Nothing ever dies????

[restin]

There is no order. Chaos is everything and that is what makes it so beautiful. If we were able to open our eyes to an infinite infinite range, we'd be able to see chaos. But as we only see a part of chaos, we build up rules that fit this range.

eg:

F=mg

counts for a certain range of knowledge. Modern scientists deal with newer formulae as the range has widened. Still, this will be never ultimate as only chaos is.

 

[Meduzz]

Not necessarily Meduzz, I think, it would like saying: since everything is made of matter, bound by time, and traversing space-time always, then time and space are of no meaning.
What do you think?

Only matter is made of matter, and there is lots more besides matter.

"since everything that is, is information, nothing dies. it just transcends into something else."

BINGO
Death is nothing more than a transformation, and as everything changes, everything dies.

Something that doesn't die is some sort of equivalent of a perpetuum mobile.

 

[Nomada]

Not necessarily Meduzz, I think, it would like saying: since everything is made of matter, bound by time, and traversing space-time always, then time and space are of no meaning.
What do you think?

Only matter is made of matter, and there is lots more besides matter.

"since everything that is, is information, nothing dies. it just transcends into something else."

BINGO
Death is nothing more than a transformation, and as everything changes, everything dies.

Something that doesn't die is some sort of equivalent of a perpetuum mobile.

got it, now I understand what you mean.

If things can't stop dying and changing in the process [or vice versa], wouldn't that be a perpetuum mobile by itself?

 

[Meduzz]

If things can't stop dying and changing in the process [or vice versa], wouldn't that be a perpetuum mobile by itself?

You can rephrase that question as: "Will the universe always keep existing?"
And I don't know the answer to that

 

[BrainEater]

probably we need the ultimate answer to the Life, the Universe and Everything, but maybe we might need the ultimate question to the Life, the Universe and Everything first!!!!!!!!!

 

[magickmumu]

since everything that is, is information, nothing dies. it just transcends into something else.

I like to replace information with energy.

 

[Meduzz]

Information needs energy.

G = H - TS

 

[magickmumu]

Information needs energy.

G = H - TS

:?:

 

[BrainEater]

:arrow: :idea: energy needs information! to transform itself more intelligently.

peace. :weedman:

 

[Meduzz]

Thermodynamics. S stands for the entropy of a system, that is a measurement for the chaos in a system. When the entropy of a system goes down, eg. when polypeptide chains are formed, there is energy needed. The Gibbs free energy (G) is the amount of energy a system can provide for the reaction.

In short: decrease in chaos needs energy

 

[BrainEater]

why equals a decrease of chaos with the need of energy????????????????

 

[magickmumu]

I understand, but how is this related to information?

 

[BrainEater]

I understand, but how is this related to information?

well... in a way everything is information... even energy and everything else.... you can represent it to another mind by language thus it is (possible) information.

if you can observe something, it is (possible) information.


my question now would be whether the universe would eventually follow it's highest state of order or it's highest state of chaos if it has both contained in itself???? the guess to the answer of the question would be: it does both at the same time, hence maintaining a balance.

 

[psm]

There is no order. Chaos is everything and that is what makes it so beautiful.

actually there is a combination of both. otherwise nothing would exist.
order itself does not move, not evolve, thus obsolete in existence. chaos is beautiful and ever changing, but a destructive force. if it would be chaos alone, existence would have ceased very fast, in a very climatic and beautiful high.

only the synergy of both makes the universe move at a good pace, evolving, with enough weirdness to be fun, but too destructive and with a few rules that can be bent and changed once in a while...

so says the sacred chao


Hail Eris!

 

[psm]

back to topic:

death is just a circumstancetional stage of matter or energy (depending on the state of information). It does as such not really exist, because it is a predominant view of those that think they live. truth is, we are just passing through. we come from nothingness and we go back there in just a blink of an eye. there is no life or death, but a state in which our reality defines a conscious that sees death at the end of its journey. none of it is true to the universe itself.

 

[magickmumu]

What enters your mind trough your senses is information. Is that what you are trying to say?
So the world we know is build up by the information we have.

Are energy and information the same or are they Individual
forces?????

 

[psm]

What enters your mind trough your senses is information. Is that what you are trying to say?
So the world we know is build up by the information we have.

Are energy and information the same or are they Individual
forces?????

information is the essence of all there is. information is transported in the form of energy, which can form matter.
this form of energy is then again interpreted. but since we are information ourselves, that is energy bundled to a form of matter, we transcript and interpret energy/information. this is the common ground of all existence. god is the mechanism of creating and transcending information.

 

[restin]

exactly,and that's why the universe will end up with "heat death"

 

[random]

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html

 

[GOD]

"death is just a circumstancetional stage of matter or energy (depending on the state of information). It does as such not really exist, because it is a predominant view of those that think they live. truth is, we are just passing through. we come from nothingness and we go back there in just a blink of an eye. there is no life or death, but a state in which our reality defines a conscious that sees death at the end of its journey. none of it is true to the universe itself."

Pseudo intellectual rubish and platitudes .