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I was just brousing the forum and I started to notice that there are very few threads about ACTUAL psychonautics [i.e. exploration of the consciousness/theories of existance ect..]. I mean sure theres conversation within threads that touch on the subject, but the name of this site is Psychonaut.com for christ sakes people lol.

So im in a very psychonautic mood right now and the setting here as of this moment would be and absoulte perfect invironment for a wounderful trip, BUT im going to try something a bit diffrent tonight, im tripping sobor. Since my good friend/psychonaut [well he dosent consider himself one but he is :) ] is not here, i figure why not enjoy it with my brethren around the world. Now im not taking shrooms or LSD or smoking marijuana because their not available, but because ive been starting to notice that these experiences rarely happen sobor, and the human mind is obviously capable of doing it. My little theory is that after repeated trips, the mind relies on the substance to activate the train of thoughts that they do. Have you ever noticed that its quite hard to sit down and have a psychedelic conversation with someone sobor?

Where do i start?... Well how about a little trip report to spin some theories off of.

So the other day while with my psychonaut friend that i told you about earlier, we had a few rather strange experiences while on a medium dose of DXM. Call it what you want, paranormal or what, but this had no explanation whatso ever. First on the list, we were out back watching the stars and just talking about the usual things you talk about on a trip, when i glanced at the street light by my house and it turned off... i thought to myself wow that was quite a quincidence, but then at the precise moment i looked back at it [about 10seconds later] it turned back on! This realy got me thinking... theres no way that that was a couincedence. I explaned to my friend what happend and we embarked on a conversation that somewhat reseambled>>> Well you know we only use 10% of our brain or something and look at how much we can do, can you imagine what the other 90% is capabile of?!? Witch brought me to my next theory, we only use that 10% sobor, what if while under the influence of mind expanding drugs that we could tap into parts of our brains that are capable of these kind of phenomina. Never using them before we naturally wouldnt be able to control our actions very well, just as you cant walk or talk when you are first born.

Later into the night my friend was telling me that lately he has been listining to more bob marley than trance, that moment on my computer a bob marley song came on that was not supposed to be played untill another 15 songs or so, and he freaked because he was just talking about bob marley and it was the same song he was thinking of... now i understand that the chances of that happining are VERY slim, but even if we were using parts of our brain that we havent before, that would mean that somehow he subcounsously controled my computer!!! Now we started to kinda lose any logical explanations of how it happend other then some kind of subcounsous control. As much as we tried to replecate the situation, we found it impossible. So we figured out the it only happens when you dont expect it. Naturally, trying to 'not expect' it made us expect it so we decided that we would just forget about it, countinue on our trip and hope for the best.

Now this next part nether i nor my friend have gotten ANYONE else to believe what happend. Somewhat after the platue of the trip we were just kinda starring off into space, i was staring at my jumbo digital clock with out a thought in my mind. It was 1:23am and while i was staring at it, the clock changed to 88:88 and both the AM and PM were light up, i diddnt break eye contact and i got my friend's attention and pointed at the clock, the exact moment my eyes left the clock it went back to normal... this kinda spooked us and we went to bed...

So what do you guys think?... Am i the only one this has happend to? and by the opinion of the more edjucated people than I [im still in high school] is my theory that while under the influence of mind expanding drugs that we could tap into parts of our brain that are capable of things like this plausable?

I seem to rember somwhere reading a strong LSD trip report that 2 tripping people could communicate telepathicly, so im assuming that im not the only person that has experienced some kind of phenomina of the sort. Now what made that night diffrent from all the other nights that ive tripped, i have no idea. The setting is always the same, friday night at my house, no one home, music, incense, ect.. Its not like its some newley found talent etheir because ive tripped a few timess since that night and nothing out of the ordanary has happend for me or my friend.

Your 2 cents would be greatly appreiciated :D

[oh and ya i know my spelling sucks lol]
 
Well from my point of view these things are real. I also have experience with telepathy, even when sober. Saying something the other one was just about to say or thinking the exact same sentence just a second before someone else say's it. In one trip I even met a friend (litterally saw him) who was also tripping two kilometers away and the day afterwards I found out he saw me at about the same time.

That streetlight going off has something to do with the energy in your body I guess, some time ago I posted a thread about it and someone else posted a link to another thread where someone said she was experiencing similar things while on DXM k(light's going out, thought even streetlights). It's this thread I think but you have to be logged in to view the topic.
 
Strange world, isn't it?

I can pretty much read minds on acid. In daily life it's slightly harder, but I can guess the color people think of with more accuracy than is statistically possible (especially with people I know well). I've noticed that the thought that these things are not possible prevent them from happening, it is another way in which consciousness creates reality. Ask and you shall be given, seek and you shall find.
 
yes thats another one, mind expanding drugs do just that expand your mind, so things that you would normally percive as impossible start to look a whole lot more possible from the diffrent point of view.

I havent exparemented with LSD enough to have any kind of 'experience' like what you guys have described [assuming that forkbender was talking about LSD], it just dosent come into my city much, i live in the ghetto and all the people do here is coke, hydroponic green [wich is a plus], and painkillers.. :?
 
what you shouldn't forget is that it's utter bs that we use only 10% of our brain. There is not a single part of the brain that has 0 activity all the time.
Furthermore I would sadly say that your experiences is too easily explained away by everyday occuring things. I say the human mind is capable of quite some interesting things, but telepathy and such I won't accept until I can conclude without a doubt that I have seen it happen/experience it/it's been done in a repeatable experiment.
 
silv a dit:
what you shouldn't forget is that it's utter bs that we use only 10% of our brain. There is not a single part of the brain that has 0 activity all the time.
agreed
Furthermore I would sadly say that your experiences is too easily explained away by everyday occuring things. I say the human mind is capable of quite some interesting things, but telepathy and such I won't accept until I can conclude without a doubt that I have seen it happen/experience it/it's been done in a repeatable experiment.
The thing is that you cannot experience it unless you accept that it is possible. You can explain away everything if you are not willing to see. Reason and Truth are two entirely different subjects. There are so many accounts of telepathy that one has to take in consideration the possibility of it being a reality.
 
Forkbender a dit:
silv a dit:
what you shouldn't forget is that it's utter bs that we use only 10% of our brain. There is not a single part of the brain that has 0 activity all the time.
agreed
Furthermore I would sadly say that your experiences is too easily explained away by everyday occuring things. I say the human mind is capable of quite some interesting things, but telepathy and such I won't accept until I can conclude without a doubt that I have seen it happen/experience it/it's been done in a repeatable experiment.
The thing is that you cannot experience it unless you accept that it is possible. You can explain away everything if you are not willing to see. Reason and Truth are two entirely different subjects. There are so many accounts of telepathy that one has to take in consideration the possibility of it being a reality.
I am willing to take it into consideration, however I won't become a full believer before I experience it. And if something requires me to believe in it before I can experience it, I don't even want to experience it. It's like paying a dude for a car with the promise that I will get the car sometime.
There are also alot of accounts of people being touched by angels/god/jesus but that doesn't make me consider the possibility that there is a god until I experience him/her/it.
 
silv a dit:
I am willing to take it into consideration, however I won't become a full believer before I experience it. And if something requires me to believe in it before I can experience it, I don't even want to experience it. It's like paying a dude for a car with the promise that I will get the car sometime.

1 question: why do you believe that the external reality is in fact a reality and not just a myth? How can you be sure? It's not like the dude-car-metaphor; it happens at the same time. What you believe is what you get.
 
Forkbender a dit:
silv a dit:
I am willing to take it into consideration, however I won't become a full believer before I experience it. And if something requires me to believe in it before I can experience it, I don't even want to experience it. It's like paying a dude for a car with the promise that I will get the car sometime.

1 question: why do you believe that the external reality is in fact a reality and not just a myth? How can you be sure? It's not like the dude-car-metaphor; it happens at the same time. What you believe is what you get.
I never said I did, however if you're gonna bring solipsism into this discussion I'm hopping out ;)
I choose to believe certain things and others I don't. The human nature is in essence hypocritical and realising this I don't really care about it anymore. Why do I choose to believe the things i can touch/feel/smell/taste/pinch? Because I sure as hell much rather believe my own senses than what another person tells me.
 
hey!!!

i suppose believing in telepathic communication is easier, than not doing it. Apart of that it's quite probable that it's possible. Why do you think the shocking power of brains is limited of acting inside itself? It might be also used as a direct sender and receiver? I mean you can transfer thought into speech, but you can also stay at the level which comes before that, which means forming the words in the brain and giving them a meaning and maybe hearing it before you say it?
and at that point you could send it too...but it needn't be a phrase or words...i guess it can be images and feelings too. ;) i experienced some weird shit with telepathy and stuff, so for me it's like i kind of have to accept it as real, cuz i experienced it myself.

well of course you could say...you could always say... i am deluded or deluding myself or have pseudohallucinations and mistake them as being telepathic messages... don't really care about that though ;) for example i had heard already the direct thoughts of other people, or what they just said in my head translated into my language.... i was travelling around thailand by that time. 8)

many things that appear being real are fake and many things that appear being fake are real. :P

peace
 
I'm not saying it can't be possible, I'm mainly saying that I have no reason _YET_ to believe in telepathy. If you say you've experienced some telepathy like stuff who would I be to say you didn't, afterall I'm not the one to look inside your mind.
However there have been experiments with people claiming they are telepathic that showed they couldn't be telepathic at will. Does this make it impossible? Not really, but I remain sceptic.
 
Yeah i guess it's better to remain in a sceptic state of mind until you know for sure, that it's real. But anyway what i think is that this is also part of the problem of "sceptics", because it already holds them back to stay in this state of mind, but i don't say it's like that for everyone. Some can handle it better, some don't...like some stay stuck there for a long time, or are too afraid to change their view or perspective of things, despite having seen what is real.

I know also about some experiments and for some experiments the practicing of paranormal activities at will was possible and for some not. One experiment i remember was being made in Russia quite a time ago, and the lady there could move stuff with her mind.

peace 8)
 
trick: What I have noticed, even high on Cannabis, is that psychoactive substances, such as Cannabis, Mushrooms, or other substances, is that they slow down your mind so you precieve more things that are actually happening on a regular basis. These things "bypass" you in "normal reality".When everything is 'slowed' down, and you enter a different reality, which I believe to be "true reality", you start to notice all these odd things happening.

When on a high dose of Mushrooms, you experience "ego death", and from my limited time there, I believe that the Mushrooms are ripping apart all the bullshit 'filters' that let us function in this society. They let you experience 'true reality', as it actually is without these filters. You see everything as it was being seen for the first time. Just as a child is amazed at EVERYTHING it sees, so is a person high on mushrooms. (lol this reminds me on my first high mushroom dose)

Story>>I remember slowly being pulled away from reality by the very powerful force of the mushrooms. There was a plane flying above us. I could hear the sounds of the Jet engines so clearly that I thought it was 2 feet away from me. Me and my friend were staring at it. He too was on a high dose of mushrooms. All my other friend's didn't even notice the plane. We were walking by a house where some very young children were playing on the driveway with their parents. The children too were staring at the plane, just as me and my friend were. With utter amazment we all stared at it. The parents did not seem to notice the plane either. It was a very powerful moment for me. It showed me that children are just like me and my friend, high, or rather in a different realm. It was like me and my friend were brought back to our childhood, and seeing this plane for the first time. It was amazing. This story may mean nothing to you guys, but it means so much to me. I will never forget it.

Anyways, what i'm trying to explain is that when high on some type of mind-expanding drug, you see more things that are happening, casue they are not 'bypassing' you. You are pulled from you 'normal, fast paced, busy life style', to 'a reality where everything is slowed down, beautiful, and the way it should be'. It is truly beautiful, and I think that everyone should experience it after their childhood. You can't really remember your childhood, so when you take these "bad" substances, you are brought back to be beauty of life. You wouldn't beleive how beautiful a water droplet, or a leaf is when in that state. I could stare at a leaf for days if always in that state. I'm sorta glad we have these "filters", or I would be staring at a plant for 4 years, in complete awe. NOTHING would get done. :D

Anyways thats enough typing for me today, sorry for the long post, just in the mood for my next high dose experience, and feel like talking about these types of things. It truly is all beautiful.

LOVE LIFE, PEACE
 
It'd be nice to try and live a little more like that then 1919, like trying to be a little more amazed at the world and a little less filtered.
 
Yeah it would be nice. But what are you going to do? These 'filters' develop when you exit you childhood, and name go to everything. Once everything is named, you have limited everything. Everything now has a limit to what it can be. I don't really think there is a way around it. Once you are subjected to it, you have no choice. You know that is a car, and nothing else. Don't know if any of this make sence, I may not be explaining it right...
 
silv a dit:
I never said I did, however if you're gonna bring solipsism into this discussion I'm hopping out ;)
I choose to believe certain things and others I don't. The human nature is in essence hypocritical and realising this I don't really care about it anymore. Why do I choose to believe the things i can touch/feel/smell/taste/pinch? Because I sure as hell much rather believe my own senses than what another person tells me.

I wouldn't call it solipsism, as it doesn't involve just one person.

I agree that hands-on experience is better than what another person tells you, but don't let other persons tell you that something like telepathy is impossible as well.
 
Sliv: I know exactly where you are comming from, for before my experementation with psychedelics i had a strictly sicentific view point on everything, but one day while talking about some theories about dementions my sicentific view point seem to begin to sound quite hmm whats the word, metaphysical[?] and i started to realize that sicence can not yet explane EVERYTHING, this is when my viewpoint seem to start to fade, and over the course of i want to say a year of shrooming and [well i diddnt know it at the time] psychonaut[ing] my view point changed dramaticly. then after about 30 seconds on google, i realized that i had become a psychonaut, and while googling i found this site and read some threads and joined... lol

sorry for the short storie im not quite sure how the last part is relevent but oh well :)

but untill that trip i was still VERY skepticle of telepathy and ANYTHING paranormal because i hadent experienced, but that experience changed my point of view completly, because sure things like that may happen in everyday life and being under the influence of a psychedelic may make us notice them,but go back and read the actual events, im no mathmatician but the chances of all of thse things happining, within maby a 2 hour period.... very slim.

User1919: Wow, that experience with the children and the plane is quite amazing, my first mushrooms trip consisted of something of the same eg: seeing everything for the first time. That and my first salvia trip taught me that plants are beings to, now when ever im around them i can sence them just as if there were a person standing next to me, and while on any psychoactive psychedelic i can 'feel' their energy when i touch them. and no your explaning it perfect :D i know EXACTLY what you mean..


Oh and what is: solipsism?

Love
 
:lol: hehehe, a plane just flew over...
 
solipsism in a nutshell is the philosophy that only you are real, and that the world and everything you experience is just a fabrication of your mind.
Don't mistake scepticism for non believing though, I'm mainly saying I don't believe it because I haven't seen it but I want to stress that I never want to say never. Everything's possible, it's just how and why :)
 
Before considering whether telepathy can be real or not, it might be a good idea to first consider what are our assumptions about the space between people. Is it a bunch of molecules separated by empty space, a vacuum? According to that assumption, paranormal phenomena, including telepathy, are impossible.

The Science of Oneness, Chapter 02: The aether is pure, conscious oneness
 
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