^^ jlui dirais de poster sur MSN si c' est ta reference . et non la codeine existe sous 3 sels. bref pas envie de batailler stu veux pas y metre du tiens, pas galerera expliquer et sourcer .
ajouter de l' acide citrique a la methcathinone base ne fera pas un citrate (en tout cas en 6 ans de synthese du meme produit a raison de 10aines de grammes semaine je n' en ai jamais fait , mais bon si tu le dis ..
ca me trouerais bien de cul d'avoir cook ca autant de fois sans avoir ca .
tiens , voila l' avis de rhodium , apres si tes pas d'accord avec lui hein ^^ (birn quil existe d'autres methodes)
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/cathinone/methcathinone_faq.shtml
juste pour info je suis si chiant quand je my met pasque je suis justemet a block de cette saloperie , plus facile a faire qu' un poulet frittes, et que j' ai toujours (sauf experience ) aquilibré avec de l' acide muriatique , pour avoir un +HCL ...
bref trouve moi un autre sel que Hcl pour la methcath (pas la version amine hein , pas la mathamphet) , trouve moi un citrate ou sulfate de methcathinone , et tu me prouveras que j'ai bossé comme un abrutit pendant 6 ans au moins (source requises .. hé oui c LA substance que je connais le meiux donc la prouve moi le contraire et je ferme ma gueulle a vie )
tiens synthese ephedrone la . si tes pas d' accord avec l' auteur .. ok (pages 17 a 20)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13488810/marmar1
si tes eilleur que moi en anglais (desolé comprend mieux les chifres et les legos moi)
http://www.amfetamiiniyhdistys.eu/uncle_fester-secrets_of_methamphetamine_manufacture.txt
bref pour la methcathinone , j' attend que tu me trouve un bromhydrate sulfate ou phosphate at la ... on verra (meme si je continuerais a la faire HCL pas le choix tfacon , muriatic acid is your friend)
Methcathinone Manufacture #1
Chemicals:
* KMnO4 [Potassium Permanganate] - This is sold at 'Sears' in a blue bottle. (Catalog #4234415) It's used to remove iron from water filters.
* Pseudoephedrine HCl - Get a box of 96 'Equate' Tablets from Wal-Mart, or Sudafed's will work.
* Isopropyl Alcohol [Isopropyl 70% Rubbing Alcohol] - Any grocery store or pharmacy
* Hydrochloric Acid [HCl] - Sold as "Muriatic Acid"
* Acetone - Sold at any hardware store or paint store
* Distilled Water - Sold at any grocery store
Ephedrine Extraction:
je cut le debut......................................
You need to adjust the pH to about 5 to 6.5. To do this, use a little muriatic acid. Only add a few drops, not much is needed. Once you have the correct pH, swirl your final mixture and let it set for a while. Now, filter it through about five coffee filters. This is your last chance to get any junk out of it. Your liquid should be almost totally clear. What you have is methcathinone. If you desire to do so, you can drink the solution. Most people would prefer to have a crystalline powder however. So on to the next step.
Pour all your liquid into the Pyrex dish, and set in on the stove for about 3 hours at low heat, you want to evaporate most of the liquid. Once you notice you have a mostly gummy substance left, remove the dish from the stove. Now you can either use a blow drier, or simply leave the dish out for about a day. You should notice crystals in the dish the crystals are going to be gummy, so you simply add some Acetone. The methcathinone is not soluble in Acetone, the other gummy substance is. After adding the acetone, swirl it around a bit. As the gummy substance dissolves, pour it off. You should notice some brownish to white crystals, this is your methcathinone! You may have to do this again, just let the crystals dry and add more acetone. Once all of the crystals are dry, scrape the crystals out of the dish into something. ya 2 erreurs dans la synthese , (que je rectidierais pas tfacon on mprend pour un con ^^
You should have about 3 grams of Methcathinone HCl, a Schedule 1 drug, so don't get caught. Methcathinone can sell anywhere from $40-$75 a gram. It is best that you do not shoot methcathinone
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method 2 ' g coupé le debut banal et chiant du sudafed
Let react for 30-60 minutes. The color should go from a bright red/orange to a dark color (a mixture of green and orange from the two ionization states of the chromium). Basify the solution with concentrated sodium hydroxide solution until you see the solution become a bright green (green with a white precipitate - the methcathinone).
This happens above pH 8. Try not to add too much hydroxide (if you do the solution becomes black and there is probably some decomposition of the methcathinone).
Extract 3-4 times with naptha (add the naptha, shake it up, pour off as much naptha as you can - but DON'T get ANY reaction mixture in the extracts!). Use as much naptha as would equal about 50-100 percent of the reaction mixture.
Quickly add the extracts to 25ml of hydrochloric acid, diluted
1 part 36% HCl to 4-5 parts water. Shake the mixture, extract off the aqueous (lower) portion. This is an acid solution of the methcathinone. [you may want to extract a second time with HCl to get a slightly higher yield, a 3rd time adds nothing.] Evaporate the mixture under low to medium heat (preferably under a vacuum) until it becomes thick. Add acetone and stir it a little. if the mixture doesn't become white (crystalline) right away, it hasn't been evaporated enough. Continue evaporating and adding acetone until it does. Be careful not to burn the thick mixture (adding acetone helps keep the temperature down). After getting crystals/precipitate, cover the mixture tightly and put in a freezer for 15 minutes. Remove from the freezer, filter the crystals off and wash with a small amount of cold acetone. [If the crystals are less than white, you may want to purify them by boiling and stirring them in acetone again, cooling the mixture and refiltering as described above.] The white crystals/powder is methcathinone HCL. I wouldn't take more than 20mg for a first dose, and I wouldn't take it if
bref pour les methamphet , leurs sel et la methcathinone et sa synthese...
si tu veux me prouver un citrate / sulfate possible va falloir t' accrocher , jy suis depusi longtemps dedans (tas qua voir le rageux en face)
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par contre opiacés deja repeté pas mon rayon , et tu as raison , tu aurais pu sourcer quand meme ^^
autant pour moi pour le codeine Hbr qui est en effet possble (enfin sur le papier tu as raison , comme pour la levopolamedone ou DouL-methadone Hbr aussi
Krausz, in U.S. Pat. No. 3,112,323, and Gavard et al., Bull. Soc. Chim. France (1965) at 486-490, have described the conversion of thebaine (1) to codeine by treatment with anhydrous HBr to produce a product which is dehydrobromated to a mixture containing codeinone (4), reduction of which gives codeine
oui vu comme ca c' est possible ea culpa .pas le plus simple mais faisable (ben ouais avec une source ca passe deja mieux hein . du coup ouais tas raison .. mais source stp quand tu peux comme ca)
bref meme si je suis agressif parfois , je sais reconnaitre quand jai tort . pour la codé entre autres.
j'attend par contre sources a propos de la methcathinone..........
bref et si je dis tant de conneries que ca , ben jvous laisse avec vos theorie mare des debats du genre ou je menerve sur le clavier (ouais c ma faute si vous voulez) mais pour faire avancer le shmilblik c pas gagné .
sur ce . bonne continuation les forumers,
perso g ma dose (propre et au figuré)
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