Where's the psychonautic's?

[sopor]

While reading this a question came on my mind:

Do the laws realy stop people from taking drugs? Do they even make them harder to get?

Maybe I live in a drug-friendly country, but I had no problems with authority so far. And I smoke MJ a lot. Almost everywhere I want. As long as I don't sell them or sth, it's ok.

How many of you allready had problems with police because of drug use?

I am for complete legalisation of all drugs (age limit would be ok). If goverments would educate instead of prohibit there would be a lot less drug abuse IMO. But even if drugs are illegal, whoever wants to use them, he will.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

SOPOR you have told the essence of problem! Drugs are baned but this only make them more sweeter! We love to look into tabooed themes. Every person have this 'curiosity' in them. And someone will try to feel that 'curiosity'!
And bout law! In Croatia (even on first cover of national newspapers) was described paradoxical looking on drug law. One guy from reggae band was busted with 1,8grams of weed VS hard core sociopath who has assaulted pregnant women and she lost her baby! And what each of them got for there crimes? Reggie man got 2 YEARS IN PRISON and mad fuck only 8 MOUNTHS for assault 1degree and killing of unborn baby! AND TELL ME WHERE THIS WORLD IS GOING!?!?!? Life worths only 8 months in jail confronting with 2grams of weed as 2 years of jail!

 

[spice]

I'll tell you where it's going....with all the rest of the shit.....down the old crapper.

We all share a bit of responsibility, too....many people don't seem to have a 'line in the sand', or a point past which they absolutely, positively WILL NOT TAKE ANY MORE SHIT.

This line is mutable, which REALLY goes to the heart of the problem,
namely that we humans are so adaptable that we are WILLING TO ADAPT to whatever new restrictions big daddy government lays down....we accept the yoke of government as willingly as any cow moving down the slaughterhouse chute, and we get what that poor animal gets, we get turned into A MOTHERFUCKING PRODUCT, a hamburger, designed for mass consumption, and the enrichment of a few old, fat, white men.

What no one seems to understand is that every single day we allow this to continue, it gets harder and harder to stop it without a LOT OF PEOPL:E dying.

Because that IS what is eventually going to happen, folks.

Don't take my word for it, read your history and analyze the patterns that reside within it. As Robert Anton Wilson said in
'Quantum Psychology', any pattern, by definition, contains information.

HIstory is full of hints as to what the future will be like if this is allowed to continue much longer.....and it's black, people.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

And tell me do you have some ways how can we this shit overthrown? No one has place ideas on concrete!

 

[buffachino]

It quite simple,
Stop empowering those who dominate you.
Their authority only stems from the power that the people themselves supply.
If you are complacent and continue to empower your own suffering, it will consume you and everything you love.

We must put an end to our disempowerment by ceasing our self imposed suffering.
The more people that walk away, the less power industry holds over us.

Take back your lives and stop consuming your own affliction.

Peace.

 

[Forkbender]

:? People who only focus on the way the government controls their lives are control freaks without a sense of responsibility. Take responsibility for your own life and stop focusing on something that is outside of your control.

 

[buffachino]

I would say, take responsibility to that which is inside your ability to love.
The attempt to control is a path to suffering; it is the contraction of possibility through ignorance.
Something is only outside your ability to love if you deem it to be so.
To embrace change is to love ambiguity just as much as conviction.
When you ignore the possibility of change, you diminish your ability to love.

So to say that change is outside of yourself would be to ignore your ability to love.
Love is within all of us, and change beneficial for all is the expression of that love.

Do not let your love be constrained by disregarding the possibility of love itself.

Peace.

 

[Meduzz]

indeed.

i mean, in belgium we have just been trough a half year without a government.
and daily life hasn't been different in that half year.

agree, the system was still running, the laws didn't dissapear and the police was still active, so were the courts of law.

but then you clearly see that the problem lies in the laws and system itself, not in the ones who "run" the system. (yes, "run" the system)

but i can truly understand spice's vision against government control as he lives in the US. things ARE different over there. Spice, i feel sorry for you man, when were you moving to europe again? :wink:

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

It quite simple,
Stop empowering those who dominate you.
Their authority only stems from the power that the people themselves supply.
If you are complacent and continue to empower your own suffering, it will consume you and everything you love.

We must put an end to our disempowerment by ceasing our self imposed suffering.
The more people that walk away, the less power industry holds over us.

Take back your lives and stop consuming your own affliction.

Peace.

Who am I in fat and ugly mass of quasi animals who call themselves humans! I could try and someone with same mind also. We tried, but on last government elections we failed! Not enough votes! So draconian laws will going to fry every soul with different looks on drugs, believing in drugs and believe in excess of drug using! New four years of Kafka's trial and judgment!

 

[sopor]

I feel you... Your laws are just... crazy. Come on, 2 years in prison for possesion of 2 g's? Might sound silly but if I were you, I would move. From as much as I hear about your goverment, this shit aint gonna stop soon. This is why I sweared not to go to Croatia until the laws change. And I liked going to your country a lot. But this is too much. Leave the boat, man.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

I would like to! But where? How? I do not have connections and wires in family so no help from them. I know how to use PC, hardware especially. If you can help me I would like to take any job away from here and from surroundings of Croats and my family-friends (fuckups from the start of theirs life!) And also I know lot's of chem-mind-drugs so some Smart shop would give for sure dry gold for me. Little egoistic announcement but very true.

 

[Meduzz]

so some Smart shop would give for sure dry gold for me.

there is only one country where you can find decent smartshops :wink:
hup hup holland :lol:

 

[BrainEater]

hey nice replies!! buffachino, your words are like honey for my mind.
you are right... it is truly sick...what's the fucking sense of it... protection of the people? from themselves? or from the bad bad herbs? it's ridiculous...start learn to understand please.. but.... ignoreance is bliss right (?)..

Peace!!

 

[Forkbender]

Ignorance indeed is bliss. But it's a quasi bliss that requires you to pretend you are not a person with wants and needs and asks you to, in fact, ignore your self.

 

[sopor]

But if you foccus only on yourself and your needs and not even trying to make the world a better place, what have you done? And as soon as one includes other people in his view he cannot ignore goverment and laws they make.
Why foccus on other peoples needs? I belive that the purpose of life in our dimension are interhuman relations. To get to know them and to live in peace with them. Only then can we move one step closer to enlightement. But how can you live in peace with everybody if somebody you wan't to love is doing harm to somebody else you love? We must try to get all the people to see that love and peace are the only way. This is why I am concerned with goverments that brainwash people to do the opposite. Maybe trying to control the world around is trying to tell and convince people to live in peace. I am not saying that living in peace will bring us salvation. Nobody knows that. But it would be a lot nicer to live in a world without hate...

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Money, more money, I will sell my mother for more money, my children, my kidneys, parts of liver, be experimental rat for money, kill a friend, I will do anything for money. This attitude is killing our sociality. MONEY-ONLy MONEY

 

[Meduzz]

Money is like manure, of very little use except it be spread.
-Francis Bacon

 

[zarlack_galactic_explorer]

Yeh we all know money should be redistributed and rebalanced.
The larger the gap between the rich and the poor becomes, the more "normal" tax paying citizens will suffer and have to hand over their hard earned cash to zionist bankers and elite tactitians.

I agree with everyone here, the government try to take away the true values and feelings we can manifest like love and compassion, peace and instead replace it with its opposites hate, materialistic living and possesions.
Its like trading the rats cheese with a poison pellet. The rat is ignorant to what its being fead blindly trusting the one above him and eating what he is served. The rat has been rendered unable to think freely for hisself.

This rat has no happiness and will never prosper because he misunderstands true values and meanings. He has been confused by the BBC and CNN to believe in a way where he will be deprived of answers and the ability to seek them. Basically to what all of us mostly agreed, the limits you set on yourself will inturn limit the things you see and perceive or understand. So you are destroying your inner ability to achieve something beautiful simply buy disbelieving it. Knowing that there are forces at work of the unknown but refusing to accept them is possible. This results in the destruction of your ability to see things out of the normal human clones perceptory senses.

I agree that we should keep alot of the articles strictly on a mind expanding psychonaut level for the benefit of everyone and our own minds development.

 

[Forkbender]

I agree with everyone here, the government try to take away the true values and feelings we can manifest like love and compassion, peace and instead replace it with its opposites hate, materialistic living and possesions.

Right. It's the government. Always the government. We the people are helpless.

Of course not! You have to take responsibility for your own actions, show your love, compassion instead of blaming someone else for the lack you experience. If you put it out there, how can there be a lack of love around you?

[e]Oh, and welcome!
hope I didn't scare ya away.

 

[zarlack_galactic_explorer]

Right. It's the government. Always the government. We the people are helpless.

fork_bender: True we are not helpless thats not what i was trying to say. Of course the government can not really take control of our lives and minds unless we allow them too and we already posess the ability to give love. I will take you advice and start sending my love to people.

You already know this but some people will unknowingly give all their life to their government, i guess its scary for them to dive in to the infinite source of knowledge and wisdom, within their selves! so instead they hop merrily along the yellow brick road paved by some evil genius (lets call him oz) just so they will feel comfortable dancing with everyone else instead of plunging into the reality which you make yourself.

Sorry if im acting like a new comer but psychedelics are somewhat of a new thing to me, although the limitless thoughts and imagination are not.