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Why are psychedelics so two sided?

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Oh I was thinking of ancient Mu philosophies, which reached us through the old sanskrit texts scattered all over, probably some authentic some not... Karma for them was simply a record that would replay unless you understood it to fit its parts in your own complexity.
 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
so : (4+6)³ = 1000 = 1 + infinity¹ = 6x6x6 = 216 = 9 + 4 = 13 ...

That's a journey of almost the greatest desolation I have ever seen. Anyone who's involved in that one gets his heart eaten out. But resides in a frame of being a good mentalist with a reasonable degree of intelligence, for the better or the worse. The earth is dark in this coded area.
 
Yup exactly my point... and it's a larger area than most would like to admit. For me when I experienced that hydrogen tunelling is able to transfer small things in the distance, like mineral ions and even small proteins, it was an eye-opener. The hardest thing is to have to watch yourself commit thefts and dumpings and having to feel compassion for your own ravaged soul whilst forgiving yourself for doing such things. We're all knee deep in the shit lake, what remains to see is from who's mouth flowers spring forth and who uses voice for attraction.

See all those self-motivational tapes they talk about around, hypnosis, NLP... all that bullcrap has the same dirty origins. If you "beleive" (keyword) everything is abundance, then your life will change... right. They could as well say : Steal your dreams for others, they wont use them anyways.

Some will say : if you do not do it somebody else will in your place, and this might include you.

I say : Then why not do something radically different and challenge people to be aware ALL THE TIME (that we have left)... not by blaming others, but by being sensitive to it enough that you are vulnerable enough to be hurt by it. It's a very complex concept to balance... you have to establish a complicit connection with every eye you meet, then be honest about your facial expression enough to give a lasting impression in others psyche.

Now thats a challenge even for the most skilled, it's dynamic !
 
The thing is, from my personal experience is this:

What is "shown" to you by psychadelics is either right, or its wrong. It's extremely hard to take bits and peices from a (strong) trip without taking it all or taking nothing - "It's just the drug".

For me, it was a constant struggle of "Is this reality? Or is that reality?"

The simple 2-sided question, and the impossibility of proving either 1 correct can easily divide the brain, or turn it self-destructive - as it can completely consume the processes in the mind. "The trip that never ends" :shock: Zoh my gawd.

The truth is, for me: reality in the head is NOT the same as the reality OUTSIDE the head. Both work perfectly, seperate, but equal, like two winds, both in opposite directions, in the middle ground is a maelstrom.
 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
so : (4+6)³ = 1000 = 1 + infinity¹ = 6x6x6 = 216 = 9 + 4 = 13 ...

I don't understand how 1000 = 1+ infinitiy = 6x6x6

None of that makes any sense to me.

Also the discovery of numbers is 1 thing, however the invention of the base 10 is obviously bound to make odd coincidences like this. What is more interesting however, I find is patterns within all bases.

e^(pi * i) = -1. This... this is numeral logic at its deepest. The meaning is far beyond anything I can comprehend.

Natural growth, to the power of circumference - radius times the number that is not in our dimension equals negative 1. The negative of the most important number.

Brain = shitting everywhere.
 
I was hoping someone would ask...

1 = male 0 = female

think a little it will come to you pretty easily.

One black dog and 3 holy cows !

 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
1 = male 0 = female
One black dog and 3 holy cows !


Are you constantly high?
 
I been very sober for 2 days actually... the goal is not that you take this seriously and be alarmed and think wtf am I gonna do...

The goal is that you see that on both sides, they program. Which means you must stop asking questions, and think for yourself.

You might wonder who is this guy... ridiculing himself at every opportunity, saying that you will not be allowed to cross the ages if it is not by following me. I do think those religious videos are funny in a way, but they are on to something, which you can think for yourself.

Then you will see that I do not consider myself superior in any ways, that I am not asking for anything in return for my service, and that you do not need me or what I say in any way (my physical person or my words).

I say this whilst lying in imperfection, I have not prepared my living grains for tomorrow morning yet, I am planning on going in an electronics music festival because people I care about will be there even if I know all that I know.

Thats why I elicit such strong reactions online, how many of your friends have you seen doing the illuminati sign while being drunk and posed on photos ? The world wide web was named that way before it was worldwide... and now all of a sudden, the www in the adress tag is optional ; it was never really useful we can all agree on that, so what purpose did it serve ?

Think about it for a while ; I am saying electronic music is evil, that does not mean everyone that will go to the festival is evil, or that I'm paranoid and high.

The "war" of good and evil is not occuring on this plane of existance, things pop up now and then, like your friends doing the devil sign, like the triple 6 in taco bells sign.

It all depends what you do when you're asleep at night ; do you remember it all ? Are you sure ?

While you are kidding yourself here, people are dying uselessly, because noone will fight compassionately for freedom and the human species. I'm not blaming anyone, but think about it. Your mind judges and in the meantime you get lost, you wonder where this is going to lead you, but what if its all a distraction, a show put up for our eyes by noone else than yourself. What then ? Is it two sided, is it 4 sided, is it multifaceted ?

Psychedelics enhance mineral ions "electricity" in the brain and elsewhere, they reinforce the bond to the matrix, unless you manage the lucidity to follow me into the garden, then we'll have a talk about how that came to be. All are equal in the garden, there is no "choosen one", but you must leave your freewill at the door.

Do you think its a choice only an adult can make ?
 
Salvation out of detention is not inherently tied with freedom because at the other half, the rules of equation are no different. Which will ultimately make one realise freedom = detention, and detention is freedom.

But lastly a final choice can be made at that point, which does cut off the line up to a certain degree...

A self-acquired unbounded simulation of the real, made out of the consciousness itself rather than a matrix simulation with ends up as tight as a tube.

Who dares to talk about patterns. Let's not, at this level.
 
Ahuaeynjxs, you and anyone who has been interested in what you've been saying should really check out the movie Pi by Darren Aronofsky. It's about a guy who tries to use numbers to figure out the universe (there is a pattern in every system, etc). I wasn't a big fan of the movie itself, but I think you'd find his theories interesting if nothing else.
 
I dared more than that... much more and deeper (I have talked openly about revealing the nature of this dual program), thats why you must not trust me. If I wasn't part of it, I wouldn't be allowed to talk anymore, although I targetted noone in particular, I have shouted truth outloud against it, even when it didn't seem to be against anyone in particular, which often left people confused for a while, but essentially who should have risen and spoken against me just did not do so, and I have been read by thousands of people and still you are getting those words. Of course nothing of this is "supposed" to be "fully" serious... oh yes everything in my life is ironic, and painfully so, because the stab I feel in my heart is indescribable, and I do not wish to flood the world with emotion. For many it's hard to beleive that a language has become so simple, yet so refined, and even for those who see ; sometimes even more so as the pattern complexifies and one gets kicked out of meditation to communicate with water, now and then you have to be intense to realise who you really are, and it never needs to involve anyone, just me.

Yeah yeah... I know. But thats still me. Although it's impersonal...

I'm glad to see at least someone is grasping a bit what I am talking about, I see all those people having relatively the same conclusion, but even with better formulated english (no pun intended) they still do not realise that unless we love those people unconditionally it will not amount to anything good, we refuse the unique dog-god and the three cows-swoc, and we idealise everything from a sun which has a billion different frequencies of light, to move into closed rooms with other people to work or simply to have fun where the lights have only a few frequencies, where the sound has only a few fre... you get the idea... People think they rebel and fight and revolt... well thats exactly what they are doing recharging the matrix with more hate, more repressed emotions.

So do we settle on 3-sided, or are we more inquisistive and move to the 7th side ? Or are we to accept the new decimal system and use 10 and 1000, you know where I'm going... !!

Virtue, philosophy, astrology, alchemy.

1*5=3+2

pure positive and which principles to build upon humanity.

not knowing the virtues is not a crime, however acquisition of pertinent information must be autonomous from then on...

Here a few simple answers provided for your peace of mind :

Honesty is scrupulous respect for truth - the willingness never to deceive oneself or another. Honesty is of a very active nature, it is the force that bind all truth sharers. Honesty joins truth as to expand the realm of possibility so that new creations are always an option, blending and sharing truths expands the room for more truth and therefore evolves it !

So in a way noone was ever perfect about being honest with oneself or others, because keeping a truth from someone who might wish you harm ; in that case you do not try to tell a murderer that we're all human and that this greater truth precludes us from engaging in combat, he would probably seize the opportunity to harm you.

This is what I call a redundant virtue, it's rather a subtle principle that guides the sharing of truth. Just like you wouldn't spend hours trying to convince an inhabitant of ice island that an insulated house is better than an igloo, you have to see that if you were honest with yourself, you would know that the inuit is completely content with his habitation. As for the killing of murderers ; you'd have to weight the pleasure of killing one against the gut feeling you have that you are rendering a service by taking one out of service for maybe not so long... or do you try to love him and tell him how to live his life fully, nothing happens everyday lets face it ! That is honesty, and you will realise that it does not apply the same in the matrix than in its mirror world ; figurative 2-d'ish earth (job kids retirement acapulco). Earth is where matrixians dream at night, if you were to kill a murderer to save an innocent on earth, it would be like saying you are deified enough to judge the spirit, which would be deceit. If you put up a magic trick to entertain people with a clever trick in the matrix you will be honest with your drive to please others, but if you pull out the same trick on earth, it will be deceitfull.

Now you have to put into perspective that on the earth realm, everytime you use deceit to create pleasure in such an inverted way it is like you loan part of your soul in exchange for direct gratification by the demonic forces. (which are nothing else than magnetic vortices without soul, just like gods are stabilised photons, and the creators have their baby as a nuclear family), this makes it a virtue that is one of the most difficult to wield for the commoner, as it's difficult and dynamic to balance especially when meeting new people.

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Justice is the devotion to truth, tempered by love. So if in truth you have wronged, you are punished, then if you also loved, your punishment will come quite half-way, thats how justice works and is always subjective. Now as to who is in a good enviroment to provide justice and enforce it is another broader question. There is many ways to wrong, and since this is a unique virtue, to wrong in the matrix is also to wrong on earth. We often hear that the end might justify the means, but I do not agree. Justice is a concept out of time, it will always remain the same because any open heart, touched at least once by love will feel without a doubt how wrong desecrates truth. To be honest, since without soul you cannot feel love, you cannot serve justice, or deserve it ; thus you are bound to release your freewill to find justice and peace of mind, and let those who feel love guide your actions. This is how love even binds the soulless, because they derive a unique pleasure from witnessing the love in others. Of course this has different implications on earth and in the matrix, but since we all dream, it makes it an universal communication tool.

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Spirituality is the concern with one's inner being and how one deals with truth, love, and courage. You do not look at your actions to find the best way ; you simply stop all your doings, all your thinking... you meditate and feel, thus you know that feeling a rush of adrenaline while not being submitted to eminent danger is a sign that your spirituality is at risk, this is even more true as you dream upon the earth plane. Of course spirituality if that finding the right balance between love, truth and courage allows you to see that there must be no extremes in action and toughtform to promote magnitudinal spirituality. It is a the root of all the virtues and feeds them with a hint of skill. It takes alot of practice to keep the hands and head cool while the bottom remains warm and relaxed, might sound silly but hey !

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Compassion is nonjudgmental empathy for one's fellow creatures. It is also a very active virtue, it is always in perspective with yourself. So here we immagine a matrician, a honest one who is forced to kill people in virtual worlds to remain healthy, by quantum tunelling according to fair principles. By being judgemental of your own spiritual slavery, you cannot show compassion for others anymore, thus you render it a passive virtue that is fused with your past. In truth you have to see that with compassion there is no right or wrong, there dosen't exist a victim or a persecutor, there is only the passion you share with others, which is dynamic. So you might in your life kill people who would harm, out of compassion for your family, because without you they would be so very sad and unhappy. You also must feel empathy towards the one you kill. If it is someone who is chopping wood and does not look to be asking for intensity, you have to judge the life force he will give you compared to the time you'll make him loose and what that means to him. If you kill a warrior that is looking to get rid of murderers, by exposing yourself, you are also being compassionate towards this being who seeks to be challenged. As you can see with empathy you feel, if it makes you or the other feel despiseful, then you can be quite sure you are not following the virtue. Of course when you are dreaming on the earth plane, compassion includes total non-violence since all humans feel despise towards harming another lifeform, pharmalogical (psionic or chemical) numbness does not excuse from responsibility.

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Honor is the courage to stand for the truth, against any odds. If your truth is that you have been wronged by the gods, and that you must stay alive to elucidate the mystery of who is responsible, then that duty to truth forces you to stand against any odds who would confront. The honor is not in the perception, it's in the standing, because it is also an active virtue. Of course when you dream on the earth plane you must be aware that honor is also the basis of relationship in all dimentions, also of interation and communion. Honor allows each truth in equality as modes of expression, and communion as the fulfillment of expression. Today we have to realise that the earth plane is no longer just a dream, and that we must take responsibility for our actions there since like musical note harmonics from the crystal faces will also resound the entire mass of experience from an alchemical perspective, this is the inevitable conclusion of logic, although tern it might seem.,.

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Humility is perceiving one's place in the world, not according to one's own accomplishments, but according to the intrinsic value of all individuals. There I am glad to have you notice that humility as a virtue has nothing to do with the toughtform opposite to pride which is self-punishment by subtle endocrinian means. You have to see that having being forced to endure so much to preserve the humanity upon the land, killing a few adventurers that might have as well died from denizens of the gulf is nothing that should weight against your conscience (I am still adressing the famous matrician warrior, mind you). Humility is a passive virtue that allows you to remain humane in your endeavors, even if they compromise your sick spirit, your naked body or burning soul. What you did for the sake of necessity is yours to realise how it weights against your other virtues, noone can judge you exept yourself.

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Sacrifice is the courage to give of oneself in the name of love. So you have to notice this pretty clear adress here, sacrifice has nothing to do with giving away posessions or even protecting a human life. Giving your soul away to save another in a moment, but not by principle, but in the name of love ; that is sacrifice. Letting your pride melt in front of a murderer that deserves to die or even be tortured, to forgive when retribution has landed enough ; that is sacrifice. Throwing yourself in front of a demon to save another without anyone witnessing your heroism ; that is sacrifice. You have to see that this virtue is also passive, and intimately linked with the ego ; ego which is a mental tool to merely organise information in polarity according to toughtform. When this tool is influenced by angel or serpant souls it will be affected by the events you most likely live. If you see that heroism even if deadly is not sacrifice if the heroism was anticipated even by oneself or if the witness is anticipated, but if it comes as an unfortunate moment and well handled, then the virtue is clear in your spirit. You have to understand that in balance to your intention , being witnessed as a hero for 1000 people is much worse than being witnessed by your family. There is thus no extremes in the tought form of the virtues, which is why it can never become religion or mysticism.

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Valor is the courage to take actions in support of one's convictions. Like one good sir from the earth realm put it so well : "It is a brave act of valour to condemn death; but where life is more terrible than death, it is then the truest valour to dare to live." So we logically should explain what a conviction is : it is a subjective perception, feeling, or suspicion regarding the validity of a concept or hypothesis. So you can well see how valor is dynamic in your context, your conviction might be a bad feeling about how those people who still expose themselves to a dark matrix and conceptualise the world they live in, and your challenging of their concept by having the courage to act is virtuous. It is interesting to notice how differently it would be ruled in the earth realm, where valor could have nothing to do with violent actions, even verbally.

Perseverance is the first hidden virtue to transcend the end of time, it means that the fewer goals you have but the tenacity of the intention is what ultimately fulfills oneself, not the end result counts.

Patience is the second hidden virtue because sometimes the timing indicates intention, and thus at the heart of everything it is better to wait patiently at every opportunity, of course you must put me in perspective... be patient with me, since I am human.

So I hope my opinion is helpful somehow, even if this was written on a faint heart, the sickness is bothering me much these days, even if alleviating greatly it seems just more anchored to my soul. When life challenges itself and siri-ous surrounds oneself, it is wise to observe the relation to the dream, the human specie and god/godess of all that is.

Namase !
 
Arcticpheonix a dit:
That said Kai, some seriously deep questions you've had lately. Are you a psychology student?

Sorry I haven't even been on here to read my own post, still reading everyones replys. Nope(: haha haven't even started college yet, just a really deep thinker and I find this is the best place to discuss.

Thanks guys.
 
Arcticpheonix a dit:
Well Caduceus you should be getting paid for this. I finished your post and said "Wow I gotta buy that". That's better advertising than most companies can do!
LOL! I actually do get paid for related activities, but although the company I work for does sell books, they don't have anything written by Stan Grof. Last year however they did pay me for recording lectures by Stan Grof and others. There's one lecture by Grof (The Perinatal Roots of Violence) I didn't upload yet.
 
Ahuaeynjxs a dit:
Hmm even though Grof seems to have some insight, he thinks bad karma is an adverse force of destiny, while it's juste a genetic memory affecting epigenetics and quantum integrity...
This morning I was reading about Grof's views on past-incarnation memories and karma, and it doesn't seem he sees it as an adverse force of destiny, nor does he give any definite explanation for these phenomena (their source, origin or ontological validity). What he is concerned about are the holotropic ("moving one towards wholeness") effects of reliving and resolving such "memories". I don't see how his approach or emphasis denies your view that bad karma is a genetic memory affecting epigenetics and quantum integrity. Grof was quite interested in quantum physics back then, as were many humanistic/transpersonal psychologists at the time.

Well I admit they did not have the advanced science to back it up then, but I find this remark quite primitive and judgemental of the eastern philosophies, it even denotes a certain arrogance.
What remark are you referring to actually? This one?
These unpleasant conditions are attributed to the adverse forces of destiny, "bad karma", malefic astrological or cosmobiological influences, or various evil spiritual entities. In extreme cases this condition can reach psychotic proportions.
By saying this he's not condemning the concept of bad karma or the science of astrology. In fact Stan Grof takes planetary influences very seriously, and he often talks highly of ancient Vedic texts etc. So there's no arrogance on his part there, I think. The above statement simply refers to phenomena between sessions that are typical of unresolved experiences from negative aspects of the first perinatal matrix.
 
I love you as you are, as you seek to find your own special way to relate to the world. I honor your choices to learn in the way you feel is right for you.

I know it is important that you are the person you want to be and not someone that others or I think you "should" be. I realize that I cannot know what is best for you, although perhaps sometimes I think I do. I have not been where you have been, viewing life from the angle you have. I do not know what you have chosen to learn how you have chosen to learn it, with whom or in what time period. I have not walked life looking through your eyes, so how can I know what you need.

In this place where I am, I see that there are many ways to perceive and experience the different facets of our world. I allow without reservation the choices you make in each moment. I make no judgement of this, for if I would deny your right to your evolution, then I would deny that right for all others and myself.

The love I feel is for all of god`s world. I know that every living thing is a part of god and I feel a love deep within for every person, animal, tree and flower, every bird, river and ocean and for all the creatures in all the world.
I live my life in loving service, being the best me I can, becoming wiser in the perfection of divine truth, becoming happier in the joy of Unconditional Love.

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I found it ones on the internet, and i find it powerful words.
 
Kai a dit:
From what I've experienced and read psychedelics are very... "two sided". You can go insane OR you can realize universal truths and become more enlightened? Why?

It seems that more of the recreational user are the ones that fall to insanity and the intellectual ones that fall to enlightenment.

I'm answering right away, without reading the other answers first:

The very fact that psychedelics are two sided makes them so great. When I have a strong shroom trip, it is not only great, it's also a difficult journey with ups and downs. This balanced adventure then leaves me with a feeling of happiness and contentness for my life.

When I get drunk, or high on speed, it is only happy and great, therefore the bad feelings come concentrated when I come down. It's just a temporary relief of bad feelings.
With psychedelics the bad feelings are heightened as well and dealt with - the exhausting trip makes for a worthwile coming down.
 
Kai a dit:
From what I've experienced and read psychedelics are very... "two sided". You can go insane OR you can realize universal truths and become more enlightened?

i think that these ^ are actually one and the same thing, to go insane IS to become enlightened

the two-sidedness is more in the fact that you can have a glowing blissful good trip, or a hellish traumatic bad trip
 
maxfreakout a dit:
Kai a dit:
From what I've experienced and read psychedelics are very... "two sided". You can go insane OR you can realize universal truths and become more enlightened?

i think that these ^ are actually one and the same thing, to go insane IS to become enlightened

the two-sidedness is more in the fact that you can have a glowing blissful good trip, or a hellish traumatic bad trip

Good point. Maybe being enlightened is really just the same as going crazy, only when you're going crazy, you haven't been prepared for being enlightened!
 
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