how should vegetarians feed their pets?

[tryptonaut]

If you're a real vegan you're not supposed to keep animals

why? dogs have a relationship with us that spans thousands of years... it transcends what you eat.

Well, as far as I know restraining any animal would be wrong in a strict vegan sense. But on the other hand a dog doesn't need to be restricted too much to stay with you if you give him food, he stays
A leash though wouldn't be vegan anymore! You know vegans claim all human rights to animals as well (they'd call you a "speciesist" if you were to say "the dog doesn't mind the leash")

 

[Razor29]

please people dont stick you ideology on to your pets! please give them only the best food no matter what it was

fuck id feed my dog republicans if i could, canned republicans
:twisted:

 

[mysticwarrior]

endlessness, what a cute dog!!!!

Isn't vegan dog food a little contradictory? If you're a real vegan you're not supposed to keep animals, are you?

Why not? There can be a lot reasons why a person would turn vegan. I turned vegan, because there are thousands of animals killed everyday in factory farms, that looks like concentration camps. 10 years ago, i thought that this was to cruel, i needed to do something about it. I did not wanted to be a part of that. so i first started to be a vegetarian. But since cows etc are also tortured because of there milk, and chickens are being tortured for there eggs i realized that as if i turned out to be a vegan, i did not have to be a part of this anymore.

This has nothing to do with keeping a dog, what feels his self better if he eats just as myself vegan.

You know vegans claim all human rights to animals as well (they'd call you a "speciesist" if you were to say "the dog doesn't mind the leash")

Where did you learn this? Did you watch to much tv and listened to the propaganda about vegan terrorists?

I am vegan because all the torturing that are out there! And since we do not need to kill or torture animals, it just pure greet, to keep on torturing and killing animals. If i would live in the prehistoric, and i needed to survive, then i would have kill an animals because i needed it. But now a days, we don't need meat or any animal ingredients at all. So it's greet, BIG MONEY and lots of propaganda what influence people like you, to just keep on eating meat.

And yeah, there are people who want animals to have the same right as humans do. And i don't think this is wrong! Animals are important, and we really need to realize that they feel just as we do! There a part of nature, which we kill and torture for GREET!

please people dont stick you ideology on to your pets! please give them only the best food no matter what it was

If you have nothing to say, please don't post here. If i give my dog meat, he feels sick! Because all the shit what's in it. Meat is not meat anymore! It's not healthy anymore, nor for dogs or humans.

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[Razor29]

well mysticwarrior please find a different source for meat since the one you have is clearly not so good

then again you might just have Dementia from a severe lack of vitamin b12 since you don't eat meat

 

[mysticwarrior]

I have pasted some links for you who don't understand what we humans are doing to animals! So please look this animals in there eyes and reconsider if this is right or not!

vivisection:

Mass killing

Mink farms:

animal rights:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2gLR9ez-Dg

Cows with guns!

The Meatrix Great education video!
http://www.themeatrix.com

 

[mysticwarrior]

well mysticwarrior please find a different source for meat since the one you have is clearly not so good

Who do you think you are!

then again you might just have Dementia from a severe lack of vitamin b12 since you don't eat meat

And you know nothing about being vegan at all! I know enough sources for my b12! So mind your own business, i know enough about keeping healthy with just vegetables!

So please, go watch television and believe all the propaganda whats on there! Keep on dreaming, but mind your own fucking life!

 

[GOD]

Vegans dont use or abuse animals . That doesnt rule out looking after animals or having animals as friends .

You can get B12 from beer yeast .

I thought that the foto of you Endlessness and the little kid was good , but you have big ears . Is that position 93 ?

 

[Razor29]

well not as much as meat has GOD i do know some vegans and they show signed of lack of b12 even with compensation such as trying other foods filled with b12 or supplement and they never work as good

meaning they have tingles in the end of their fingers and sometimes slight numbness at the end of the of their hands and fingers not to mention the dementia line was a sarcastic joke after all

well im not sure how i can be my dogs friend

dogs are house pets they became that way! just take my dog and let him be free he would die in an hour! at least i try and take care of dogs that where previously abused by their old owners

 

[GOD]

It sounds to me like the people you know arent eating right . I`m not vegan , i drink milk , but i`m as fit as a fiddle and my doctors always compliment me on my fitness .

 

[tryptonaut]

mysticwarrior, I didn't know you were vegan yourself. I absolutely respect that, I even find it amazing. I'm a half-ass vegetarian myself (I'm eating fish, although I know that the oceans are over-fished - still I don't find it as bad as industrialized meat production). I cut down massively on the dairy products (switched milk for soy milk, butter for margarine). I can't keep off the cheese though, but I buy only bio/organic cheese.

If you are vegan, you certainly know that the hardcore vegans are not a myth. They do exist, and they wouldn't approve of a leash for a dog. There are different ways to interpret "vegan" - one interpretation is to live straight edge with no drugs and alcohol as well. I've been reading a bit here and there on vegan forums for recipes and general tipps. There are definitely vegans who would bash you for keeping a pet...

 

[mysticwarrior]

mysticwarrior, I didn't know you were vegan yourself. I absolutely respect that, I even find it amazing. I'm a half-ass vegetarian myself (I'm eating fish, although I know that the oceans are over-fished - still I don't find it as bad as industrialized meat production). I cut down massively on the dairy products (switched milk for soy milk, butter for margarine). I can't keep off the cheese though, but I buy only bio/organic cheese.

Great respect from me and lots of animals!

If you are vegan, you certainly know that the hardcore vegans are not a myth. They do exist, and they wouldn't approve of a leash for a dog. There are different ways to interpret "vegan" - one interpretation is to live straight edge with no drugs and alcohol as well. I've been reading a bit here and there on vegan forums for recipes and general tipps.

It's sure no myth, but the media makes it worser then it really is. I've been an animal rights activist for years and i know that the media and governments spread there propaganda to stop all the activists. There is only a really small hardcore group of straidght edge activists, that are breaking the law for the cause of animal abuse. Some intend to save and liberate animals from laboratory's and factory farms, which only creates good counscious and then you have the stupid dumb assess who are ruing it for the good people, and burning down slaughter houses etc. But this group is so small..... But this bastards sadly enough get the most attention.

There are definitely vegans who would bash you for keeping a pet...

I always took my dogs with me on demonstrations and never med anyone complaining about me having dogs. Especially if i told them my dogs where vegan i also knew some hardcore vegans, and even one of them had a dog him self They all love animals, so i don't think they would bash you for keeping a pet.

 

[????????]

There are definitely vegans who would bash you for keeping a pet...

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with having pets! I think the problem is with the "keeping a pet" attitude, I mean, like you are the owner of a dog or something. People who love their dogs don't feel like they own them rather that they are their friends and companions.

 

[endlessness]

endlessness, what a cute dog!!!!
But since cows etc are also tortured because of there milk, and chickens are being tortured for there eggs i realized that as if i turned out to be a vegan, i did not have to be a part of this anymore.

well yes in general commercial milk is taken by machines, and cows only give this amount of milk by taking their calves away when they are born, so its quite shitty situation.. but small producers can get milk without taking the calves away and without machines (but you would need to know the small producers)

Chickens are not necessarily tortured for their eggs.. Chickens lay unfertilized eggs and just ´abandon´ it, no matter what you do. The problem is obviously that most chickens live in small cages nowadays, but its quite possible to find free-running organic chicken.. I personally eat eggs, but only from this good kind

'There are definitely vegans who would bash you for keeping a pet...

well I doubt if you picked up a street dog and gave him a good life, any vegetarian would be angry, but maybe giving money to some huge dog breeders or something could generate controversy indeed

Vegans dont use or abuse animals . That doesnt rule out looking after animals or having animals as friends .

You can get B12 from beer yeast .

I thought that the foto of you Endlessness and the little kid was good , but you have big ears . Is that position 93 ?

well not really, about the b12.. normal beer yeast does not contain b12, it has to be fortified..

for people taking b12 suplements, I would suggest checking what are the sources for it. Here where I live is hard to find b12 supplements that come from good producers (the main b12 supplement comes from bayer chemicals, which is a big pharmaceutical company that I dont want to give my money to)

would be nice to know how to grow the bacteria ´Propionibacterium shermanii´ or ´Pseudomonas denitrificans´ for b12 without needing to pay someone for it hehe

 

[GOD]

" normal beer yeast does not contain b12"

Well if thats true where do i get my B12 from for the last 34 years ? Or am i proof that people dont realy need B12 ? As i said i`m as fit as a fiddle and i have my blood tested once a month and am told that my blood values are exelent . When people find out how old i am they dont believe it .

 

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[Icelus]

" normal beer yeast does not contain b12"

Well if thats true where do i get my B12 from for the last 34 years ? Or am i proof that people dont realy need B12 ? As i said i`m as fit as a fiddle and i have my blood tested once a month and am told that my blood values are exelent . When people find out how old i am they dont believe it .

Maybe you get B12 from the milk you drink?

 

[Meduzz]

Or maybe he's a mutant form who autosynthesizes his own B12
Can I have some of your genes?

 

[GOD]

There was a study made a long time ago that said that children who had lived as vegans from birth that their bodys could synthesise its own B12 .

I drink about 1 liter of milk a day but its 1.5 % fat homogenised sterilised milk so i`m not sure if theres any B12 in it , or if there is if its in the quantitys a body needs ?