Who thinks psychadelics are more than drugs?

[ophiuchus]

this isnt a flame god thread stfu. if u dont like him argue with him on PM's

So you tell US off not him...........? just like i said

that's right!

i have but one question for you. why do you or anybody else give a shit what GOD thinks or says? you obviously dont like his opinions... next time you see his name or avatar, skip over whatever is written by him or about him,it's that damn simple, instead of trying to be the informer snitch and getting him in trouble.

trying to act like a dictator and have him banned for expressing his opinion? cool... what are you thinking? honestly? GOD helps out in alot of threads, he is just very direct and if he thinks your off your rocker, he'll tell you, he doesn't care what you think about him, and he doesn't beat around the bush like alot of people. for you to try and call him out is an ignorant move. im not saying stand around and be silent on this, debate him back. (calling him and asshole isn't a well formed rebuttal.) i don't agree with ANYBODY 100%, and im not sore about it, whats your deal?



BACK ON TOPIC: LSA and LSD are not similar at all in my opinion, just because their structures are very similar, doesn't mean that the effects are too. 5-meo-amt, is not the same as 5-meo-dmt is not the same as DMT. wait for somebody like spice or entheonaut to come in here and tear that arguement to pieces. hydrogens without an oxygen molecule will do nothing but fuel a fire, not douse it.

 

[aryaman]

mushrooms are not drugs they are natural growing fungi, nothing more
same with cacti and weed etc
any extraction is a drug because u are taking the active ingredient from the plant so it is no longer the plant itself

Sorry, I don't think you have a correct Drug meaning.
Drug comes from the french drogue, provenzal (I hope you say like this in english) droja, drogua and the dutch droog, literally meaning dry plant, (in ancient scandinavian we can also see the term drangr, dry wood).

With drug you etimologically mean every spice, cooking plant or medical plant.
From this point of view, the linguistic one, LSD has less right to be call so

 

[Crimzen]

wtf
panadol is a drug, its certainly not a plant in any way.

So you tell US off not him...........? just like i said

i wasnt telling anyone off i was putting it like it is, people stray too far off topic only to insult other people, it just doesnt make sense on a forum like this

Thus sacred earth, sacred medicine. Because it heals our relationship with sacred earth. Understand? And with the community, of others, and other speciies. That is the essence.
And what do you mean that the deep meaning that can be had from ingesting sacred medicine is 'quite coincidental'? Are you talking from your own perspective? Do they not mean much to you so you project your experience on others?

adding the word sacred to the front of another word doesnt make it any more special than it was before you added it
i didnt mean the deeper meaning is coincidental, the effects that happen to people the way they do is coincidental, or its coincidental that the plants have these effects on us, not to lessen the meaning of them at all, what happens within your mind is what happens regardless of what tools you use to induce it.
my meaning was that these effects were only meant to deter animals from eating or damaging the plants/fungi, they didnt evolve to deliberately make us have these experiences the fact that the chemicals they produce react in our brains the way they do is the coincidence

 

[zezt]

wtf
panadol is a drug, its certainly not a plant in any way.

So you tell US off not him...........? just like i said

i wasnt telling anyone off i was putting it like it is, people stray too far off topic only to insult other people, it just doesnt make sense on a forum like this

[quote:3nc8lpgo]Thus sacred earth, sacred medicine. Because it heals our relationship with sacred earth. Understand? And with the community, of others, and other speciies. That is the essence.
And what do you mean that the deep meaning that can be had from ingesting sacred medicine is 'quite coincidental'? Are you talking from your own perspective? Do they not mean much to you so you project your experience on others?

adding the word sacred to the front of another word doesnt make it any more special than it was before you added it
i didnt mean the deeper meaning is coincidental, the effects that happen to people the way they do is coincidental, or its coincidental that the plants have these effects on us, not to lessen the meaning of them at all, what happens within your mind is what happens regardless of what tools you use to induce it.
my meaning was that these effects were only meant to deter animals from eating or damaging the plants/fungi, they didnt evolve to deliberately make us have these experiences the fact that the chemicals they produce react in our brains the way they do is the coincidence[/quote:3nc8lpgo]

Please present what evidence you have to support your conclusions?

And, are you a Buddhist? You forgot to answer?

 

[Crimzen]

i didnt forget to answer i chose not to. no i'm not a buddhist i'm an atheist but i dont intend to discuss my personal beliefs with you

evidence? for them being defense mechanisms? theres no other reason for them to have evolved in that way
other plants have similar defense mechanisms and as nature is quite uniform to an extent it only makes sense, i think i first read something to this effect on wikipedia, not 100% sure

so where is your evidence as to otherwise?

 

[UniversalConsciousness]

Sure psychedelics are more than "drugs" but it really depends on how you define "drugs". The term as it is often used today is that of a substance or plant that causes addiction and social problems. With this being said of course then substances and plants like lsd or cacti aren't drugs. However if by drug you mean a substance or plant that alters the body or mind then yeah lsd and cacti are drugs. It's all a matter of definition.....personally though I hate using the term "drug". It's such a widely used and abused label and there's really no consistent definition of it. In some common definitions drugs include pot and lsd but not tobacco or alcohol! So in this case a drug is anything that is illegal. That's an even more retarded definition.

I suppose the best thing to do is just do away with the term drug because of no consistent definition. We can just call psychedelics "medicines"...due the negative connotations associated with the term"drugs".

 

[IJesusChrist]

Like I said, I was trying to be careful with my choice of words when I made this thread.

 

[zezt]

i didnt forget to answer i chose not to. no i'm not a buddhist i'm an atheist but i dont intend to discuss my personal beliefs with you

whats with this hostile attitude dude?

evidence? for them being defense mechanisms? theres no other reason for them to have evolved in that way
other plants have similar defense mechanisms and as nature is quite uniform to an extent it only makes sense, i think i first read something to this effect on wikipedia, not 100% sure

so where is your evidence as to otherwise?

You are talking from complete and utter ignore-ance. All you are showing us is words that do not amount to much whatsoever when contrasted with the VAST amount of evidence that proves the sacred meaning of sacred vegetation and substances is central to the history of humankind.

Unless you have anything sensible to add, why say anything? What are you even doing at a forum which devotes itself to knowledge and use of psychedelics if you think they are as insignificant as candy?

 

[misfit]

Sometimes it can be a toad!

Does jenkem count too?

 

[GOD]

zest , your talking crap and trying to cause trouble again . All youve done in your posts is to try to trash what others say with insults and empty words . You show some truth , you show some facts and stop talking inflamatory bullshit .

From what you write i seriously doubt that you have much real knowledge of psychedelics , and that you take them .

You remind me of the style of fox news , the daily sport and the news of the world .

 

[Jeniger]

zest , your talking crap and trying to cause trouble again . All youve done in your posts is to try to trash what others say with insults and empty words . You show some truth , you show some facts and stop talking inflamatory bullshit .

From what you write i seriously doubt that you have much real knowledge of psychedelics , and that you take them .

You remind me of the style of fox news , the daily sport and the news of the world .

God, all of a sudden u sound so wise, u should listen to urself when u say these things, what happend, u saw the light? 8)

 

[zezt]

zest , your talking crap and trying to cause trouble again . All youve done in your posts is to try to trash what others say with insults and empty words . You show some truth , you show some facts and stop talking inflamatory bullshit .

From what you write i seriously doubt that you have much real knowledge of psychedelics , and that you take them .

You remind me of the style of fox news , the daily sport and the news of the world .

God, all of a sudden u sound so wise, u should listen to urself when u say these things, what happend, u saw the light? 8)

hahahh :lol:

 

[Forkbender]

The term as it is often used today is that of a substance or plant that causes addiction and social problems.

Drugs don't cause these things. The problem is people's misuse of them.

 

[lucky_lab_rat]

... the only reason they are particularly 'special' is because they happen to affect humans quite profoundly which may i add is quite coincidental
for the most part the effects are defense mechanisms for the plant itself, its unfortunate for the plants that we enjoy these effects and it actually has an opposite effect from the intended one

May I present a different take? These plants, have, by nature of their effect on humans, ensured their spread outside of their native areas. So in a sense, they have sacrificed a portion of their population in exchange for a wider distribution, as well as being protected and tended to.

 

[IJesusChrist]

poop.

 

[Crimzen]

... the only reason they are particularly 'special' is because they happen to affect humans quite profoundly which may i add is quite coincidental
for the most part the effects are defense mechanisms for the plant itself, its unfortunate for the plants that we enjoy these effects and it actually has an opposite effect from the intended one

May I present a different take? These plants, have, by nature of their effect on humans, ensured their spread outside of their native areas. So in a sense, they have sacrificed a portion of their population in exchange for a wider distribution, as well as being protected and tended to.

thats true but i think coincidental as its only come into truth over the last say 4000 years (random estimate im sure is wrong feel free to correct me)
thats not long enough for such a complex gene spreading tactic to evolve
though that seems to be the only way they have thrived to this age

(off topic) i find it interesting to think of what psychedelics existed in the past and how they may have affected us, i mean if we have them now surely other species existed far in the past

 

[ochho]

Yes, they are really mind-altering, for they alter the way signals are passed on through the nervous system. Whatever other 'dimension' one enters, it's brought into being with the onset of the drug, and fades into nothingness when the body returns to the serotonine mode. It's not that you visit an ontological reality 'out there' or 'in there', it's not that doors are opened. The drug 'creates' the doors of the realm that you then enter. You don't witness a hidden part of your psyche, but an altered version of your psyche, in some cases altered so much and so suddenly that it's not even that much of a psychological or psychedelic experience anymore.

I couldn't agree more
This is exactly the way I would describe them. And I think there is benefits attached with this "altered version", as it would be attached with any new persepective, new point of view, when considering any topic, discussion, or debate.