Danger of Islam!

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Haha so I'm being ignored, interesting.

So that was you, don't ever attempt this again, I won't talk out there, only here for the time being. ESPECIALLY if you have someone following you. You wouldn't want to see me run out of water, it's never pretty ; that was a close call, saved by the bell so to speak... bee forwarned. The person in question knows who he is, please do not ask me question about it or even attempt to use my communication as a lever for intention ; you do not have any idea the magnitudes of the forces at play here, no human can.

Allah is not god. But God is Allah, just like he is you and me.

Beleive it or not this book is in the holographic archives but it has not been written by mohammed, I suspect they stole it from the babylonians, it most likely comes from the atlanteans.

Anyhow it's integral in it's shape and structure, it's quite impressive. Yet some words are badly choosen, sometimes entire paragraphs seem to be tainted with a whole new meaning because of this.

Allah created a matrix by "pulling" the silica out of the earth to make it a reflective crust. to make the earth your "couch". The mecca is holy because it is the center point of that "pull" ; it's cracks and fissures extend very deep into the crust, putting kindling in the fire like we did in those regions only worsens the situation we all have to face now.

Allah is An the male creative principle, and I can seize how only this part of the book (Qur-An ; yes yes Cure-AN) was handed down in the age it was edited. There is a female part of that book , and it is most likely hidden somewhere very well guarded, if it still exists ; it is called the Ckurlyra.

I don't have much use for those books as I can access the holographic archives directly, but that might just be what is missing for them ; it is not my purpose to achieve that quest however.

I don't really know if the arabic text is in line with holographic hygiene principles, since the english version isn't and they must have taken great care in translating it... I guess it isn't, and perhaps Mohammed wasn't so enlightened, perhaps he just managed to channel that book because he was a saint, perhaps he found it somewhere and tought it was god given to him... who can tell ?

Qu'ran is bascially NOT a peaceful religion in that it demands the word of 'Allah' is the LASt word.

What a pathetic sentence construction ; we can see how you INSIST on MAKING SURE, everyone THINKS it is not PEACEFUL so they MANIFEST destiny.

WE KNOW... I'm finally not alone anymore, it isn't perfect, but we know.

Go look at your tongue in the mirror, extend it as far as you can and really look ! What do you see ?

I have just quoted passages from the second chapter which makes it VERY clear that any man who brings mischief (aka not peaceful) into the world will be punished directly by god.

No need for interventionists in the name of god here, he does it HIMSELF, he is THAT POWRFUL , rofl...

And it's me they wanted to ban !

Free barrabas !!! how synchronistic... he is going to write and write cause he knows the power of words.

But this time, he's not going anywhere ! He will even scorch your skin if you face him too long. Jesus that is, he learned to speak again, he's a giant will-o the wisp !

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Allah is An the male creative principle, and I can seize how only this part of the book (Qur-An ; yes yes Cure-AN) was handed down in the age it was edited. There is a female part of that book , and it is most likely hidden somewhere very well guarded, if it still exists ; it is called the Ckurlyra.

Why are you writing that, when you know nobody will beleive you anyway?

I don't have much use for those books as I can access the holographic archives directly,

Perhaps you can do so because you were not raised muslim.

I guess it isn't, and perhaps Mohammed wasn't so enlightened, perhaps he just managed to channel that book because he was a saint,

Why do you think he was a saint?

perhaps he found it somewhere and tought it was god given to him... who can tell ?

The muslims will tell you how it was received. And it's that view of what happened that we're discussing in this thread.

What a pathetic sentence construction ; we can see how you INSIST on MAKING SURE, everyone THINKS it is not PEACEFUL so they MANIFEST destiny.

And you INSIST on interpreting zezt's motives in a malevolent way, both on the forum and in your dreams. I may change my mind, but so far you have not convinced me at all.

I have just quoted passages from the second chapter which makes it VERY clear that any man who brings mischief (aka not peaceful) into the world will be punished directly by god.

And other passages delineate that human beings may act on behalf of god. That is why muslims always shout "allahu akbar!" when they defeat an enemy, for they 'understand' that it's Allah acting through them.

And it's me they wanted to ban !

But now you want someone else banned? :?

 

[st.bot.32]

EXACTLY. No offense, but you are not feeling what serious oppressive medieval religious oppression is REALLY like. It doesn't work like that!

there's a difference between a valid criticism of a backwards medieval country, and claiming all muslims in the west are secretly planning to take over and kill women and jews

and then showing images of politically-motivated terrorist attacks and claiming that it is the fault of islam.

In a system where only 'Allah' has the say, there is no CONCEPT and/or allowance of human rights. It is taboo, 'unthinkable'

human rights are important, but that's quite an assumption to make. gay muslims would be sure to disagree. the problem is power-hungry people using religion to control others

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

there's a difference between a valid criticism of a backwards medieval country, and claiming all muslims in the west are secretly planning to take over and kill women and jews

Whoa! Who said that? I think all zezt and I have been saying is that they're going to impose their standards and morality upon us, for example: tell us who may not be portrayed in cartoons, who may not enter the House of Lords, etc. etc. etc. We do not know where this will end, but certainly lethal violence itself is not the only concern.

the problem is power-hungry people using religion to control others

One of the problems. The scripture itself is another.

 

[st.bot.32]

the connection in fitna is quite clear.. "What's next for the netherlands??"

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I'm sorry I sometimes cannot understand why people do not grasp holographic english,

it
makes
sense
afterall
wouldn't ?

I exactly do not want anyone to "beleive" me that is why I write this way, if read in another way other meanings will come to light, what is important here I think is that you can see it my way, but not the other way.

Their book can be read this way, or the other way.

I agree most people will not have holographic knowledge readily available, but there is some in their people too, they were spread evenly upon the world in order to create a complete perspective "net".

Thing is, as long as people enter their dreamworld by taking the discussion of their faith at heart, there will be distortion in what they receive, and THAT will create violence. Like it was said in the book ; they say "Why ? we're working for peace" ... we know better CM.

I know he is a saint, this is also holographic knowledge. He is a well known guardian now...

can you tell me how it was received ? There dosen't seen to be any muslims here... well they're not talking at least. All I know is that if they're reading, they're not laughing.

I did not say he was malevolent, this is not my part to judge wether or not his actions are good or bad, I am only uttering warnings. Oh yes I insist, because she is reading.

I also warned you that it was not a good idea to use my comment as leverage, please drop this injonction.

I don't want anything, you know that, I just realise the irony of the situation :

002.078 And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.

002.079 Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for a miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.

This is what is said of the way to treat woman :

002.230 So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), he cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and he has divorced her. In that case there is no blame on either of them if they re-unite, provided they feel that they can keep the limits ordained by God. Such are the limits ordained by God, which He makes plain to those who understand.

002.231 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddah), either take them back on equitable terms or set them free on equitable terms; but do not take them back to injure them, (or) to take undue advantage; if any one does that; he wrongs his own soul. Do not treat God's Signs as a jest, but solemnly rehearse God's favours on you, and the fact that He sent down to you the Book and Wisdom, for your instruction. And fear God, and know that God is well acquainted with all things.

002.232 When ye divorce women, and they fulfil the term of their ('Iddah), do not prevent them from marrying their (former) husbands, if they mutually agree on equitable terms. This instruction is for all amongst you, who believe in God and the Last Day. That is (the course making for) most virtue and purity amongst you. And God knows, and ye know not.

VERY far from beating them wouldn't you say ?!

And this :

002.256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out Clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.

I am talking about this book , Surah 2 - Al Baqarah THE HEIFER...

I have no read the entire thing... if there is ANY mention of violence, compulsion, and wrath, then REFER to 002.079 which I quoted first.

THIS is SIMPLE ! I commented on THIS book in what is considered the Quran, the other books might not have this truth or resonnance and here is the WARNING to that.

I can't beleive you didn't even read it in order... you just took the parts that suited this very miserable POLITICAL vendetta.

I can't take this much longer.

 

[Brugmansia]

"The true index of a man's character is the health of his wife." - Cyril Connolly

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

THIS is SIMPLE ! I commented on THIS book in what is considered the Quran, the other books might not have this truth or resonnance and here is the WARNING to that.

I can't beleive you didn't even read it in order... you just took the parts that suited this very miserable POLITICAL vendetta.

I do appreciate it very much that you are reading the text, in chronological order (yes, I noticed you were consistently quoting from the second Sura, indicating that you had started a chronological study yourself). At least you're willing to dive deeply into the matter, rather than staying on the surface of public opinion. If I had the time (and interest) I would also sit down to read the Quran, as well as the Bible. I've considered doing that many times in my life, and probably will at one point or another.

I would read the English translations of these books with the Arabic, Hebrew and Greek originals nearby, so that I can keep an eye on the original words, and look up translations if necessary. This is how I studied the Bhagavad-gita and similar texts (and made many interesting discoveries about them). If you do that with the Bible, you'll learn that the original word for GOD is tetragrammaton, and that where the King James simply says 'love', the Bible spoke of different types of love (agape, etc.), and "food" rather than "meat". By reading the Quran this way it would be clear if they really make a distinction between god and Allah, for example.

 

[Forkbender]

In a system where only 'Allah' has the say, there is no CONCEPT and/or allowance of human rights. It is taboo, 'unthinkable'

I wasn't referring to human rights, I was referring to the fact that the majority of people don't stand up and do something. They live in secret, as if they are not at peace with themselves and their peers and don't do anything about their situation.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

It's almost the same book, it's just the Quran seems purer... but the creator is still in a kind of multiplicity of archetypes ; and they still call upon the "children of Israel".

It should shock most people to learn those things, those who think it's a totally different thing, not at all.

Look :

002.035 And We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

002.036 Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. And We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

002.037 Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

This is the exact same thing !

I had no idea... I tought Allah and Jeovah were somehow different, or it would be the same religion... dosen't that make sense ?

The duplicity is there again... there is the creator An, but he's soon also idenified with a "god" that commands fear, and only fear of him and no other god.

This is again two separate entities, god creates them and gives them everything, and another opportunist slips in and says, don't eat the amanita !

Then the other son of an Enki slips in the form of a snake and tells them to eat it.

The same story than the old tablets of babylon.

I tought I would read something totally different !

002.040 O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

002.041 And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

So much for a monotheistic religion... commanding fear is NOT most merciful, it's downright jealousy, exactly what is prohibed in the first part of the book by GOD himself.

So we have :

GOD (everything)
AN (creator of the matrix)
Enlil or The LORD Jeovah (he seems to want to control)
Enki or Allah who seems to have made Adam (GMO Adam ? )

This is much clearer now, they're exactly the same family in the babylonian tablets.

002.062 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

So you guys really didn't know a bit about the origin of the book even, if you had told me this it would have been much easier to get a clear picture of what it is

It's like a private club, but if you want in you must absolutely be a saint, and there the other guy the LORD who dosen't seem to care about the party nor his brother not his father and tries to be the RIGHTEOUS one and confuse everyone, the reptilian antagonist so to speak who takes on the same position ; he POSES as AN and lies to his brethren, that are too stupid to know hot to read the beginning of the book ; thats his rôle ! Because if the stupid ones do harm thinking they do it for good , they are certain to manifest a terrible afterlife because of their unhealable guilt.

How brillant... you have to admit it is brillant ! The real wise man will know how to read the book, and which side of the "face" of god is speaking.

 

[zezt]

Ahuajynax~~~ "There dosen't seen to be any muslims here... well they're not talking at least. All I know is that if they're reading, they're not laughing. "

WHY aren't they laughing?

 

[Forkbender]

If I had the time (and interest) I would also sit down to read the Quran

You didn't read it?!? On what do you base your arguments in this thread.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

They aren't lauhing because their DNA is stucked in a box and they have a very serious mission to accomplish ; they must make so many good deeds as above so below as to counteract the violence of their ancestors in karma.

Thats why their book insists so much in the beginning about being peaceful and not bring an bit of mischief ; just resisting that while everyone feels animosity towards them is a great act of courage and bravery ; especially those who are connected with the more violent organisations, it runs in their families. The LORD is only there to fool them because he wants the cube to self-destruct so violently all will go extinct and he will remain with his false matrix he can rule on. But it is said god in impervious to those things, in the same book... it's not a contradiction it's a test for the people with this genetic heritage.

And for us outside of the box, we must really think outside the box and learn to accept those people for what they are, remember the jews, the muslim, the israelites, the christians, they're all the SAME as everyone, they just have a set of instruction that links them to a very important time in history, a kind of flipover. So it is our duty to create unity in diversity, this lesson has been learned in india and it is the balance.

This way the cube will repent into the dodeca of the earth and they will be allowed "eternal" life which only means that they will really begin to live and have an opportunity for ascension.

It's said in their own book. The matrix or "world" was created as a couch on the earth, and there is a last day to this matrix, it will end. Most likely this is a physical phenomenon we have no way to predict, noone can really tell when, it's not the same event as 2012. The growing earth will push off this magnetism and suddenly, what so many scientifics have had certitudes on will not be the same ; no more tectonic plates that subduct, no more "preordained" DNA... etc.

Because this is all part of a great illusion that fools even machines, and that will crumble and leave them all naked before god.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You didn't read it?!? On what do you base your arguments in this thread.

I didn't read it, but I did mention several times in this thread what I base my arguments upon.

Not that I think it's that significant, but did you read the Quran cover to cover? How about you St.Bot, GOD, Pariah and all the others who have taken part in this discussion?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

To add upon that... do you see how the books you critique so much UNITE the people of all major monotheistic religions.

It's like an open book for all of humanity.

Simply it says :

Here are very special people with great potential, but their unity was not in all planes of reality, and god sees this, that they do good things in their life but never learned spiritual exploration like the indians which allows for a peaceful lucid dreaming life.

So god gave them a creator, a book and he exposed it all to the natives of the world, saying basically :

Here, they cannot say I have not warned them in the beginning of the book, even if my creator's sons try to personify me, they should be able to tell the difference because there is a warning in the beginning of every holy scripture.

Hole-Y it's full of pitfalls and traps. It's written.

And he said to the native people, you cannot say we have not warned you against them, you should not imitate them but accept them until all becomes one.

We are all ONE in this mess, like it or not. We're all mixed now

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

It makes so much sense... so not everyone is implicated at the same degrees, but everyone that has a part in "modern" society has something to do, wether it be receiving or giving.

Because all this didn't happen so long ago, it was in the medieval time... the illusion extends in time as well because it would never have been convincing !

So basically all of this is nothing compared to the real OLD history of the humans... so it should be EASY for us to fix.

The rich bankers who scammed everyone will have to give their money to cure from the "golem" diseases they contracted. The violent families of terrorists will have to help the needy. The one who profited from the blood of the earth petrol are the most implicated, they will have to make available all they've hid (hydrogen power ?, torsion physics?) or their sickness will only increase, we don't need to do nothing about it, their own god will make them sick as the earth reaches its growing momentum.

What are the colors exposed at the mecca ? Black and Gold ? What is this black gold everyone revolves around ?

It couldn't be more simple ! More in our face !

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

So it is our duty to create unity in diversity, this lesson has been learned in india and it is the balance.

This was learned in India long ago, and all was well, until the Moghuls came:

"Throughout its history the Indian subcontinent has been frequently subject to invasion, from the North-West by Central Asian nomadic tribes and the Persian Empire. Unlike earlier conquerors who assimilated into prevalent social systems, Muslim conquerors retained their Islamic identity and created legal and administrative systems that challenged and destroyed existing systems of social conduct, culture, religious practices, lifestyle and ethics."

"It took several centuries for Islam to spread across India and how it did so is a topic of intense debate. Some quarters hold that Hindus were forcibly converted to Islam by the establishment of Jizya and Dhimmitude favoring Muslim citizens, and the threat of naked force: the Conversion by the Sword Theory. Others hold that it occurred through inter-marriage, conversions, economic integration, to escape caste structures, and through the influence of Sufi preachers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_invasion_of_India

Oh, and this, from the same source:

"An estimate of the number of people killed, based on the Muslim chronicles and demographic calculations, was done by K.S. Lal in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India, who claimed that between 1000 CE and 1500 CE, the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. His work has come under criticism by historians such as Simon Digby (School of Oriental and African Studies) and the Marxist historian Irfan Habib for its agenda and lack of accurate data in pre-census times. Lal has responded to these criticisms in later works. Historians such as Will Durant contend that Islam spread through violence.[5][6] Sir Jadunath Sarkar contends that that several Muslim invaders were waging a systematic jihad against Hindus in India to the effect that "Every device short of massacre in cold blood was resorted to in order to convert heathen subjects."[7] In particular the records kept by al-Utbi, Mahmud al-Ghazni's secretary, in the Tarikh-i-Yamini document several episodes of bloody military campaigns. Hindus who converted to Islam however were not completely immune to persecution due to the Caste system among South Asian Muslims in India established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.[8], where they were regarded as an "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes[9]."

 

[Forkbender]

I didn't read it, but I did mention several times in this thread what I base my arguments upon.

I remember you giving quotes from the Quran which were taken out of context.

Not that I think it's that significant, but did you read the Quran cover to cover?

I did. I didn't compare to the Arabic, because I don't know Arabic. I think it is not the most important matter, but I do think you need to at least read a text completely before you criticize it.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I remember you giving quotes from the Quran which were taken out of context.

Yes, though the author of the book I mentioned, Robert Spencer, did read the quotes in context, in fact detailing how different texts stem from different periods in Mohammed's life. Though historians can distinguish these different 'divisions' of the Quran, many readers, while hypnotically reciting it perhaps, are unaware of the context. That's where part of the problem lies, according to the author. It would be best for the muslim community itself to admit this about their scripture and warn fellow muslims about this, yet so far this has not happened.

 

[restin]

002.035 And We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

002.036 Then did Satan make them slip from the (Garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. And We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

Wait, if I remember right, and I am quite sure, than Satan was originally not meantioned as being the Serpent. What kind of text do you cite here?