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you should come down here so we can have a party, I know some representatives from the martian parthenon and they throw the best orgies. I mean, tentacles and shit. :wink:
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Well the matrix is part of our mind, as Idea; but taking that to perdition so is everything else. Matrix is the articulated, or not, group of ideas we use to try to understand and/or process what's beyond your skin. Yes, the matrix does contain nature, you're right magickmumu, I forgot...
Now, in so far as every distinction -on any level- is merely formal (we are all just part of a big indeterminate incommensurable primordial ooze) and working with simultaneity, we can assert mind-matrix is a resonant structure. So, mind is a reflection of matrix and vice versa but, the resonant structure is not necessarily symmetric i.e. the information ligands may contain volumetric and hence formal distinctions. The ability of making you ideas fit with matrix domains is what I call science.
We, as everything else exist with our surroundings. Water molecules for example have not only the properties you may assert from analysis on the water molecule -that would be very incomplete. Rather, analysis on the social complexity of populations of water molecules is what gives rise to many of its core properties. For example, specific heat.
Thanks for the links CM. I checking them right now.
I'm still keen to the platonic solids. Have you read Plato's original work on them, The Timaeus?
Hey! you're telling me the astrological turns the causal scape upside down and at the same time not to dwell too much on causal relationships! I do agree that contemporaneity does not imply causality...In the end, I believe the developmental matrix of "those ones" is what ultimately determines them and that matrix is history specific and hence malleable.
I think we can't change, at least not so easily or rapidly, the hardware. The software running on it is much more malleable and subsceptible. And again, to what degree can we identify enlightenment with saying a part of us can change? ...A liberated one is still a human being.
What I'm saying ultimately, is that cultural infection doesn't have to slow us down. It can propel us into hyperspace. The fight must be met though.
How do you know that?
I'm sorry for arguing so extensively. I'm allergic to determinisms and their empires :lol:
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Well the matrix is part of our mind, as Idea; but taking that to perdition so is everything else. Matrix is the articulated, or not, group of ideas we use to try to understand and/or process what's beyond your skin. Yes, the matrix does contain nature, you're right magickmumu, I forgot...
Now, in so far as every distinction -on any level- is merely formal (we are all just part of a big indeterminate incommensurable primordial ooze) and working with simultaneity, we can assert mind-matrix is a resonant structure. So, mind is a reflection of matrix and vice versa but, the resonant structure is not necessarily symmetric i.e. the information ligands may contain volumetric and hence formal distinctions. The ability of making you ideas fit with matrix domains is what I call science.
We, as everything else exist with our surroundings. Water molecules for example have not only the properties you may assert from analysis on the water molecule -that would be very incomplete. Rather, analysis on the social complexity of populations of water molecules is what gives rise to many of its core properties. For example, specific heat.
Thanks for the links CM. I checking them right now.
I'm still keen to the platonic solids. Have you read Plato's original work on them, The Timaeus?
CaduceusMercurius a dit:
Hey! you're telling me the astrological turns the causal scape upside down and at the same time not to dwell too much on causal relationships! I do agree that contemporaneity does not imply causality...In the end, I believe the developmental matrix of "those ones" is what ultimately determines them and that matrix is history specific and hence malleable.
I think we can't change, at least not so easily or rapidly, the hardware. The software running on it is much more malleable and subsceptible. And again, to what degree can we identify enlightenment with saying a part of us can change? ...A liberated one is still a human being.
What I'm saying ultimately, is that cultural infection doesn't have to slow us down. It can propel us into hyperspace. The fight must be met though.
How do you know that?
I'm sorry for arguing so extensively. I'm allergic to determinisms and their empires :lol:
I'll maybe travel to south America next year, would be nice :wink: I'd like to meet your real friends....
Matrix is not the truth and truth is not the matrix.
I disagree that Nature includes the Matrix, except if you define the matrix as I do. Nature is not a system.
It is funny, determinism.
For example, we say that insulin regulates blood sugar.
That's also determinism, a definition. This is the matrix
What is funny, I remember my biology teacher showing a diagram of everything that is known (!) to be effected by insulin.
The list was HUGE.
And if you go even further, above every list, then you get the truth, Nature, God.
Funny.
Therefore, the mind creates the matrix (and the matrix influences the mind).
The funny thing is, that every attempt to create the ultimate matrix has failed.
Be it language, be it science, religion -
they have all failed. Miserably. They all have exceptions, errors, that are tried to be corrected but -
they end in an endlessly complicated theory, which also has errors.
I say, that this sentence is not true. :wink:
Didn't we have this talk for so many times? I even think that every discussion we have is about matrix and the truth...
Matrix is not the truth and truth is not the matrix.
I disagree that Nature includes the Matrix, except if you define the matrix as I do. Nature is not a system.
It is funny, determinism.
For example, we say that insulin regulates blood sugar.
That's also determinism, a definition. This is the matrix
What is funny, I remember my biology teacher showing a diagram of everything that is known (!) to be effected by insulin.
The list was HUGE.
And if you go even further, above every list, then you get the truth, Nature, God.
Funny.
Therefore, the mind creates the matrix (and the matrix influences the mind).
The funny thing is, that every attempt to create the ultimate matrix has failed.
Be it language, be it science, religion -
they have all failed. Miserably. They all have exceptions, errors, that are tried to be corrected but -
they end in an endlessly complicated theory, which also has errors.
How can you predict something that doesn't exist? The future does not exist, it is a creation of the matrix. But this is another topic.
I say, that this sentence is not true. :wink:
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You are one in this world. A one created out of innummerable fractals, produced out of fate by random bindings of these fractals. These fractals are binded through energy, making you as one. Awareness is set in from here.
The one experiences himself as an individual presence with seperated boundries through awareness. Awareness processes and stores time and space, the space and time are the memory for as long as one is binded.
All individual creations had undergo the same cut off from this energy prior to the new coming individual creations. The new coming creations recognise the creations that were already here, and take notes of them in order to go through the time. They copy their way of navigation by blindly accepting an application from earlier arrived creations that a new coming one witnesses.
At some point, after one navigated through time and space, one develops a certain grade of believe. Being in able to check his awareness and memory, wondering or his true self programmed his navigation, or not.
If the one decides that what he is, is what he choosed. Then there is no matrix.
If the one feels that something's wrong, he's going to look and determine further about what's wrong. It is a trail of remained energy that calls.
Either the one is confused and ignores it, or the one decides to do everything again. But now unplugged from earlier arrived creations from who the one accepted an application rather than writing one purely on it's own.
One never got any other choice than accepting it, the one notices. The one realises that an application which truly fits his own unique creation, can only be obtained if done by purely his self.
The birth of the one, is when the one has defractalised himself to the point from where an application becomes a need for navigation in the object orientated world.
When ego death occurs, it's a moment in where one has temporarly no construct to navigate. The one gets a possibility to overwrite the application which was accepted through the force of other creations who arrived earlier and who had theirs already. The one can truly write and configure his application through true will and choice.
Everyone who had become his true self, through re-programming from the very first beginning with choice rather than acceptance, will become a morpheus. Offering other creations who seem susceptible for it, the believe in the possibility of true freedom.
They still have to do it themselve, but the believe is essential in achieving the true self.
Life construct is still as normal as before, but the one now goes through it with his running application written by choice. Resulting in the navigation to go through witnessed time and space as the pure self. From here on, one needs to gain confidence, and then knows his true path in life with no doubts.
The one experiences himself as an individual presence with seperated boundries through awareness. Awareness processes and stores time and space, the space and time are the memory for as long as one is binded.
All individual creations had undergo the same cut off from this energy prior to the new coming individual creations. The new coming creations recognise the creations that were already here, and take notes of them in order to go through the time. They copy their way of navigation by blindly accepting an application from earlier arrived creations that a new coming one witnesses.
At some point, after one navigated through time and space, one develops a certain grade of believe. Being in able to check his awareness and memory, wondering or his true self programmed his navigation, or not.
If the one decides that what he is, is what he choosed. Then there is no matrix.
If the one feels that something's wrong, he's going to look and determine further about what's wrong. It is a trail of remained energy that calls.
Either the one is confused and ignores it, or the one decides to do everything again. But now unplugged from earlier arrived creations from who the one accepted an application rather than writing one purely on it's own.
One never got any other choice than accepting it, the one notices. The one realises that an application which truly fits his own unique creation, can only be obtained if done by purely his self.
The birth of the one, is when the one has defractalised himself to the point from where an application becomes a need for navigation in the object orientated world.
When ego death occurs, it's a moment in where one has temporarly no construct to navigate. The one gets a possibility to overwrite the application which was accepted through the force of other creations who arrived earlier and who had theirs already. The one can truly write and configure his application through true will and choice.
Everyone who had become his true self, through re-programming from the very first beginning with choice rather than acceptance, will become a morpheus. Offering other creations who seem susceptible for it, the believe in the possibility of true freedom.
They still have to do it themselve, but the believe is essential in achieving the true self.
Life construct is still as normal as before, but the one now goes through it with his running application written by choice. Resulting in the navigation to go through witnessed time and space as the pure self. From here on, one needs to gain confidence, and then knows his true path in life with no doubts.
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The astrological point of view turns things upside down because it shows the individual starts life with a certain personality (the operating system) and a certain future ahead of him. That personality and future influences upon it are not caused by the astrology itself, not caused by planets or anything, but indicated.Nomada a dit:
Exactly.
You first make a map of the entire universe as seen from the exact location and time of an individual's birth. You then progress this map into the future by using certain mathematical formulas. Even the symbolism used to interpret these maps obey certain mathematical formulas, for example the sign Aquarius is 180 degrees opposite of Leo, and the interpretations of these constellations are basically opposite. The same applies to the astrological houses (1st house is the self, 7th house is the other). In the end there's nothing mystical about astrology. It's just that life itself is so mysterious.
A system is a set that is defined by rules. Basketball is a system. Society is based on systems. I didn't say (resp. want to say) that the matrix is not a system, the matrix is indeed a system.
The biologist will say that nature is based on a system therefore is a matrix. I say that this is wrong...
So as not to confuse, when I say 'matrix' I mean this:
the facade/illusion/mindcontrol that is created by the Illuminati, and their shrinks, psychologists, politicians, media...all the way down to peers and family.
So it feels like an all-pervasive matrix, because for many people, children, there is no where they can usually feel liberation from it. Because even alone one is inculcated to feel odd, restless, uneasy, at a loss, alienated, 'mentally ill'-------In other words the very matrix creates it so you panic and reach out for it, when alone, which then continues to instill the very delusion you seek to escape from. And not to even KNOW this are the roots of many emotional crises.
In other words, especially senstive people, children, feel something is very wrong, but cannot articulate what it is because it is everywhere, in every face. So many will often seek escape in various forms like drug abuse, self harm, obsessive activity so as to focus away from such an insidious cage. A cage that is not only without, but seemingly withing. This matrix has been designed by the manipulators to be within and without.
So to understand all this you got to understand it.
the facade/illusion/mindcontrol that is created by the Illuminati, and their shrinks, psychologists, politicians, media...all the way down to peers and family.
So it feels like an all-pervasive matrix, because for many people, children, there is no where they can usually feel liberation from it. Because even alone one is inculcated to feel odd, restless, uneasy, at a loss, alienated, 'mentally ill'-------In other words the very matrix creates it so you panic and reach out for it, when alone, which then continues to instill the very delusion you seek to escape from. And not to even KNOW this are the roots of many emotional crises.
In other words, especially senstive people, children, feel something is very wrong, but cannot articulate what it is because it is everywhere, in every face. So many will often seek escape in various forms like drug abuse, self harm, obsessive activity so as to focus away from such an insidious cage. A cage that is not only without, but seemingly withing. This matrix has been designed by the manipulators to be within and without.
So to understand all this you got to understand it.
If a matrix is a bad thing what's the alternative?
Absolute freedom from systems? freedom from all human systems would be chaos, and gaining freedom from natural systems (is that even possible?) you wouldn't even exist!
The better systems give us reference, I would still say that freedom (if there is such a thing) needs to be in a balance with systems...
Or to put it another way (human systems at least) should be fexible - to recreate themselves when errors are detected, or allow some level of individual interpretation.
You also have to use matrices to realise your in a matrix: can you really claim that systems are inherently bad or an illusion from that?....
Absolute freedom from systems? freedom from all human systems would be chaos, and gaining freedom from natural systems (is that even possible?) you wouldn't even exist!
The better systems give us reference, I would still say that freedom (if there is such a thing) needs to be in a balance with systems...
Or to put it another way (human systems at least) should be fexible - to recreate themselves when errors are detected, or allow some level of individual interpretation.
You also have to use matrices to realise your in a matrix: can you really claim that systems are inherently bad or an illusion from that?....
Pariah a dit:
With out systems for people to adhere to, we would need decent people, People that could abstain from impure thoughts and people that can be trusted by themselves with out a self orientated goal for greedy gain. An elimination of fear and a sense of well being for everything would also help.
What happend to morals and decency?
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Our Ivar is characterized as energetic and inspiring. Curiousity about what he ecounters is easily aroused. Everything that's new to Ivar and what has caught his interest, is where he goes after with battle and courage if required.
He tends to begin with his deed readily after thinking it through in relatively a short time. Childish trails are seen at the upper surface at some point throughout his life, usually when he falls off the stairway after trying to clim with battle and guts. Choosen paths are sometimes marked as irresponsible by others. But his willingness to start and try as a pioneer is widely appreciated and adored by others.
His striving for adventures is usually the start for an intense start with passion, but later on, letting it go with no fiery feelings left might occur by some of his taken actions. But if succeeding in his plan, the results are known to be a high quality caliber. When Ivar becomes angry, it's short lasting but very intense, often willing to forgive and acquire peace after the angryness has vanished.
A strong urge to battle and getting his justice by putting his opponents in their chair, often willing to debate severe by measuring strength. He is willing to accept conflicts in order to prevent dissapointments and to win the trophy within competition. He bears with inevitable dissapointments, but moves on quickly after. His positive energy remains unaffected. A remarkable strong feature.
He has difficulty in accepting a chain around his neck that holds too much of others their identity. His wide variation in knowledge and passion makes it difficult to commit closely to a steady identity of others in the long-term, Ivar needs constant change and activity in order to feel alive.
He's passionated, temperamentful and posseses a heart of burning fire. Almost like a storm. It's creativity and extravertness will prevent boredom. He's aware of his impatience but realises being that the first one when it comes to the act itself, may lead to the best results. He has a great potential for obtaining treasures merely with his own hands.
Ivar's freedom and awareness of his own identity, which needs his space and freedom, may cause difficulty in obtaining another important dream, fiery love lasting forever. Ivar's ultimate dream are eternal flames burning the world red. Finding his significant other, and remaining with sufficient space to be his own self and perform his challenges with what he is.
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Wow Brugmansia, that's Ivar alright.
Pariah a dit:
the 'matrix' is a metaphor. To describe all kinds of interweaving things going on. It is made so we do not see the interconnections. Ie., they make it--in their 'education' which is designed BY the matrix-makers--so that we compart~mental~ize and lose integrative vision
So I recommend we water integral vision, nurture it, feed it, love it. Be courageous and triust integral vision, which includes emotions, feelings.
Without a system you would need to assume that human nature is purely benevolent for there to be a chance of "good" to come out on top... which is quite a rare thing to come across (and how would you judge whether good was on top or not?).
Trying to work out what's meant by "good" is another tricky thing to do without a system - without a definition the word "good" becomes purely emotive (the equivelent of going "Yay!!"), with no solid foundation to what we understand it to be.
A system doesn't have to be dictatorial: If you learn about the possible systems, and agree that one is the best available to bring about "good", and you decide to act in that way, that is the first step to *becoming* a benevolent person.
Although not explained in much detail, here's a moral system:
http://philosophy.lander.edu/ethics/kant.html
Why not become a matrix creator for instance - its much more constructive than burying your head in the sand entirely, in that way your contributing constructively to the *collective* vision of what is "good."
Taking a purely subjective aproach to ethics leads to a lot of problems: an extreme example - If my "integral vision" told me eating babies was "good" and someone else felt otherwise, they would have no right to disagree - they would just have to live with it (unless their own integral vision said it was alright to kill baby eaters)... I don't particularly want to live in that kind of world.
Trying to work out what's meant by "good" is another tricky thing to do without a system - without a definition the word "good" becomes purely emotive (the equivelent of going "Yay!!"), with no solid foundation to what we understand it to be.
A system doesn't have to be dictatorial: If you learn about the possible systems, and agree that one is the best available to bring about "good", and you decide to act in that way, that is the first step to *becoming* a benevolent person.
Although not explained in much detail, here's a moral system:
http://philosophy.lander.edu/ethics/kant.html
Why not become a matrix creator for instance - its much more constructive than burying your head in the sand entirely, in that way your contributing constructively to the *collective* vision of what is "good."
Taking a purely subjective aproach to ethics leads to a lot of problems: an extreme example - If my "integral vision" told me eating babies was "good" and someone else felt otherwise, they would have no right to disagree - they would just have to live with it (unless their own integral vision said it was alright to kill baby eaters)... I don't particularly want to live in that kind of world.
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:lol:
I'm reading, seeing how the matrix is discussed like I never mentioned it in the sun thread made me laugh. I told you all the Matrix is silica to DNA, it's a physic phenomenon caused by 90% earth's silica being on the surface of the earth.
Ivar seems to be the only one that actually has a clue, and Pariah is right about his observations.
Brumangsia thinking he can judge others spirit also bought a smile to my face.
It's like you all are in such a hurry to determine what is true that you forget the essence of the experience, have you even watched the purpose of DNA videos ?
One step at a time... :lol:
I'm reading, seeing how the matrix is discussed like I never mentioned it in the sun thread made me laugh. I told you all the Matrix is silica to DNA, it's a physic phenomenon caused by 90% earth's silica being on the surface of the earth.
Ivar seems to be the only one that actually has a clue, and Pariah is right about his observations.
Brumangsia thinking he can judge others spirit also bought a smile to my face.
It's like you all are in such a hurry to determine what is true that you forget the essence of the experience, have you even watched the purpose of DNA videos ?
One step at a time... :lol:
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