Horrible problem(s)

[phatass]

taking shrooms after coming out of the psych ward.... now theres a clever idea... you sound really intelligent

 

[Vlad]

It felt like the right thing to do.
Doing the right thing got me well again.
Mushrooms are probably in nature for a reason.
We, our society, scientifically, views them as psychosis inducing.
What if they can (also) be used to cure it?

 

[spice]

That's irrational, Vlad.

You said these problems manifested when you used DMT.

Mushrooms are about as close as you can get to DMT, without it actually being DMT. They contain 'substituted' forms of DMT, with what is called phosphoryl-oxy groups at the #4 position on the ring.

Chemically; 4-phosphoryl-oxy Dimethyltryptamine.

If DMT CREATED the problem, it is highly unlikely more of the same type stuff is going to help it.

 

[Vlad]

No DMT did not create the problem though I realize my post might have implied that.
I'll just copy/paste what I wrote at DMT Nexus in response to the same question.

"Beginning 2007 after taking mushrooms I all at once saw a blue triangle with an eye in it. These beings seemed benign. Then I got put into a psychiatric ward,[because of an arguement with the police over energy lines, Feng Shui] when I got out [after a shitload of Risperdal] I saw other beings, all malign. It's not like I imagined them, they appear whether I think about them or not. In fact I rarely have thoughts. Whenever I think I feel like my thoughts are 'captured' or screened or something. These beings react to thought like on a trip. I suppose the mushrooms catalyzed something that made me see these beings. But afterwards after being injected with Risperdal it became worse.
One time I was so desperate that I wanted to electrocute/short-circuit myself because I figured these beings are electric, and I literally did take high voltage from the power outlet and touched both ends of the wire. The images of the beings for like a full second stopped moving, and then I figured something is not normal. The images are electric, and stopped for a moment after a short circuit. Apart from that I don't know what to make of it."

 

[spice]

First this. I smoked DMT last summer. I know it was pure DMT. It came from MHRB and when I smoked it before I saw a kaleidoscope of colors which I've been told is what you see before you break through.
Took a good hit. Then.
My breath stopped and my ability to swallow stopped.
I couldn't breathe. No ability to inhale or exhale air.
I couldn't swallow. Horrible feeling. Like my lungs and throat were paralyzed.

I saw behind-above-right of me something like a yellow entity that communicated and said 'cut yourself'. I suppose some kind of sacrasm or irony on what happened to me, like, look at yourself, you can't breathe and are going to suffocate, and can't swallow... cut yourself, let blood flow.

I felt intuitively what I could do. That was look into a mirror.
I went to the bathroom and did so.
Then I felt air enter my lungs, from below, upward, and then I could breathe again.
I swear this is paranormal and I realize it sounds like bullshit but I'm telling the absolute truth.

I then got swallow gag reflexes, and after maybe 10 to 20 of those I could fully swallow once, then more, and more until it was normal again and I could swallow normally.

Then, looking at my hands and arms, I noticed like I was becoming more wiry. Like my body was more muscular and while looking at myself and feeling becoming normal I noticed myself becoming more 'normal', less muscular and more wiry again. Very strange.

Apart from that, nothing special ever happened to me on DMT.

However, during the last year, I've been 'harassed' by electronic-digital, like drawn out of electric light appearing entities, beings, intelligences (especially intelligent), or whatever. They called themselves electronic jews, communicate in a sort of telepathy, and seemed bent on controlling me. Nobody to talk about it, nobody believes it, in fact I got put into a psychiatric ward, and released. Though Risperdal fucked me up and changed nothing about the electronic jews (only seems to have made it worse in fact). Told the doc about my breath halting on DMT, and no reaction.

These electric beings seem to be specialists in mind control. When I smoked DMT again after having the breath halted experience, I noticed these beings again, and how they control my mind. I can't seem to get rid of them and it goes beyond simply being psychotic/having a psychosis. They fuck with my free will and emotions and feelings. With EVERYTHING. Like they know my body and brain light years beyond what science knows. And the worst is I haven't lost my free will. I always feel, or they let me feel what is 'right', and what is 'wrong', and I can always 'choose' though choosing what is right usually ends up with me having to follow some kind of intuition. It's very subtle, so subtle as remembering a dream. But I feel it. And these beings are masters of these feelings/energies it seems. They call themselves electronic jews.
Give you an example of their humour. One day I was lying on my bed wondering what is going on with my head/brain/whatever. Thinking in concepts not in words. Then at once I hear a voice in their flavour of talking, saying 'kaput!'. Funny in a kind of way but still...

When I feel under their control I feel like there is an ectoplasmic energy over my chest, controlling my breath and feelings and nerves.

Know what? I got tested by a neurologist. No brain damage. Where do these electronic jews come from? Not just them, but other electric beings too.

Sure sounds to me like you are saying DMT caused it. :roll:

 

[Forkbender]

The only way to stop someone/something else controlling your mind is to do it yourself.

 

[GOD]

Thats true but with problems like Vlads he needs help .

 

[Forkbender]

Yes, you can get help controlling your own mind.

 

[Vlad]

Thats true but with problems like Vlads he needs help .

I am in a state now where I seldomly, rarely, like NEVER see these electric beings anymore. Maybe one fraction of a second once in a month.

I got to this point by doing irrational things yes.
By doing what feels right, not what is thought to be right.

 

[user_1919]

My advice, stay away from any psychedelic, period. Some people just aren't meant to use them.

peace & love

 

[restin]

Have you ever been to their 'therapy'? What a crock of shit. What a joke. Do a bit of drawing there. A bit of painting. A bit of talking (psychology). A bit of sports. THAT'S IT. And they lock you up for weeks on end for that 'therapy'. You barely see the doctor too. 10 minutes a week tops. Bullshit. Don't go on defending psychiatry. It's a pseudoscience. Therapy is such a load of shit and so are their medicines and I can talk about it because I had REAL PROBLEMS and NOTHING AND NONE was there to help and I was locked up for nearly a year for that stupid 'therapy' and the 'meds'. The ONLY thing the doctor could do was 'prescribe meds'. I got myself out by doing what 'felt right' and hey you know what? They call that being schizophrenic, wanting to do what 'feels right'. BUT IT HELPED AND WORKED. So much for advice from psychiatrists.

That's because you were at a bad doctor PERIOD.

Funny, you "anti-psychiatrists" only quoted one part of my post.

There are limits where self-medication really helps and where not.

You say, that the definition of "helping" varies. If someone doesn't kill himself, isn't depressed any more I think this is indeed help.

 

[Brugmansia]

DMT is a ride that should be done with proper sanity. Even though it's just 10 minutes, prepare your mind just as with any other psychedelic.

It is by far the substance that I'd classify as completely mind-blowing with a followed capitulation which goes far beyond any psilo or acid trip. You can't and shouldn't move out of your position, despite the heart beats or breath work. Fall unconsciousness, and accept losing it all, even your physical presence.

It's normal that during a break-through, the DMT dimension is sensed as completely real, there literally is no you. Mentally very strong. An instant shift up to the highest level of altered consciousness. Which makes it an exchange. The euphoria, love and short duration makes it bearable. But I don't know what it'd be if someone is not experiencing these goods.

As Morpheus would say: 'It's going into application' Apox: 'It's still nothing' Morpheus: "Tank, we're going to need a signal soon" While Neo breaths with immense fear and tries to get away from what comes over him... but once you've been put through, you really don't fight anymore and that's when you set yourself free. By not caring anymore about death, witnessing life in a way you've never seen it before.

The entities seem to have a segregated awareness on their own, but, they are just somewhere hidden in your self, and DMT makes them pop up.

 

[Guest]

So the job of psychiatrist should be given to schizos and suiciders?

yes, but RECOVERED schizos and suicide-attempters (especially recovered schizos)

they are in a perfect position to be psychiatrists.

WTF

How come schizophrenia is a valuable replacement for an eleven years long formation ?

Are you sure you didn't mixed up "psychiatrist" & "psychologist" ?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Dude Vlad, it's cool to see shit, but your making it in your own conciousness.

Super jews are not talking to you.

Ignore it, realize it's a by-product from an intense trip, and forget about it.
You're not going to get any better by saying its real, or that they are super smart and know everything.
if its from your mind, duh they know what you're thinking.

In a year you'll be perfectly fine, and realize all this was fucking a crazy ass mind fuck, but you should probably stay moderatly sober until than, atleast from entheogens and weed. Alcohol is bomb.

 

[Vlad]

Dude Vlad, it's cool to see shit, but your making it in your own conciousness.

Super jews are not talking to you.

Ignore it, realize it's a by-product from an intense trip, and forget about it.
You're not going to get any better by saying its real, or that they are super smart and know everything.

See I don't have proof it's from my own consciousness. I want proof before I accept that. All I know is I notice beings that call themselves electronic jews.

if its from your mind, duh they know what you're thinking.

Yeah I noticed they tap my thoughts, it's like an energy overlaid over my thoughts that rides along with it. I'm not sure they are in my mind. Else why would they try to 'tap' my thoughts since it's pretty much how it feels like. Before I accept proof they are part of some kind of trip I want to see proof. I just noticed beings, and tell that to people, and they either say 'dude stay off the shrooms/trip' or 'schizo'. I kinda keep an agnostic attitude towards these beings and the events.

 

[GOD]

What proof ? What will you acept as proof ? Isnt it enough that you are the only one thats sees these things ? Isnt it enough that everyone else says thjey dont exist and that you are ill ?As you said , you notice . So if its not you who the fuck is it ?

Remember weve been here before with you . You filled another thread with exactly the same crap as your filling this one with . You are obviously not interested in what anyone else says . You are obviously playing games and need us to play with . Stop being a pain and go to a doctor and get help .

" I kinda keep an agnostic attitude towards these beings and the events."

No your not . Your playing games .

 

[IJesusChrist]

You are only hearing what you want to hear, Vlad.

 

[phatass]

or trolling to piss people off...

 

[spice]

with maybe a little Mel Gibson syndrome

 

[maxfreakout]

How come schizophrenia is a valuable replacement for an eleven years long formation ?

because schizophrenia is a real experience, whereas all that psychiatrists do in their training, is study theories. The schizophrenic has experienced firsthand, what psychiatrists have only read about

schizophrenia/cognitive fragmentation explicitly reveals the structure of the mind to the person who undergoes it. Words and theories are no substitute for real experience of the subject matter, in exactly the same way that reading the menu in a restaurant is no substitute for actually tasting the food

Are you sure you didn't mixed up "psychiatrist" & "psychologist" ?

im talking about psychiatry - ie being a 'mind-doctor'. Although what i am saying could equally well apply to psychology