WHY you should not buy meat

[Forkbender]

Bacon isn't tasty, it is the salt (and sometimes spices) they put into it. You can make something taste like bacon even if there's no meat in it. (Ever ate bacon-chips? I rest my case.)

 

[Dantediv86]

oooohohohoh baaaacon chips.....
yummy

 

[spice]

It is true what forkbender says.

Any competent biologist will tell you that eating meat is a LEARNED BEHAIVOUR, NOT a genetically hardwired predisposition.

As I have said in many different contexts, it is a 'hand-me-down attitude', an idea passed, as traditions are, both verbally and non-verbally down the generational line, and again like traditions, never objectively examined.

It is hard to let go of ideas we have held as self-evident truths since early childhood, but in order to get more in tune with the planet, you
proud carnivores are going to have to do just that.

I make a distinction here between people who do it and are thinking about all the ramifications, and those of you who do it and thumb your noses at everyone else. As versus deus said, it IS murder, after all.

Quit lumping humanity in with wild, carnivorous animals as comparison examples, too......if those examples are valid, then I suppose you can just take any woman and kill her kids after you fuck her too, just like lions and tigers?

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.

In case anyone missed the point, we're MORE THAN wild animals.

How much more is what this is all about.

 

[HeartCore]

Brugmansia, our intestines are not really perfect for consuming meat. Compared to a tiger, we process meat amazingly inefficient which brings certain problems with toxins building up in the body. So the tiger/zebra comparison is not really valid in my opinion.

 

[zarlack_galactic_explorer]

duudes!! im giving up meat now man this talk has really opened my eyes and kind of made me sick to put my thumbs up to these animal killers every time i eat some meat>>>!!!!

damn conformist society!

 

[spice]

The reason we process it so inefficiently is that our bodies EVOLVED
into what they are by digesting fruits, nuts, and vegetables. Our bodies DON'T KNOW HOW to efficiently process meat because thje earth didn't teach it to.

Eating meat is a convenience, not a necessity, The meat lobby and industry have done a masterful propaganda snow job on millions of people who believed their claims, who actually trusted these white devils to give a shit. Does this sound familiar? Big oil, tobacco, pharmaceutical, meat....the names change, but the song remains the same. Exploit, use, abuse, exploit some more, then get offended when someone calls you out on it. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

Do you carnies know what 'saturated fat' is?

It is basically fat from animal origin, which is the main culprit in arterial and cardiovascular disease. Our bodies have a hard time recognizing it as foriegn, hence the bodies inability to scavenge the fats from the body, much like meat in the intestine, it stays, and causes problems because it is ALIEN to our bodies, and our dna.

Plants don't make saturated fat. The fats in plants tend to have protective effects, and are usually existing side-by-side with numerous nutrients, proteins, and carbs......generally complex carbs, too, at that.

Meat = Death.

 

[Klaatu]

It is true what forkbender says.

Any competent biologist will tell you that eating meat is a LEARNED BEHAIVOUR, NOT a genetically hardwired predisposition.

Interesting, source? I've been living under the impression that humans are omnivorous.

I can see why you think it's stupid to compare humans and other animals, but drawing the line isn't any easier here than it is anywhere else. Animals kill other animals in order to eat them, yep. Monkeys might be violent, yep. Some monkeys might act violently towards eachother. Male dolphins can be very aggressive towards female and other male dolphins, they might even rape other dolphins. Then again, many animals are homosexual. Should we get rid of homosexuality? How should we procreate? Clearly a system of sperm banks would be more civilized than sexual intercourse.

Yeah, murder. Killing intentionally. I'm not a "wild animal", I'm a civilized animal. If I still ate meat, I would certainly enjoy hunting. Moose tastes great, and they tend to live a pretty free life. It doesn't matter wether they are killed by wolves or bullets. And yes, I don't necessarily need meat to live, but neither do I necessarily need psychedelics, caffeine, this computer, my very comfy armchair or, for Zarquon's sake, my synthesizers or psychedelic music. Seriously,you can clap some rhythms and whistle if you need music that badly.

I do think that people eat too much meat and that we rely too much on cows. They produce enormous amounts of methane. I think having less cows would be good, but of course this would be too much of a loss for some people, so they are instead trying to make them fart less methane.. Then again, "having less cows" is probably not that easy. Things tend not to be.

 

[zarlack_galactic_explorer]

whatever you do, just dont go to india and eat a cow unless you want to be chased by the whole village with axes and giant forks in a ritualistic sacrifice to the cow gods!!! pay respect, listen and learn cow lovers

 

[Forkbender]

Interesting, source? I've been living under the impression that humans are omnivorous.

Just because you can digest everything (eventually), doesn't mean you are best suited to digest everything. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you ought to do it. It takes way more energy to break down meat in your stomach than it does to break down vegetables and fruits.

 

[spice]

Klaatu- Omnivorous by CHOICE.

 

[Klaatu]

Interesting, source? I've been living under the impression that humans are omnivorous.

Just because you can digest everything (eventually), doesn't mean you are best suited to digest everything. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you ought to do it. It takes way more energy to break down meat in your stomach than it does to break down vegetables and fruits.

I know it takes more time to digest meat. It doesn't necessarily mean we aren't "supposed" to eat meat. I repeat: source?

+ Things I forgot in my last post:

Yes, it is, if you ACTUALLY MADE THE FUCKING CHOICE BY THINKING FOR YOURSELF.

If you were conditioned into it, like 99.8% of the planet, then, it might not be all that OK.

Whether you have chains on your ankles, or in your mind, the net result is the same.....slavery.

I've made the choice of how I feel about things by thinkin for myself. Many people have. Some people are conditioned to veganism. At some point of their lives some may think that they disagree with their parents and start eating fish, or even beef. Is that bad?

Not 99.8% of the planet, but a pretty big number, are conditioned to the idea that killing other people is wrong. Some may never actually think about it. Is this kind of conditioning OK?

Not that I am disagreeing with you completely. "Think again" is a beautiful sentence. We shouldn't be so sure about things. Many people seem to completely stop thinking again at the first big turning point in their thinking, e.g. a college student watches "Loose Change" and becomes a conspiracy theorist for the rest of her life. The fact that "everything you know" can be shattered into pieces doesn't mean it can't be shattered again. Does this make all my ideas, arguments and opinions worthless? Yeah, maybe. Isn't life great?

So, on with these worthless words:

If part of the process of becoming a psychonaut is expanding your awareness, then how, please tell me, HOW is becoming more healthy,
as well as becoming more aware of the insidious devices used by industries to coerce consumerism, how is this a non-psychonautic issue?

Awareness and the lack thereof is why it is a psychonaut issue.

"A psychonaut (from the Greek ??????

 

[spice]

Oh, so now you're a moderator?

edit:

The statement 'omnivorous by choice' wasn't particularly directed at anyone.

What I am trying to say is simple;

I don't know if, or how much dolphin or monkey behaivour is derived from free will. But I damn well know that you and I have it, and can base our actions on it.

 

[Klaatu]

This is reaaaally badly off-topic.

Oh, so now you're a moderator?

Ummm....what? I think the moderators should note that this thread doesn't necessarily belong into "general psychonautics". Also, this is a discussion on an internet forum. I do not know you, I have nothing against you as a person and I don't even think your ideas are "wrong". This discussion isn't personal.

I have posted two pretty long replys after my first post, both of them quoting you. Answering them would be nice. Answering with one-line replys that seem a bit insulting...bleh.

 

[spice]

OK- point taken, I apologize.

The answers to anything you'd asked are already within the context of my numerous other posts on this topic.

Anything you press me on, will merely be a restatement of the basic ideas contained therein.

I feel that the subject is much more grey than you, obviously.

 

[Klaatu]

The answers to anything you'd asked are already within the context of my numerous other posts on this topic.

OK. Can't find some things (actually most of the things, for example what kind of conditioning is OK), but maybe I just like discussing things too much. But I'd still like to have a source for the claim that "any competent biologist will tell you that eating meat is a learned behaviour, not a genetically hardwired predisposition".

I'll try to end these too short replies here.

 

[spice]

suit yourself....

 

[Shpongled]

Personally i think vegetarism is a step that doesn't exist, if you are a vegatarian you care about the animals and their situation but not only meat-animals are treated this way, you can't exactly say that egg-chickens have a nice life.

Still I don't think everybody should be veganist(is that the english word for it?)
I personally still eat meat although I try to eat very little.(Today I rejected a meatball because of this topic, that's the first time )

If everyone would do this no one would need meat, but the most important thing for me is the quality of life of these animals.

 

[Klaatu]

suit yourself....

And here we go again. Yay, ignoring the other speaker is a great way of argumentation!

I'm not trying to provoke you or anything. Since you claim to know about these competent biologists, you can clearly give me a link to a research, an interview, a Wikipedia article? I'm interested in finding new information that might change my ideas about the world.

 

[spice]

Then do what I did, and go find a competent biologist yourself.

I have three years of biology at the university level, but you don't need that type of education to draw these conclusions, what you need is the desire to do so....

What I said was that the answers to any of your questions could be found within the context of other posts I have made.

That doesn't mean I answered them literally, you will have to supply some of the inductive reasoning to get to the real meat of the answer.

Biologists have political/social slants too...what I meant was you'll need to find one who doesn't allow his likes and dislikes get in the way of objective reasoning.

Why is it difficult for you to understand that eating meat is a choice?

This is the point you are seizing on and asking for references on....

 

[Forkbender]

I know it takes more time to digest meat. It doesn't necessarily mean we aren't "supposed" to eat meat. I repeat: source?

True. You cannot say that we are supposed or not supposed to eat meat. I just happen to look at effectivity in energy production from food. You can take this as a sign to stop eating meat or not. It is just one of the many reasons I personally stopped eating meat.