how should vegetarians feed their pets?

[mysticwarrior]

well yes in general commercial milk is taken by machines, and cows only give this amount of milk by taking their calves away when they are born, so its quite shitty situation.. but small producers can get milk without taking the calves away and without machines (but you would need to know the small producers)

Chickens are not necessarily tortured for their eggs.. Chickens lay unfertilized eggs and just ´abandon´ it, no matter what you do. The problem is obviously that most chickens live in small cages nowadays, but its quite possible to find free-running organic chicken.. I personally eat eggs, but only from this good kind

Of course this is true. But i do not need animal products, so i will not use it. Living strictly vegan is for me a way of life. I am used to live like this... And I am happy with it. I don't mind if someone else use biological milk or eggs. Ass long as the are really biological.

well not really, about the b12.. normal beer yeast does not contain b12, it has to be fortified..

I heart this before, but i don't give so much attention on me and b12. I just eat healthy, i have some vitamin b complex pills where is also b12 in it. But i take them only once in 2 or 3 months or something like that.

All of the Vitamin B12 in the world ultimately comes from bacteria. Neither plants nor animals can synthesize it. But plants can be contaminated with B12 when they come in contact with soil bacteria that produce it. Animal foods are rich in B12 only because animals eat foods that are contaminated with it or because bacteria living in an animal's intestines make it.

There also a lot humans who eat meat etc, but also have a lack of b12. So i don't know what i really need to believe. After 10 years without animal products i still feel more healthy then the times i where still ate meat and diary products etc.

Well if thats true where do i get my B12 from for the last 34 years ? Or am i proof that people dont realy need B12 ? As i said i`m as fit as a fiddle and i have my blood tested once a month and am told that my blood values are exelent . When people find out how old i am they dont believe it .

It would not amaze me if would be if you could just live without b12. I heard a lot more stories about people who did not care about there b12 and still living healthy and have nothing to complain.... It seems that some have problems with that, but this also happens to people who are eating meat etc. So it really would not amaze me

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[GOD]

Oppps !!!! I just remembered that for the last few months i get 5 - 10 daily doses of B12 a month through drinking multivitamin juice . Maybe that and the milk is enough ?

 

[endlessness]

There was a study made a long time ago that said that children who had lived as vegans from birth that their bodys could synthesise its own B12 .

I would love a source on this

I drink about 1 liter of milk a day but its 1.5 % fat homogenised sterilised milk so i`m not sure if theres any B12 in it , or if there is if its in the quantitys a body needs ?

1 liter is a lot of milk, sounds like a good amount of b12.. Do you eat eggs or any cakes that have eggs, or cheese of any kind? these also have b12

also what we have to remember is that humans need as little as 2 micrograms a day of b12, and that we can form big reserves of b12, being able to live without it for years if we had previously eaten a good amount, unlike other vitamins or food products that are needed constantly.

Of course this is true. But i do not need animal products, so i will not use it. Living strictly vegan is for me a way of life. I am used to live like this... And I am happy with it. I don't mind if someone else use biological milk or eggs. Ass long as the are really biological.

sure I wasnt trying to convince you into not being a vegan.. Im happy that people here care about these things

 

[mysticwarrior]

sure I wasnt trying to convince you into not being a vegan.. Im happy that people here care about these things Smile

I know

How do you know this stuff about b12, are you a vegetarian or vegan yourself?

 

[GOD]

The only animal product i eat is milk . Does B12 survive being heated to the temperatures that sterilised milk is heated . ( here the sort i drink is called "UHT" milk = ultra high heated ) .

I will think about where i read about that study , but it was a long time ago so maybe i wont find it . I think it had to do with bacteria in a babys stomach and that if the baby didnt eat dead animals it could provide the B12 . And that that posibility would be lost if it wasnt needed .

 

[endlessness]

sure I wasnt trying to convince you into not being a vegan.. Im happy that people here care about these things Smile

I know

How do you know this stuff about b12, are you a vegetarian or vegan yourself?

yes I try to be conscious healthy eater.. I have a healthy mostly vegetarian diet, with the rare exception of some small-scale local fish.. I dont drink milk, but do eat organic free-running chicken eggs... definitely no commercial eggs.. I do drink yoghurt or kefir ocasionally but I make it myself with organic good treated cow milk

even the vegetables and fruits I try to eat the most I can of organic, but can´t all the time due to price.. If I had the money I would only eat organic

The only animal product i eat is milk . Does B12 survive being heated to the temperatures that sterilised milk is heated . ( here the sort i drink is called "UHT" milk = ultra high heated ) .

its a good question whether 1l UHT milk has enough b12.. wikipedia states UHT has less b12 but doesnt specify the number, but I would guess 1l provides enough

if you ever do find this research you mentioned, pm me or revive this thread, im always interested in this sort of thing

 

[mysticwarrior]

I love to see, that there are so many psychonauts, thinking about or being a vegetarian.

even the vegetables and fruits I try to eat the most I can of organic, but can´t all the time due to price.. If I had the money I would only eat organic

Yeah, that's a big issue for me to. I almost can't afford biological food. I buy it some times, but the bills keep coming

Greets,
Mystic.

 

[GOD]

Just a thought .

I hope we realise that if we eat mushrooms we are not vegan or vegetarian . I dont mean that flesh of the gods is real flesh . I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ........

 

[BrainEater]

Just a thought .

I hope we realise that if we eat mushrooms we are not vegan or vegetarian . I dont mean that flesh of the gods is real flesh . I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ........

can you explain GOD????

well to be exact, in my knowledge being vegan does mean: not eating anything that is originated from animals... like milk, cheese, etc.

so mushrooms are neither animals nor plants which would make it a vegan food ????

or am i wrong here???

 

[druglessdouglas]

wild mushrooms always have gnat larvae (little maggots) living in them. there are always things living on them. if you dry them everything tries to wriggle away but there are usually maggots left in the shrooms. you end up with a "halo" of gnat larva around your drying mushrooms. they are the best part :tonqe:

 

[GOD]

"or am i wrong here???"

Yes . You didnt read what i wrote , or you didnt understand it .

 

[endlessness]

Just a thought .

I hope we realise that if we eat mushrooms we are not vegan or vegetarian . I dont mean that flesh of the gods is real flesh . I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ........

yes you are technically right..

but for me its not about being absolute in my vegetarianism.. It´s more of respect to nature, not being exaggerated and wasteful..

The meat is a problem the way I see it because of the extremes, living in cages, hormones, forest cut down for making grazing area, etc.. If people would just cut down, eat less meat, and when so, eating good free-running humanely killed meat, then the world would be a much better place imo.. I dont have so much of a problem with the indigenous natives that hunt their own meat occasionally, for example, because it is not a daily thing, they do it with respect and the animal lived well

I think another point that I thought about is that people should only eat things that they would get it themselves. I personally could never kill a cow, so I dont feel in the moral right to eat one. I think people should be educated to know where their food come from, and if they eat it, it means they accept and agree with all the process until it got to their plate, and therefore are morally responsible for it

I find it funny sometimes when people, even in my family, are watching tv and some nature channel is on, where animals are being killed, and then they are like "oh I dont like to see animal suffer, change the channel".. Then 5 mins after its lunch time and they are happily eating some big fat meat or something..

So I dont think necessarily all meat and animal is bad, but the way its done yes, and if it was all made humanely and in much smaller amounts, then I would have no problem (though I would personally continue being vegetarian)

 

[GOD]

When i was a kid i was forced to eat about every type of meat that is available in my country . I found the taste extremely boring and limited , and for me it was like chewing rubber . The bit about being against the exploitation of animals came later as my personaliy started developing and i could/was allowed to choose/think for myself .

 

[tryptonaut]

Chickens are not necessarily tortured for their eggs.. Chickens lay unfertilized eggs and just ´abandon´ it, no matter what you do. The problem is obviously that most chickens live in small cages nowadays, but its quite possible to find free-running organic chicken.. I personally eat eggs, but only from this good kind

I only buy "free-range" eggs. That's a certificate which guarantees the chickens have a certain amount of space and they can go outdoors as they like. Bio/organic are even better - but as I don't have that much money, I can live with the free-range eggs.
By the way in Switzerland there's a law against small cages for chickens - very good. Here in Germany most people just buy the cheapest eggs and don't care for the animals at all.

When i was a kid i was forced to eat about every type of meat that is available in my country . I found the taste extremely boring and limited , and for me it was like chewing rubber .

When I started being a vegetarian, I thought I would maybe buy some bio/organic steak once a month or so as a special treat. I did that like two times or so, then I realized it didn't taste that special. I had been paying a lot of money (like 7 Euro for a piece of bio filet steak) and then it tasted just boring. I found out that most of the tastes I had liked about meat wasn't the meat, but the seasoning/marinade and the roast aroma. You can have that with vegetarian/vegan food as well!

 

[GOD]

For me meat blocked the taste of other foods . When i stoped eating it the variety of flavours and the full taste of vegetables came through . I think its a bit like tobaco smokers not being able to taste the full flavour of things or smell things as good .

 

[BrainEater]

"I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ......."

I didn't understand the whole sentence i quoted here...

So you say shrooms are flesh of the god, but flesh of the gods isn't real flesh and therefore it's alright for vegetarians?? of am i wrong again?? :weedman:

 

[endlessness]

"I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ......."

I didn't understand the whole sentence i quoted here...

So you say shrooms are flesh of the god, but flesh of the gods isn't real flesh and therefore it's alright for vegetarians?? of am i wrong again?? :weedman:

he was talking about the worms that live in the shrooms, which means you are eating some non-vegetarian life form

 

[BrainEater]

"I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ......."

I didn't understand the whole sentence i quoted here...

So you say shrooms are flesh of the god, but flesh of the gods isn't real flesh and therefore it's alright for vegetarians?? of am i wrong again?? :weedman:

he was talking about the worms that live in the shrooms, which means you are eating some non-vegetarian life form

thanks for pointing that out but i wonder why GOD couldn't tell me that ... probably he didn't believe me that i udnerstood something or that i even read what he wrote ...

probably that's why he said that...


peace :weedman:

 

[GOD]

JFC......I clearly said :-

" I dont mean that flesh of the gods is real flesh . I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ........"

 

[BrainEater]

JFC......I clearly said :-

" I dont mean that flesh of the gods is real flesh . I mean the magots and nematoden in the mushrooms ........"

sorry GOD i am so sorry i was too stupid to understand it.