doing to him and this was later corroborated (there's a video with the audio on youtube but I couldn't find it)
 
I've had 5 episodes of amphetamine induced psychosis. The first of which was an OBE. I was taking adderal as prescribed by my parents, I hadn't eaten anything all day, and I was ingesting quite a bit of caffeine throughout the day. No sense stimulus at all the whole day you could say (besides the caffeine) and under extremely high amounts of stress. I goto a pizza place, get a pizza. I take a single bite into the pizza, at the moment I tasted the pizza I felt as if I had been ripped from my body and shot up the distance of myself (head to toe), as if I was a shadow of myself hovering above. This lasted about 20 seconds and scared the shit out of me, I thought I had gone totally insane. This was my 1st drug induced psychedelia. My third episode of psychosis was the worst. Again, same conditions as the 1st experience (lots of caffeine, hadn't eaten all day, EXTREME stress). I was laying in bed with my girlfriend, who was the only person I felt I could rely on at the time. She came into the room and immediately started yelling at me (losing my last piece of peace). All of a sudden my tv stand began stretching taller and smaller. The room began to jut out extending 1 dimension away from me. I got up so I could walk to the corner store to shake it off. The staircase was doing an indescribable number as I walked up it. I get outside and begin walking, i cut across an empty parking lot and around the corner of the building. Immediately as my perception gained sight of round the corner a man approached me. A black bum proclaiming he had my cigarettes and that I had walked like a Snowman. I asked him what he meant and he described the exact brand of cigarettes I had been smoking and the pack I had in my pocket. I became extremely paranoid and tried ending the conversation. He begged me to come with him to an Alcohols Anonymous meeting with him, but the time was 2-3 AM. I then attempted to shake his hand and end the madness but he would NOT allow me to shake his hand or get too close in any fashion. I then told him I needed to get going and he replied "Ok, ill be walking to the
AA building down your street, catch up if you'd like". This man I had never seen in my entire life new which street I lived on, what brand I smoked, that I was on probation and needed to begin attending AA meetings soon, as well as his knowledge of the street I had lived on. I bought what I bought and headed back, never seeing the guy again. I get into my house and the odor of the most foul odor was annihilating my olfactory, I then inquired with my roomies in the room, and were extremely confused and worried about me. I then get into my room and lit up a bowl and eventually the nightmare ended as I fell into the unconscious.

Pharmaceutical companies are pure evil.
ADHD is not a disease or disorder, the populous is just upset that some people can think about many thoughts at once, and we cannot have that can we.
 
Diferentiate . You are talking about 3 different things . Psychosis , dreaming and out of body experiences where people have knowledge of things that happened when they were unconscious that they can not have had by normal standards or when they were clinicaly dead .
 
An OBE can be induced in a deep meditation state, or while dying.

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Horrigan a dit:
I never had an OBE but I'd say there are just dreams, I don't think it's possible for the mind to litteraly separate itself from the body and "fly around".

so what do you say to people who have had OBEs and can describe accurately what happened afterwards? There are numerous examples of this, several of which happened at operations, like that guy who described what the doctors and nurses were doing to him and this was later corroborated (there's a video with the audio on youtube but I couldn't find it)
I can't explain this, maybe the patient was hallucinating, still hearing what the doctors were saying and was also feeling his body, letting him know what was happening in the room and imagine the scene. Don't underestimate the mind ability to imagine photorealistic shapes !

The mind may be a separated entity that can think without using the brain, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily a non-material thing.
 
"The mind may be a separated entity that can think without using the brain, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily a non-material thing."

Acording to science the mind is lokated in the brain . If it isnt and its not a non-material thing where is it lokated ? Are you saying your body can think ? That clinicaly dead bodys can think without their brain ?
 
Horrigan a dit:
Don't underestimate the mind ability to imagine photorealistic shapes !

I agree with you... I don't believe nor disbelieve... though still, there are some outstanding cases. I wish I could show you the video I mentioned but I still can't find it :?
It was just audio of an interview that explained how this patient was able to describe an emergency procedure done on him while anesthetized and the video displayed that drawing of da Vinci of a man inside a skull.

Horrigan a dit:
The mind may be a separated entity that can think without using the brain, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily a non-material thing.

the mind and the brain are the one and the same. How can you have one without the other?
 
GOD a dit:
Acording to science the mind is lokated in the brain . If it isnt and its not a non-material thing where is it lokated ? Are you saying your body can think ? That clinicaly dead bodys can think without their brain ?

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the mind and the brain are the one and the same. How can you have one without the other?

What I mean by "separated" is that the mind may still be thinking while neurons are all inactive. Neurons may just be a way to deal with body movements and the 5 senses.
 
Thinking = electrical activity . No electrical activity = no thinking ....... at least for scientists ???
 
Electrical activity may be related to the body only, not the mind. We can't know for sure if thoughts generate brain activity. If we try an experience with electrodes on the head, the measured electrical activity could be due to the reponse of the body to the thought, not to the thought itself.
 
EEG doesn't prove a direct link between thoughts and brain electrical activity, at least for me.
 
So if the brain doesnt think what does ? Where does it take place ?
 
maybe nowhere and everywhere
in atoms ?
 
Horrigan a dit:
the mind may still be thinking while neurons are all inactive.

but the mind IS the relationship brought about thanks to all those neurons. If all your neurons were inactive you would be dead.
 
GOD a dit:
So if the brain doesn't think what does ? Where does it take place ?
It doesn't take place in a physical organ, cell, atom, quark, gluon, graviton, electric current, or realm. I can tell you that. If you can open eyed visualize a horse with a clown riding on top of it around you in circles, that is not happening in a physical realm (or this realm for that matter). You create your own reality, you don't need a scientific explanation for that. Its Human Nature, and if you don't know that you must be extraterrestrial.

EEG's detect your thinking; not layout nor describe or give dimension to.

EDIT: The best argument from an empirical stance is from Thomas Hobbes in Leviathan "The Imagination is nothing but decaying sense". Or maybe not so great argument.
 
Scientists say the relationship between thinking and electrical/chemical activity in the brain , an organ , is proved . = No elsctrical/chemical activity in the brain = no thinking . Electro/chemical activity is physical and in this "realm" .

What other "realms" are you talking about ?

"your own reality" is a property of "self" wich is a property of consciousness , wich is a property of thinking , wich is a property of electro/chemical activity in the brain .

" not layout nor describe or give dimension to. "

Yes . But thats irelevant to where and why thinking takes place .
 
have you had yours.. yet?
 
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