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For those who want to live in a fantasy world and / or have weak nerves DONT READ ANY FURTHER . I don`t want to argue , or hurt anyone i just want to clear things up . This is not directed at anyone personaly , its directed to all the gulable people out there who have heard all the modern new age hippy witch / pagan / druid fantasy shit and believe it .


The word wicca is Anglo-Saxon and means "Craft of the Wise" . In the U.K. there are still some familys that are heredatory witches , who live in total secrecy since the 14th centuary and dont usualy initiate anyone , only very , very rarely , and they do not use flyagaric . The last time that some of them showed themselves as witches was in the second world war when they sent messages to the british government , through middle men , to offer to help against hitler . They have only survived the witch hunts , wich they say killed 9 million of them , by keeping absolute silence . The witch hunts lasted in england till 1951 when the last of the "Wichcraft Acts" was taken off the Statute Book .

Modern public "knowledge" about witches and their practices comes starting from 1964 when familys and coverns that had lost most of their knowledge because they had started to die out , tried to find remnants of each other . The only source of real , though incomplete , information about these witches comes from them through an organisation called the Witchcraft Research Association . Real witches despise them as traiters . All the people who openly and falsly call themselves witches or wicca nowardays are kids playing personal fantasy pantomime games , ( as are all modern pseudo "druids" and "pagans" ) using "knowledge" stolen and twisted out of all preportion from these familys .

Witches keep no written records as they believe that history repeats itself , since the start of the witch hunts everything that they know and practice is handed down by word of mouth from a man to a woman and then from the woman to a man . Only in emergencies would a woman pass her knowledge only to her daughter and a man only to his son . Before the witch hunts they used to pass their knowledge to their children starting at the age of about 5 years old . Covens have always been completely autonomous . indipendant entitys , not bound to any others exept in a sense of being afiliated . Witchcraft started about 4000 years ago and came out of "The old religeon" originaly a matriacle neolithic hunting religeon , the fertility cult of "The Great Mother" and "The Wise Old Man" . It is much older than druidism wich dates back to the 5th century B.C. and it is a cult , they use the magic circle and they practice and teach the "Mysterys" = magic, wich means telepathy , faith-healing , hypnotism , pre-cognition , clairvoiance and astral projection . Witches do not practice black magic . Black magic was started in the 15th century by missguided witches at the start of the inquisition to fight back against it .The inquisition was started by pope Innocent (!!!!) the VIII in 1484 . Black magic and devil worship are similar in some ways to each other but are not the same .



Have you any comments ? Thoughts ? Theorys ? Ideas ?
 
I don´t think the wiccan tradition has anything to do with the pagan believes of the old Europeans.
If you look at the system most wiccans use it´s based on ritual magick like the system of the golden dawn and the OTO.

If you look at ritual Magick you will find a lot of parallels with wicca rituals.
This is not surprising because Gerald Garnder (one of the founders of modern witchcraft) met with Aleister Crowley and was made an member of the OTO

but there is more to all of this ofcourse.
 
The inquisition was started by pope Innocent (!!!!) the VIII in 1484 .

That's not true, the inquisition started around 1200....In southern france. I have done lots of research. I will reply tonight again, i don't have lots of time right now.

You do not believe this crap do you?
 
I didnt say that there is or was a conection between the wicca and pagans . What i ment is that most if not all of the people who call themselves wicca and pagans are realy people dressing up in fantasy costumes and doing ceremonys that they have thought out themselves . If there are any real wicca familys that survived the inquisition they dont do their rituals in public or advertise .

"If you look at ritual Magick you will find a lot of parallels with wicca rituals. "

what wicca rituals ? I think , because you talk about Gerald Garnder and Aleister Crowley your talking about fantasy wicca and fantays magik rituals . You did say paralless = not authentic ? You also said the founder of modern wichcraft = not authentic wichcraft .
 
GOD a dit:
I didnt say that there is or was a conection between the wicca and pagans . What i ment is that most if not all of the people who call themselves wicca and pagans are realy people dressing up in fantasy costumes and doing ceremonys that they have thought out themselves . If there are any real wicca familys that survived the inquisition they dont do their rituals in public or advertise .

"If you look at ritual Magick you will find a lot of parallels with wicca rituals. "

what wicca rituals ? I think , because you talk about Gerald Garnder and Aleister Crowley your talking about fantasy wicca and fantays magik rituals . You did say paralless = not authentic ? You also said the founder of modern wichcraft = not authentic wichcraft .


PLEASE READ MY POST AGAIN.
 
My last post might not have made any sense to you as the posts that you have made since the first one by Magick werent there when i wrote it . I was replying to one post .

"the inquisition started around 1200"

The burning or wich trials might have but the oficial start of the catholic churches inquisition was when i said and by who i said .


I have made statements , if you know they arent true please proove it .
 
GOD a dit:
I have made statements , if you know they arent true please proove it .

READ MY POST (again) AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I THINK ABOUT IT:
 
You mean "the inquisition started around 1200" ?

Youve been looking in wiki havent you ? Wiki isnt perfect .

The "burning time" as the wicca called it started when you said . The inquisition anonced by a papal bull reached england when i said in 1484 . The document from pope inocent VIII started with the words "It has come to our ears that numbers of both sexes do not avoid to have intercource with daemons . incubi and succubi ; and that by their sorceries , and by incantations , charms and conjurations they suffocate , extinguish and cause to perish the births of women, the increase of animals , the corn in the ground , the grapes in the vinyard and the fruit of the trees , as well as men , women , flocks , herds and various kinds of animals , vines and aple trees , grass , corn , and other fruits of the earth ; makeing and procuring that men and women , flocks and herds and other animals shall suffer ."

Where did you get your information ? Mine comes from the first gathering of wiches since before the "burning time" in england in 1964 .

As i said , if you dissagree with me please prove what you say . Remember how often i have been told to prove what i say and have always done it on this site ? Now its time for others to prove what they say .
 
Well, the fact that there is some old and real wicca and some new fantasy wicca doesn't make the old and real wicca much less fantasy, does it?

Because in 1000 years the now fantasy wicca will be the ancient tradition, as will be scientology and other weird beliefs like mormonism.

Just because it's old doesn't make it more truthful, right?
 
"Just because it's old doesn't make it more truthful, right?"

Right . But the real ones are authentic and it was based on thousands of years of tradition . The new ones are pure carnival and bull shitters . Just another case of "The bored housewife syndrome" .
 
Wich the fuck was that !!!!!

I like it .
 
Wheewww.. some people have good LSD :?

Umm... who cares when the real inquisition really began ? If anything is true then probably the most proeminent and important witches got assasinated way before they started having popular support to do it openly in kind of big freak death orgies which are worse than witchcraft in my opinion. I would rent an ultra-light just for the pleasure of shitting on those people's heads :lol:

They are supposed to be descendants of Mary Magdalene, and if you research deeper, you'll understand where ritual pulls all its source from : Kabalah. But you are also right in saying that it wasn't written but passed from mother to daughter (mostly by mimicking and improvisating, not really "teachings"), it did not really work with the males. (no I have no proof, I just know)

Where does Kabalah come from ? Middle east. Thats where the male sorcerers were full force, it was their kind of witchcraft, completely different from the real white witches who were generally benevolent. Kabalah witchcraft leans heavily on the power of words and ritual, whilst true magik is rather in dance and non-verbal chants.

Here you got the babylonian people who stole it from the lemurians (Mu) then the old jews stole it from them, then the crusaders templars stole it from them, then the church stole it from them. Well there remained a bit of each in each you know...

Black magic for all useful purposes originated in lemurian voodoo during the time of atlantis ; it's older than we can recall with proof. The first we really heard about it was in babylone, sacrifices and rituals for purpose of black magic and population control were commonplace and well documented !
 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
Wheewww.. some people have good LSD :?

Get yourself ready with various experiences, to build up a trust with acid. And when you feel you're ready after your lucy in the sky experience with 300 ug...

Dose 500 ug or more at once and I guarantee that the physical effect speeds up the visual stream so fast that you start to forget your own physical presence.

Larry Carlson's flower power will be the last passage prior to the contentless state of mind in where silver and gold hangs in front of what is supposed to be you. At least that's what we tend to call it.

At that point, being a total concrete stone = freedom.

Don't be afraid as a caterpillar to jump into your cocoon. A butterfly flies out and becomes a man. Caterpillars are hating themselve and do everything to eliminate each other as displeased childeren.
 
Oh I had that once... and didn't really mean to ; it was horribly shallow however for me. I spent 3 hours trying to find something that wouldn't move, because I had enough of the 10 hours of "letting go" prior to that... oh I wasn't afraid, until a sid barret song came in, it was horribly full of distortion and I couldn't bear it... I had an lsd anxiety crisis, and when it was over we didn't even put anymore music on, in good sane fear that it could invade our minds for evermore.

I would never do that again !

Hehe the article on lemuria reminds me of how much bullshit we have around us ; we are truely each unique in a big pond of shit attempting to bloom into a lotus.

The modern plate tectonics... this is bullshit... as if india could crash against asia to form mountains... yea two 10 miles deep granit slabs crash into each other, sorry but you get a few bits blown off AND they would rebound and thats it. And don't even try to tell me about a 10 mile deep plate being pushed by a somehow miraculous unexplained force under another 10 mile slab, in magma twice as dense. It would be like trying to push a plank under another in water, it simply cannot be done without the hand of god, so much for steel gold science.

God did you do that to fool them ? it's not a nice thing to do ! :P

This is so total bollocks ; India can separate from africa and go crash into asia as if two gigantic rockets propelled it with some magic force ; but lemuria can't separate off Asia and sink into the ocean... They're right tho... it's 10 miles DEEP , so it can't... or is it ?

They forgot to tell that Mu is a continent made of floating gold (yes, magic, beleive it or not), in the middle of the pacific sea, and if it lost its magic and sunk because of the same stupid scientists (history repeats itself?) as we have now who would have blown us off the same way if we weren't at the end of time and the ETS came to help un in another dimention, we'd be dead by now. Thanks for complimenting my syntax :)

THEN... imagine with how much force a HUGE island would crash to the bottom of the sea, that would obviously be a huge cataclysm provoking such an event... like a mega nuclear weapon, strong enough to tilt the earth axis and freeze atlantis *ahem* antartica over, which is by the way named ATLANT on most old world maps and has the exact same shape as plato's map if you remove the glaciers aronud it... magical soft water glaciers that are crystalline blue and supposedly taste sweet and supposedly feels smoother than anything else on earth. Oh yeah , those must... sprout off the ground ! Steel cold science...

You know... sometimes I seem not to recall people don't know all supporting evidence, tell me when I do that, but please be nice and ask questions ok ? I'm a sensitive man...
 
GOD a dit:
You mean "the inquisition started around 1200" ?

Youve been looking in wiki havent you ? Wiki isnt perfect .

The "burning time" as the wicca called it started when you said . The inquisition anonced by a papal bull reached england when i said in 1484 . The document from pope inocent VIII started with the words "It has come to our ears that numbers of both sexes do not avoid to have intercource with daemons . incubi and succubi ; and that by their sorceries , and by incantations , charms and conjurations they suffocate , extinguish and cause to perish the births of women, the increase of animals , the corn in the ground , the grapes in the vinyard and the fruit of the trees , as well as men , women , flocks , herds and various kinds of animals , vines and aple trees , grass , corn , and other fruits of the earth ; makeing and procuring that men and women , flocks and herds and other animals shall suffer ."

Where did you get your information ? Mine comes from the first gathering of wiches since before the "burning time" in england in 1964 .

As i said , if you dissagree with me please prove what you say . Remember how often i have been told to prove what i say and have always done it on this site ? Now its time for others to prove what they say .


GOD :?: what are you doing
READ MY POST.
 
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