Herbal XTC and an attention deficit disorder.

[mysticwarrior]

Hmmm, a view hours ago, i took some Herbal XTC, a good friend of mine had bought this yesterday and gave one to me. Well i am sceptic about smartdrugs, because it are just vitamins and some herbs. The effects are just started a half hour ago and as i expected, it isn't the same as some good MDMA. But still, the effects are not bad. To be honest, i like them.

Sadly enough, i don't know the name of this product. So i don't know exactly what's in the pill i took. I researched a little on internet and found out, that the most of these pills are just filled with vitamins and light hallucigenic herbs. But i never expected that the effects of some vitamins and herbs could be so strong.

Another thing, which i find interesting is that i now can concentrate on one thing! I have an attention deficit disorder, which makes a mass of my thinking process. I can't direct my thoughts because of that, which sometimes making me crazy. I know there is an ADD therapie, which is based on food, which is called Biofeedback therapy.

The last period I've read and done some research about vitamins and the effects they can have on the brain, and i am starting to get convinced, that a lack of vitamins can play a major role in some mental/psychic diseases.

So now, i am planning to take to take vitamins all the important vitamins on a daily basis for a while, to see if works and if it keeps working. Especially because, i can feel the effects working directly because the pill i took. And maybe i will get some more information on biofeedback. I never have eated healthy enough, so i have a lack to a lot of vitamins. I always, thought that this wasn't the case, but now i clearly feel they are MORE important then i ever thought.

If someone has some good advice, how to balance my vitamins. I would love to hear it. I am vegan, so i have to avoid products with animal shit in it, but if someone has vegatable solution, please tell me! I am wanting to live healthier then i am doing right know.

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

The most important supplement for you to take is DHA-EPA omega acids, you can find them as golden algae extract on the net, they are an oil.

Next minerals, eat full (with bran and able to germinate) grains morning and before bed. Let them soak in water at least 12 hours prior to that, choose grains which are already soft even if dried. Mix with dried fruit, fresh nuts and honey

The pill you took probably contains a stimulant, it creates attention based on reward (dopamine) but not focus or true transe (melatonin-DMT chains)

I wouldn't be surprised it contains even synthetic BZP or the like, many companies sell "herbal" pills here that are just synthetics with some herbs, and other don't even say they add the BZP to it... it's very lame.

 

[Arcticpheonix]

Sounds like Ritalin that won't kill you. If you could figure out (maybe ask your mate) what it was exactly that you took, I'd suggest trying to include some of those vitamins in your diet. While it won't have the same effect as the pills, it may still help with the ADD.

I had (and arguably still have) ADHD, and I can honestly say I feel the frustration you have with being unable to hold a single thought in your head. As for the research you've done on vitamins and mental disorders, would you mind PMing me a few links? Anything regarding depression, anxiety or bi-polar disorder would be especially helpful.

Good luck with your self-treatment, I'm sure it will be more effective than anything the doctors would give/have given you.

 

[mysticwarrior]

So i am sober again, yesterday evening my friend came again while I was still high from the first pill. I asked him if he knew what was in these pills, be he also didn't know. But he bought it in a smartshop in my town, so i think this week i will ask it over there.

Yesterday, not long after the posted this topic, i got more euphoric. It was still not the same as MDMA, the only thing that was different, was that my thoughts where very clear, i could communicate properly and having some great euphoric feelings. My friend had still some of these pills left and he gave me another one, while the effects of the first pill was fading away. This made me even more euphoric. And it was an interesting experience. But this cannot be effects of only vitamins, maybe they helped a little bit, but again i cannot believe it where only the vitamins that made me such euphoric. The second pill caused a really high blood pressure. My hart was hitting against the walls.... And i also could not sleep, like i normally can, and i can't say i did like that.

So i did a search for BZP on wiki, and to be honest, i now believe there was BZP in these pills. This is a piece of info from wiki.

Benzylpiperazine (with trade names such as "A2", "Bear", "Benny", "Frenzy" and "Nemesis",[1] commonly referred to as BZP) is a recreational drug with euphoric, stimulant properties. Its dopamine and serotonin agonist mechanism of action is believed to be similar to MDMA and the effects produced by BZP are comparable to those produced by amphetamine. Adverse effects have been reported following its use including acute psychosis, renal toxicity, and seizures. It does not appear to be very addictive and no deaths have been reported following a sole ingestion of BZP, although there have been at least two deaths from the combination of BZP and MDMA. Its sale is banned in a few countries, including the United States, Australia, New Zealand and in parts of Europe.[2] However, its legal status is currently less restrictive in some other countries such as Ireland and Canada, although investigations and regulations are pending under European Union laws.

It can explain a little about, why i got more focus. It seems that it also works like amphetamine and i heard from a lot people, that real amphetamine works just like ritalin. I don't gonna try that

I still gonna try to take vitamins on a daily basis, because from what i've read, it's pretty important for the brains to function properly.

Oh and thanx Ahuaeynjxs for the suggestion of BZP! Ohw and Arcticpheonix, pm me your email adres, maybe we can talk on messenger. It's interesting to know other psychonauts with AD(H)D

 

[GOD]

If a person has medical problems he should not be abusing drugs / self medicateing .

 

[Crimzen]

ADD isnt something that should stop you from taking drugs, in fact amphetamines are in the medication they give you to help you concentrate
other than that other drugs dont affect you any differently
i know this because i know TONS of people with ADD and ADHD that take all kinds of drugs, the effects are as they should be

 

[Lion]

ADD isnt something that should stop you from taking drugs, in fact amphetamines are in the medication they give you to help you concentrate
other than that other drugs dont affect you any differently
i know this because i know TONS of people with ADD and ADHD that take all kinds of drugs, the effects are as they should be

second that

 

[mysticwarrior]

If a person has medical problems he should not be abusing drugs / self medicateing .

Oke, i have ADD, but i don't believe this is an problem with psychedelics for me. I also don't believe it is real disorder. I am a self counscious person, who knows what he is doing. I am not planning to cure my ADD with some self medication. I will try to get more vitamins from now on, and just want to live healthier. Though, i would like to have less problems in our society because of my ADD, but i don't see how medication can be a solution. I tried a view times some Ritalin, it was quiet for a moment in my head, but this effects don't stay long and you need to take a lot of those pills on one day. Also another problem with ritalin, is that it has many side effects which i don't like.

Oke, sometimes i wish that there was a cure for it. Because ADD can be a problem in a society where we live nowadays, especially in holland because it has a lot bureaucratic bullshit. But on the other hand, i love the possibility to hyperfocus. ADD makes me a person, with unique way of thinking. The only things i really dislike from ADD is the fact, that i always have a lack of energy and that i sometimes can't direct my thoughts good enough in important situations. But these are the only problems which i really dislike.

ADD isnt something that should stop you from taking drugs, in fact amphetamines are in the medication they give you to help you concentrate

Well of course it doesn't have to stop someone, but someone with ADD have to be more cautious and self counscious then healty people, because a lot people with ADD are very impulsive and can get easily addicted to drugs.

Ritalin does not really help you to concentrate better, but it helps your to direct your thoughts in a more efficient way. Someone with AD(H)D cannot direct there thought process, which is a the big issue for people with AD(H)D and the reason why they run against a lot of problems. This is typically something that a lot of people do not really understand about AD(H)D. I think you have to have AD(H)D yourself to understand this part

other than that other drugs dont affect you any differently
i know this because i know TONS of people with ADD and ADHD that take all kinds of drugs, the effects are as they should be

I am not sure about this, i always have the idea that drugs and especially psychedelics acted differently on me. You know, if you take shrooms or acid your thoughts can race trough your mind. But this is something, where i live with for 24 hours a day. So if i ingest some psychedelics like shrooms or acid, my thoughts get even a bigger boost. Dopamine and serotonin are one of the best known receptors which get influenced by ingesting drugs. But someone with a mental disorder or ADD, have in fact problems with these receptors. So i guess that if someone with these problems is using MDMA for example, it could be possible that the effects are a slightly different. Especially with amphetamines, but i believe this can also be the case with other drugs.

 

[Meduzz]

I just don't consider ADD or ADHD as a medical problem. It's a structural problem in society. A person with AD(H)D isn't sick or unhealthy, he/she just deviates too much from the standards posed by the educational system and likes.

 

[Lion]

a friend of mine got "cured" by mozart therapy.
maybe if you really think it's a big problem to you, you can search some more info about this?

 

[Arcticpheonix]

I just don't consider ADD or ADHD as a medical problem. It's a structural problem in society. A person with AD(H)D isn't sick or unhealthy, he/she just deviates too much from the standards posed by the educational system and likes.

While I do agree to some extent, I DO believe it's a medical problem. It's not just that the person (or child, in the case of the school system) deviates from the social norm. While it is true that the drive for "treatment" is based on common social values, the disease is not. As someone who has ADHD, it's not that I don't concentrate, or sit still enough, it's that I can't. I'm not saying that it's impossible to teach yourself to manage it, it is however very difficult.

AD(H)D is not a choice, if it were, most if not all of us would choose to be rid of it, or at least to tone it down. It really is annoying, as mystic said, to not be able to focus. It's very hard to watch a movie, for example, when you keep thinking about a hundred other things.

(Please don't take this post as being an angry one, it's not meant that way in the least. I, like everyone else, am simply stating an opinion. )

 

[mysticwarrior]

I just don't consider ADD or ADHD as a medical problem. It's a structural problem in society. A person with AD(H)D isn't sick or unhealthy, he/she just deviates too much from the standards posed by the educational system and likes.

Like Arcticpheonix, i also agree to with that to some extent, mainly because i also believe it's a structural problem in society.

But since the society expect you to be healthy, they ask people to behave like everyone else does, and then this becomes a problem for a lot of people who are diagnosed with AD(H)D. The minds of these people, just work differently. I do believe that 80% of the people who are diagnosed with AD(H)D are mostly using there right part of the brain in a much more efficient way, while at the same time the main stream people are using the left part of the brain more efficiently. I have talked with lots of people who had AD(H)D and i can tell you, these are all sensitive creative and nice people. And all these people have exactly the right ingredients, to notice they are using the right brain the most of the time. I also talked with some people who had other personal disorders, like borderline and bipolar disorders. But also these people seem to use manly the right part of the brain.

I can't finish school or what so ever, but yet i can learn everything i choose to learn. I have this possibility to hyperfocus on something that fascinates me. And this makes it also possible for mbut the society won't give me a chance to get a real job, just because i could not follow there prescriptions. Yeah, i need to have more time to learn something, but finally i can learn anything i want to. But i have to do this on my own unique way, and i can't follow the prescriptions as they want me to do. These are typical AD(H)D problems, that does happen, just because their brains act differently. This also makes people with AD(H)D more vulnerable for other psychic disorders, like boderline and bipolar or anxiety disorders. I have observed this for a long time now, and fought many battles with myself because my brain acted differently.

This is again typically an AD(H)D problem which i desribed above :

While I do agree to some extent, I DO believe it's a medical problem. It's not just that the person (or child, in the case of the school system) deviates from the social norm. While it is true that the drive for "treatment" is based on common social values, the disease is not. As someone who has ADHD, it's not that I don't concentrate, or sit still enough, it's that I can't. I'm not saying that it's impossible to teach yourself to manage it, it is however very difficult.

Indeed, that the problem. It's fucking difficult to manage and learn things that are based for the most part on left brain thinking. I can't get things done that are good enough for this society. So i understand what your saying right here.

It really is annoying, as mystic said, to not be able to focus. It's very hard to watch a movie, for example, when you keep thinking about a hundred other things.

Exactly, ii can make you mad somtimes

(Please don't take this post as being an angry one, it's not meant that way in the least. I, like everyone else, am simply stating an opinion. Wink )

Empathy, think about this! You try to think to much what others would think about the post you wrote

I have to say, it was an interesting post and i did not had the feeling that you wrote angry words Welcome anyway

 

[Arcticpheonix]

I have talked with lots of people who had AD(H)D and i can tell you, these are all sensitive creative and nice people.

That's how people always describe me, to the letter.

I can't finish school or what so ever, but yet i can learn everything i choose to learn. I have this possibility to hyperfocus on something that fascinates me.

It was VERY difficult for me to get through highschool. I was so bored in many of my classes, that I just couldn't focus. That said, when I took journalism (my hopeful career path) I aced it. I threw myself into it and just couldn't get enough.

As for making a person more susceptible to other personality disorders, I completely agree. I myself have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

You try to think to much what others would think about the post you wrote

I always worry too much about what other people will think/feel. It's a very big part of my personality.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

May I insist that I'm saying stimulants create a fake attention, it's based on reward, it is NOTHING like focus.

90% of the population lives with fake focus, and are effectively being hypnosed out of their wits...

This is the biggest scandal the medical authorities have ever faced, when it will come to be understood in endocrynology (it is already proven but the researches have not been linked yet, on purpose?) there will be lots of people in need of DEEP healing.

I know ways, you can message me, every individual needs unique non-conditional governance.

 

[Dervish]

My son has ADD. He has been using Concerta for 4 years. From time to time I tried some herbal remedies. Best working one is fructus agni casti. It has some dopamin agonist activity and many more. It really helps concentration and irritability, without any effect on hyperactivity. I noticed no side effects, but some tolerance seemed to be developing after several months.

 

[mysticwarrior]

90% of the population lives with fake focus, and are effectively being hypnosed out of their wits...

I think i'll understand what are trying to say here, but what do you mean exactly with this? I would love to here, what you have to say

 

[mysticwarrior]

]Best working one is fructus agni casti.

Interesting, tommorow i will read some about it

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

It is very simple, to have true transe focus your heart needs to beat each .8 1 second, to allow the "resting potential to unfold like the lotus" or "song of the heart" and this is simply imposible for a stressed person or one on stimulants.

Attention is according to the classical definition :

It is the taking possession by the mind, in clear and vivid form, of one out of what seem several simultaneously possible objects or trains of thought. Focalization, concentration, of consciousness are of its essence. It implies withdrawal from some things in order to deal effectively with others, and is a condition which has a real opposite in the confused, dazed, scatterbrained state which in French is called distraction, and Zerstreutheit in German.

So we can see how attention is not Focalization, concentration and consciousness, even if a little bit of each is essential to attention.

We know dopamine creates attention ; but it also creates a pleasurable feeling like we get after accomplishing an arduous task. Instead of people fixing the root problem (nutrition and parental guidance) they give the children drugs to stimulate their dopamine centers, effectively conditioning them on more levels than they can imagine.

We now know by the study of endocrynology that substances we ingest modify our genes, not our genes exactly but their enzymatic expression which in turn leads to a transformation of the physical appearance.

You can see how deep the repercussions of such drugging of the youth merely by studying the biology, and as those kids become sexual an enormous schism in society has appeared, we only see the tip of the iceberg on those matters.

 

[mysticwarrior]

It is very simple, to have true transe focus your heart needs to beat each .8 1 second, to allow the "resting potential to unfold like the lotus" or "song of the heart" and this is simply imposible for a stressed person or one on stimulants.

How do you let your hart beat each .8 1second? And what would be your advice to get rid of the stress?

Instead of people fixing the root problem (nutrition and parental guidance) they give the children drugs to stimulate their dopamine centers, effectively conditioning them on more levels than they can imagine.

Are you saying here, that vitamins and some fatty acids are one of the important parts to handle ADD/ADHD?

You can see how deep the repercussions of such drugging of the youth merely by studying the biology, and as those kids become sexual an enormous schism in society has appeared, we only see the tip of the iceberg on those matters.

Scary

I am aware of the fact, that AD(H)D is not a real disorder, and i am planning to do something with this in the form of a great website and some lobbying. But first is need to find a good ways to handle/cure AD(H)D, so if you know more about AD(H)D i would love to hear more

 

[mysticwarrior]

We know dopamine creates attention ; but it also creates a pleasurable feeling like we get after accomplishing an arduous task. Instead of people fixing the root problem (nutrition and parental guidance) they give the children drugs to stimulate their dopamine centers, effectively conditioning them on more levels than they can imagine.

Right now i am fully convinced about that. My dad uses ritalin, he takes 3 times a day 10mg. I did try it a couple of times, but 10mg wasn't enough for me. It was just a little more rest inside my head, but it didn't change anything for me at all. So yesterday i talked with my dad about what would happen if you do upper the dose. I read somewhere on the internet, that 40mg or 60mg was a dosage for adults. So my father give me 60mg of his ritalin, which i just took after i typed the post above.

But fuck, ritalin isn't just a medicine it's a real drug. I never done speed before and i will never gonna do that, but i read on a lot of places on the internet that it almost has the some effects as speed does have. So i took 60mg, i can't say that i can concentrate any better. I also can't direct my thoughts any better, or what so ever. To be honest, the effects are comparable to the herbal xtc pill i took a view days ago, but then less euforic. The fun part is, that i really had the feeling with these herbal pills that i could focus much better then with ritalin On these moment, my theeth's are just like with MDMA glued to getter. Maybe the dose is a little bit to high Another thing which i don't like, is that my emotion are not as strong as they normally would be. I am a really high sensitive person, but ritalin does kill it.

My conclusion, it's really sick that they let little children ingest this drug! Something must be done about this, i don't believe psychiatrist are really knowing about what they are doing. I can already imagine, that lots of teenagers, will abuse the ritalin in a really dangerous way.

I will try it once again, but then with 30mg. If i can't concentrate or direct my thought with these dose, then ritalin is clearly useless. Alright, maybe it helps AD(H)D people to calm down, but still i can't imagine that it is healthy or useful in anyway.

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.