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I just remembered one of many koans the smart mathematicians (those that get the joke) throw out, to question human mental stability (knowing quiet well it fails). Maybe it helps to understand, why infinity is, while really funny to trip on, in its intended nature, pure nonsense.
(I do not recall the actual theorem it was used on - i am a little bit tiered - but it was a theoretical experiment, that explains infinite measures)
Imagine the following. Mathematics says, that if you want to go from one point to another, you shorten the distances in infinite instances and never arrive at your destination.
Lets say you stand on a crossroad. the opposite site is 12 yards away. the traffic signal commands you to pass the dangerous river now (like moses's magic) and now you start to walk.
first, you half the distance (6yds) then you half that again (3yds) then again (1.5yds) then again you half the distance (0.75yds) then again (0.375yds > 0,1875yds > 0,09375yds) and so on forever. While the speed, in which you half the distance rises exponentially, the distance halves infinite. Thus at an infinite fast speed (it becomes faster then light pretty soon by the way), you half the distance infinitely.
This is infinity in its works. Just plain nonsense. If it would exist, no one ever would get onto the other side of the road.
So why did the chicken cross the road? It never did.
(I do not recall the actual theorem it was used on - i am a little bit tiered - but it was a theoretical experiment, that explains infinite measures)
Imagine the following. Mathematics says, that if you want to go from one point to another, you shorten the distances in infinite instances and never arrive at your destination.
Lets say you stand on a crossroad. the opposite site is 12 yards away. the traffic signal commands you to pass the dangerous river now (like moses's magic) and now you start to walk.
first, you half the distance (6yds) then you half that again (3yds) then again (1.5yds) then again you half the distance (0.75yds) then again (0.375yds > 0,1875yds > 0,09375yds) and so on forever. While the speed, in which you half the distance rises exponentially, the distance halves infinite. Thus at an infinite fast speed (it becomes faster then light pretty soon by the way), you half the distance infinitely.
This is infinity in its works. Just plain nonsense. If it would exist, no one ever would get onto the other side of the road.
So why did the chicken cross the road? It never did.
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"Mathematics says, that if you want to go from one point to another, you shorten the distances in infinite instances and never arrive at your destination. "
What mathamaticians say that and why should anyone do that . And if its true how did anyone ever measure anything ?
" If it (infinity) would exist, no one ever would get onto the other side of the road. "
The only joke in your post is what you said . Not "if it (infinity) would exist people wouldnt reach the other side" . Its "If people would shorten their steps by half with each step they would never reach the other side " . Nobody tries to do that and if they did they would soon reach a limit of how short steps they could take .
Semanticks . If there is a word for it it exists even if only as a theory or something obvious that cant be proved .
0 is not a machine or an object and compairing 0 to either of those is a fantasy that proves nothing and is an irelevant analagy . On a scale 0 is where two points/lines meet = it doesnt exist as an object its a name for where the things meet . Theoreticaly where two lines/points meet there is no space between them = nothing to have any substance = zero doesnt exist its a theoretical description .
What mathamaticians say that and why should anyone do that . And if its true how did anyone ever measure anything ?
" If it (infinity) would exist, no one ever would get onto the other side of the road. "
The only joke in your post is what you said . Not "if it (infinity) would exist people wouldnt reach the other side" . Its "If people would shorten their steps by half with each step they would never reach the other side " . Nobody tries to do that and if they did they would soon reach a limit of how short steps they could take .
Semanticks . If there is a word for it it exists even if only as a theory or something obvious that cant be proved .
0 is not a machine or an object and compairing 0 to either of those is a fantasy that proves nothing and is an irelevant analagy . On a scale 0 is where two points/lines meet = it doesnt exist as an object its a name for where the things meet . Theoreticaly where two lines/points meet there is no space between them = nothing to have any substance = zero doesnt exist its a theoretical description .
I am not talking about mathematics right now, more less astronomy. I have taken Calculus and know about all that infinity stuff, and they need to make certain assumptions in order for Calculus to work. I am talking about the Universe more less, it goes on forever. And if it does not, what contain it? Does that end? If it doesn't it goes on for INFINITY. And if that space that contains the universe ends, what contains the Universe and that space that contains the Universe? Something must go on forever. Even if whatever contains this universe is absolute nothingness, it must go on forever.
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user_1919 a dit:
dude!!! you pointed it out really well!!! :weedman:
Well mathematics doesn't actually say that. Zeno did..What you are describing is Zeno's paradoxes and it is more to do with Zeno's perception that motion is merely an illusion because at any particular instance of time nothing will be in motion
Geometry, calculus provided certain ways to solve his puzzle.. some people don't even agree with the premise of Zeno's paradox though as it stems from the unproven premise that time itself is infinitely divisible, or that an object will be motionless at an instance in time..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradox_solutions
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zeno's paradox proves mathematics to be working and reality to be real????
maybe also the paradoxes prove the truth of the method "reductio ad absurdum" to solve a given (philosophical) problem by reducing until it is a contradiction in itself ???
also i found something on the "quantum-zeno-effect". it is an effect in quantum-mechanics where a transition in a quantum-mechanic system from one state to another state, like the decay of a radioactive nucleus or the light-emmitance of a stimulated atom can be prevented by mere observation.
well but somehow it is obvious that if you make up an experiment, where you (the observer) influence the outcome of the experiment, the outcome of the experiment will be different from the caluclations, because you as the observer had influenced the experiment by observing it.
peace :weedman:
maybe also the paradoxes prove the truth of the method "reductio ad absurdum" to solve a given (philosophical) problem by reducing until it is a contradiction in itself ???
also i found something on the "quantum-zeno-effect". it is an effect in quantum-mechanics where a transition in a quantum-mechanic system from one state to another state, like the decay of a radioactive nucleus or the light-emmitance of a stimulated atom can be prevented by mere observation.
well but somehow it is obvious that if you make up an experiment, where you (the observer) influence the outcome of the experiment, the outcome of the experiment will be different from the caluclations, because you as the observer had influenced the experiment by observing it.
peace :weedman:
I watched a video in grade 12 Chemistry that I found so interesting. The act of observing actually plays a BIG role in the outcome of how single electrons act. I actually found the link...
I find this stuff so interesting. When we talked about this in Chemistry class, I could relate to it so much through my psychedelic experiences. It is just truly amazing...I think this video is what started my hunger for knowledge!!!
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Nothing ever exists, except everything at once.
We're all part of aliving organism, th euniverse, and on smaller and smaller scales, more "living" things emerge.
It's all a very large fractal, and we seem to be in a very cool "middle ground"
We're all part of aliving organism, th euniverse, and on smaller and smaller scales, more "living" things emerge.
It's all a very large fractal, and we seem to be in a very cool "middle ground"
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so we don't ever exist, except we DO exist, because everything at once exists???? so do we exist or do we not exist??? that is the question..
i am inclined to believe that i really exist, but i am not sure why i do believe this.
peace. :weedman:
i am inclined to believe that i really exist, but i am not sure why i do believe this.
peace. :weedman:
An interesting interpretation of the observation effect is that action and reaction are even more connected than expected... If an experiment is undertaken to see if an electron is a wave, it act as a wave and loses it's matter aspect due to the Heisenberg "onzekerheidsprincipe" (english?). If an experiment is used to see if it's a particle than it's a particle.
The experiment FORCES the electron to behave according the observation needed. Things happen because their consequences happen in the future.
It can also be seen from another nice perspective: The past is created so the present would make sense.
The experiment FORCES the electron to behave according the observation needed. Things happen because their consequences happen in the future.
It can also be seen from another nice perspective: The past is created so the present would make sense.
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Uncertainty principle .
It would also mean that the future is defined by the present , wich is obvious on one level , we are going in a direction so that limits the future . But could it also mean that the future is already written ?
It would also mean that the future is defined by the present , wich is obvious on one level , we are going in a direction so that limits the future . But could it also mean that the future is already written ?
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GOD a dit:
the future is written in eternity!!!!!!!!!!! :weedman:
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it's hard to explain what I want to say.
first of all, time doesn't exist. Zeit is Einbildung oder sie ist nichts (time is delusion or it is nothing) - Hegel.
If you know what happened the last instant and you know what is happening in this instant, you can calculate what happens next instant. Then you take the "now"-instant and the next instant and calculate the after next instant etc.
first of all, time doesn't exist. Zeit is Einbildung oder sie ist nichts (time is delusion or it is nothing) - Hegel.
If you know what happened the last instant and you know what is happening in this instant, you can calculate what happens next instant. Then you take the "now"-instant and the next instant and calculate the after next instant etc.
