Datura stramonium

[user_1919]

I have never had a dature experience nor plan on having one. But I think that datura is total madness because of the society we live in. We are so programmed to think that this is normal and everything else is different. If we were never subjected to the society we live in, do you think we would have the same effects? Like you would never know cops existed, so would you be getting arrested and then notice no one was there is the first place? You would also not know that cigrettes existed, so they would not disappear infront of you while smoking one. Or your family wouldn't show up at your house and then disappear into thin air. I mean maybe it is the social conditioning that has made this experience such madness. No one can agrue this, becuase even if we had a datura experience, we all have enormous amounts of social conditioning behind us. Once you take away the social conditioning; for instance, give it to a man inside the rainforest who has never been subjected to the powerful conditioning we have went though, and document his experience.
The thing about this then, is if he does have the same experience as someone with abudent social conditioning, then that means the datura is connecting us into some type of collective consciousness. If you were never subjected to cops or cigarettes, and then you have hallunications of these images, then you most likly will get really scared, as you have never seen such absurd things, but also it means you are tuning into some collective consciousness. If this was the case, then I think datura is worth some investigation. Always, this is just my opinion, and I know a lot of you are going to disaree, I just though I had to post this before dismissing everything about datura. There must be a reason for the plant. Every single organism on this plant has a purpose, and I believe, the ones that alter our consciousness, play an even bigger role in this whole illusion.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Brugmansia]

Besides, it amazes me how many of the reports are filled with excessive dosages, riskful settings and no medical preparations ready.

Nevertheless it's dangerous plant material. But swallowing one seed that's not dark brown shortly after 1500 ml water is consumed, closed house with a physical strong tripsitter and an injection ready in case of emergency won't take anyone's life, I suppose.

Although I'm pretty sure an ego death would be nearly impossible due to the extreme physical dangers.

This was quite interesting to read:

Tarahumara’s (bekend van Antonin Arnauds relaas in "De Peyotedans") en de Zuni’s gebruiken doornappel -in de Verenigde Staten bekend als Jimsonweed- bij bepaalde initiatierituelen. Deze zijn gericht op de dood van het oude ego, bijvoorbeeld bij de overgang van kind naar volwassenheid, en vinden plaats onder leiding van ervaren gidsen of shamanen. Zulke initiaties zijn bepaald geen lolletje en spelen zich vaak af op de rand van de dood. Bij de overgang van kind naar volwassene vindt een totale hersenspoeling plaats, waarbij de puber vergeet wie hij of zij voordien was. Zelfs de naam, de taal, de familie worden uitgewist in het geheugen en de puber moet helemaal opnieuw de dingen leren die voor een volwassene belangrijk zijn.

http://www.uitjebol.net/doornappel.htm

It says Tarahumara's are ereasing the old ego when a child is about to become an adult, and in fact also ereasing everything gained in the brain till then. And after the sacrement the child even needs to learn who his relatives were, the language, and it's own identity.

 

[tryptonaut]

I was in Bali a few years ago and there was this one temple we visited with dozens of huge brugmansia trees. The monks and inhabitants of that region are said to be a little out of their minds because they supposedly smoke the blossoms. But that's just what the tourist guidebook said. We didn't see anyone smoking the blossoms. Sure we tried to smoke them (and I'm glad in retrospect we didn't really succeed drying them so we wouldn't get high at all... stupid youngsters we were...)

Btw. there's a tv spot in Germany for a stomach-ache remedy called "Buscopan" and at the end of the spot they say - "Buscopan, with the active ingredient of the Datura plant!" When I first saw it I was like "what? Did they just really say that?" But then I looked it up and found out it contains Butylscopolamine which, other than Scopolamine, doesn't pass the blood-brain barrier and therefore has no psychotropic effects at all.

 

[krnjason]

haha i completely forgot i posted here, i see mutant still fighting god, thanks of defending me man.


After my initial posts i decided to go the seeds route since, well the brow tasted horrible and i couldnt even drink it since I'd always gag from the smell. anyway, not to add to the battle between God (the member) i dont think he realizes that not all journeys into the world of entheogens are searches for bliss or fun. Its just to see what we, humans, are capable of with the help of plants... of course i didn't enjoy the dehydration, the cottonmouth...etc but what pleasure doesnt come w/o pain? In some light God, was right the effects arent comfortable and thats ONE reason why i stoped my trials, another is since i still live w/ my parents. Though i'm going off to college in a couple months, i still might post-pone any other adventures until im safely along or have a trusting friend i can count on to watch over me.

anyway here are my seed trials, only had patience for two but hope these are a bit, or in anyway helpful.

oh, and ps, i didnt die or go to the hospital. I'm completely healthy and normal with the exception of some mind-maturing about some philosophies.

well here they are.

a couple a trips that ive tried for a break through this past week.

By:krnjason
Seed Source: Reliable online vendor
Body Weight: 173lbs

[b:1fmnvm2h]First Trial

*Dosage: 60 Seeds (night time around 9pm-10pm ish)
*Physical Symptoms: Drowsiness, pressure around my eyes, Airway was a bit contstricted, Dehydrated (cotton mouth, throat, and nose)
*Hallucinations: None
*Dreams: Mildly intense, mainly about people in my life.

-Reflection:

I took exactly 60 small seeds, which were black in color, and judging from the pods they came from I can tell that it was definitely Datura Stramonium seeds. I was a bit skeptical that a dose of 60 seeds would result in a full blown DS trip, but since I know the dangers, a small amount would be a good place to start. Seeds tasted way better than the foliage brew (YAK!) but it was a bit bitter so a gulp of water took that away really quick. From my past experiences, effects were seen around an hr and this was no different. Maybe it was because I was tired from the day, but the pressure around my eyes, (pressure as in like heavy eyelids) was a familiar DS symptom. The dry symptoms began as well but not as severe as my other trials couple months before. I had very light cotton mouth, a bit worse than Miss Jane’s but not unbearable. I began to feel drowsy but it was only 11:30pm so that was weird. I couldn’t take the drowsiness so I knocked out.
The dreams I have on DS seems to be a bit more surreal than usual and have a knack for involving people I know and multiple dreams every night, following my Datura trial. I’m not sure if this might be connected to my DS seed consumption, but I could tell they were different from my normal dreams.

-Aftermath: None that was out of the ordinary feel a bit refreshed, and surprisingly my vision was fine.


Second Trial

*Dosage: Around 120 seeds (kept losing my place trying to count the little seeds)
*Physical Symptoms: Drowsiness, Pressure around the eyes, Airway constriction, badly dehydrated, numb feeling around many parts of my body.
*Hallucinations: Don’t really know if I’d call it that. Kind of coming/ going into drowsiness, mind wandering.
*Dreams: Most intense I’ve had so far.

-Reflection

Since the 60 seeds I took last time didn’t really achieve anything, I increased the dose by 100% but since the seeds are so small, I kept losing count and I may have dropped a couple on the carpet.
Same taste, same time when the effects came on, but this time a couple things were different. Dehydration was worse than the 1st, with cotton mouth that was on par with the common DS cotton mouth; strep-throat-like cotton mouth around the throat, and inside of my nose was completely bone dry. Water doesn’t help at all, and if it did at all, it only relieved the cotton mouth for like a couple minutes. Another symptom was this kind of slippery/numbness of my fingertips; maybe the dehydration also effects my oil glands as well? Also, I found that urinating felt very unnatural to me at the time, almost like automatic in a sense that urine just came out without my control.
The drowsiness kicked in and decided to lay on my bed, don’t really know if this is considered hallucinating but when I closed my eyes, my mind would wander and specific events of the past couple months would come VERY hazily back…particularly a friend’s face. I couldn’t take the drowsiness so I drifted off to sleep.
I don’t remember having any dreams the day of in-take, but the day after, I had this INTENSE dream of a friend that walked up to the passenger side of my car, took out a silver revolver-type gun and shot all the rounds at me. The strange thing was at that exact moment when the bullets hit me, I felt a “something

 

[mutant]

krnjason, nice to see you again, keep coming back!

Interesting experiences...

Of course , like you say, you don't experiment with tropane plants to find bliss or euphoria or because you're bored.

If you experiment anymore in the future, I would suggest you might want to consider mandrake or hyoscyamus. Read up on them. There are at least a couple of reason why one might choose these over daturas.

I intend to use hyoscyamus when I decide to experiment with tropanes. moreover, the plants them selves which I cultivate attracts me a lot.

 

[druglessdouglas]

havnt tryed datura but ive smoked atropa belladona ond hemlock water dropwort both having similar makeup though different proportions atropine/scopolamine. it wasnt nice. first i became aware of every attometer of sinus surface as everything dried up. v uncomfortable so i went for a rest. slipped into a dream that terrified me beyond anything fever ever did, while underneath, trapped in a psychic packing crate i was totaly aware/totaly lucid(?) weird thing is i remember no details. just the fear.when i could finaly swim back up to consensus reality i was on the floor, crawling about.3 hours later.i couldnt piss for another hour or so and i had a bladder like a football. following that -palpitations blurred vision general confusion and severe photophobia. really fucked my evening and only taught me not to do it. still, ive heard daturas stronger.

 

[GOD]

I`m glad to see that you are not dead .......... yet krnjason . And thanks for taking my side in the debate , you prove over and over again exactly what i have said and are doing a better job than me of proving that Datura is not something that any normal person would wast their time on and risk their life and sanity for . You must have noticed that there is only one person here trying to encourage you to poison yourself , a person that has said that he has no positive reasons for being interested in experimenting with Datura and and has boasted that his real grounds are being interested in the dark side of life and in evil . And hes a person whos to cowardly to do it himself , but look how hard he is trying to get you to poison yourself .

I have very great dificulty to believe that you have taken the dose you are talking about . You are talking about up to 6 times the dosage that other , reliable , sources say is a strongly halucinogenic dose .

There are reports that a tribe in south America give their kids Datura and mentaly castrate them with it but are they true ? And is it positive ? Does it help anyone ? Could it be called spiritual ?

There are also reports of people adding Datura to potions like Ayahuasca . The storys dont say in what quantitys , and mostly its part of the shaman set and setting pantomime to add "Magic" = adding poisonous plants and snake venoms to potions to sugest that the shaman is strong enough to master them . BUT , they dont add them in quantitys that are psychoactive , they are only token additives . And in india they smoke it and dont eat it .

 

[Malaeus]

the dose makes the poison...
meh

 

[mutant]

GOD, like I said in the other thread about amanitas,

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... g=en#87895

you are either paranoid or a complete idiot. But one thing is for sure. You are pathetic man, sorry to let you know, again.

I don't know which are your problems in life, but thinking that I might have something to do with them is kind of funny. And just because you once or twice or whatever experimented with tropanes and had traumatic experiences, tht doesn't mean that noone in this world should experiment with them again ~ let alone talk about them without you shouting: "EVIL EVIL EVIL ! "

I didn't not ever encouraged anyone to take anything, from cannabis to lsd to daturas. And if I decide to experiment with tropanes at some time, which I plan to do, it won't be to prove I am brave, or to prove anything to anyone, certainly not to you anyway.

It seems you have made up you mind that I am some kind of the devil's incarnation or something. Cool

druglessdouglas , I think Atropa is the least 'wanted' from all the tropanes, as I think it is the most atropine-rich of all. Remember that atropine is the one that causes all the annoying physical effects. Also, each part of the plant might have different alkaloidal profile ~ that is, different analogy of atropine to scopolamine.

and yeah, dosage determines the toxicity, for all substances...

 

[GOD]

Again you out yourself and show your true colours . The only thing you are doing is insulting , you have no points , no evidence , no facts and you dont even try to answer the points i have raised........ because you cant . You just make irelevant empty statements .

"atropine is the one that causes all the annoying physical effects."

And you claim you know what you are talking about ??????

 

[mutant]

Ok atropine causes the most physical unpleasant effects or, more dangerous ones. In any way they both exist in all said plants, just in different proportions.



dedicated

Datura stramonium, Nicotiana rustica, Hyoscuamus albus
Solanacea

 

[Pariah]

Are those your plants? did you have any trouble getting the datura to germinate - I've tried germinating Datura without success, any tips would be appreciated.

 

[mutant]

Yeah, my plants.

Datura seeds seem to be germinating when THEY want, not when the cultivator does. Mine all germinated after I had decided they would not, so I planted other stuffs in the pots, and there they came. I transplanted them, they are hardy, adn shock doesn't affect them too much

I advise you to be patient, not to cover to prevent rot, be patient, again, water, and wait

 

[druglessdouglas]

a friend of mine was into a datura prep. used to treat asthma(this was long efore i met him) and would hold parties where a few would drink tea made from it. i dont gnow the doses or any details but he loved the stuf. untill he came round with the police handcuffing him and puting him in a van. it seems he wandered into the wrong house and freaked out the normals. i dont think charges were brought but it stopped him from having the parties(didnt put him off in principle though)the party folks were calling themselves THE PSYCHONAUTS

 

[mutant]

It's hard to believe tropanes can be used as a party or entertaining 'drug' ... but, to each his own... you never know...

 

[Psilocybine]

Dude, you might be interested in the Datura, but keep it on just simple interest.
My brother and I grow a datura at home, but we'll never be so much out of our minds to use it.
The Datura is an extremely dangerous, highly toxic plant which was indeed used by shamans in the past,
But this doesn't mean you can just go on and experiment with it.
Even when having examined all kinds of scientifical reports and information on the Datura,
You'll still put yourself into danger when using it.
Just a slightly deviating dose can get you killed (or could make you insane for the rest of your life, if your mind somehow remains intact enough to keep your bodyfunctions working)
Please NEVER ever attempt to try the Datura for recreational use.
I can nderstand your interest but it's just not worth the extreme risk.

 

[Elfinn]

Datura is so powerful one does not have to ingest any part of the misses.
just being close to her,gives me the WITCH. i love that.

Well i did Datura heavily many years ago
while on speed,thinking it would be a nice trip
but it lasted and lasted,many days in delirium
more speed and more datura
and soon i got flying across the floor
and pissing all over my clothes
and just scare my friend with DARKENED DILATED pupils.

 

[tryptonaut]

Why is Datura being such a powerful subject here that the thread is becoming 11 pages long?
I guess because this is the psychonaut forum and people here want to explore?

My final piece of advice on nightshades is:
LEAVE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS!
If you are a part-time-shaman, free-time-witch, leisure-time-psychonaut, then FUCKING DON'T DO IT!

I am not a professional psychonaut or shaman, I don't want to spend my whole life in the spirit world - if you intend being a shaman and you know what you're doing then Datura is probably the right thing for you. But I want to return sanely to the normal world every once and then and earn my living in a normal job. I can't have datura demons following me all day long, okay?

 

[mutant]

Why is Datura being such a powerful subject here that the thread is becoming 11 pages long? I guess because this is the psychonaut forum and people here want to explore?

Whatever you think, it seems to draw people's curiosity.

You gave no advice, just an empty "stay away" , you know that this , sometimes, draws more curiosity than anything else

Tropanes have been here for long-long time...

Datura on speed?? heck, what an awful idea!!

 

[tryptonaut]

Datura on speed?? heck, what an awful idea!! Smile

xy on speed - that sounds incredibly awesome to me
Because of the "speed" part.
Yummy, amphetamines... I hear Elvis used them, and Hitler.... mmmh

Lol - I just wanted to address the fact that anything "on speed" sounds sexy to me (as an old amphetamine addict...)