What is better?... traditional or analog?

[Teonanacapilli]

yea from reading this thread people are doing alot of criticizing and scaring.
we need to help people who want the knowledge not judge them.
Smoked DMT is VERY intense, but we dont have to act all pompous and all knowing just because we think we are doing it for the right reasons and they are not. yes i do what i do to better myself spiritually and to understand the altered states and my subjective experience of the world, but really if someone is doing psychedelics purely for their spirit and not having fun on it AT ALL, then they are the ones who should stop doing it. lying to people on a thread is one thing lying to yourself will come back and get you

Agreed on that note man. Some of us need to PRACTICE the things we learn on psychedelics a lot more than is apparent. Get rid of these stupid macho-man dominator attitudes, SMASH THAT EGO.

It is important to emphasize respect, but some of what I read sounds more like fear-mongering and when you do that, YOU need to get the fuck out of here

 

[magickpsychonaut]

interesting thread, I've been interested in ayahuasca for several months now, but I'm very cautious. Once tried 40g/40g of b caapi and chacruna. Boiled for 6 hours. It was mild, saw skulls and skeletons faintly, felt nausea, but also this inner "voice" in my gut teaching me. Sorry for the typing, bad keyboard. I did feel as if I learned something on an unconscious level.

 

[IJesusChrist]

When a person approaches dmt with a "whoa dude i wanna trip ballz" I personally am going to project my opinion of stay away. That is the area in which people get into alot of trouble. Sure "get the fuck out" isn't the right thing to say, that is the reason I said "not everyone else is going to agree" plainly.

I have my own opinions on DMT apparently, and I've seen what it can do to people who "want to trip ballz" and I don't want to see that again.

Pardon me for being a dick, but there are situations that can handle it and are necessary. Not all psychodelics teach love and harmony, and not all bad trips are solvable. There are real situations where people can get very screwed up from these psychodelics...

So pardon me for expressing my opinion. I forgot I need to be an all-loving humanist 24/7...

 

[HeartCore]

I've recently had the opportunity to partake in a traditional shuar natem (aya) ceremony lead by a guy with over two decades of experience. After this experience, I can't really perceive 'traditional ayahuasca' without such a person present.

 

[EndlessEntity]

even if they are like "omg i wanna trip balls" dmt will make them trip balls, and hopefully they will leave with a new found respect for the plants.
on a lighter note. my uncle was talking to me about his aya ceremonies and how they used special chants to "guide their spirits into other realms"
do any of you guys use said "chants" i'd love to hear about it.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Like I said before, I've seen what DMT can do to somebody who isn't ready, and I don't want that to happen again. I can't imagine ayahuasca to the unaware...

I do chants. I picked this one up along time ago;

Breathe in through nose: I am
Breath out through mouth: One.

This one sedates, calms, and brings great peace...

The faster you chant, the more activity and stimulus you are creating - changing from calm to exploratory. I don't have much experience in chanting while under strong influences besides the one stated above - however when high I tend to chant. It usually reflects where I am, and magnifies my surroundings. i.e. fast drum beat like chants while in the woods is great fun

 

[EndlessEntity]

nice
i have often chanted Buddhist mantras but i would love to learn new chants
later this month my aya ceremony will be held in the woods in crocket texas
there will be several people and many entheogenic substances for the brave to consume (some people aren't ready for the aya but still want to "find themselves")

There will be a great bonfire, hookah's, great music, tents to crash in and many open and awesome people to meet.
The ceremony being held on a friends property out in the middle of the woods and this insures that we won't be bothered by any police or religious or any kind of established authority.

interested? pm me

 

[IJesusChrist]

I wish... You must not be in school? :? I don't know how I feel about school. I really don't.

 

[EndlessEntity]

actually i will start school soon... to help out my mother and family i will be shipped off to boot camp in december.
i will be out at sea for 4 years after trade school.
wish me luck :? at least i get to fulfill my heartfelt desire to see the world. and plenty of time to read books.
im sure after my work and time is done i will be able to retire to a life of experimenting on entheogens and searching my soul while crafting my own universe and cleaving my way through the unkown.
i sleep easy knowing theres people like me out there exploring their consciousness as it is our human inheritance to do so.
trip on psychonauts and be careful

 

[ararat]

out at sea? literally?

 

[IJesusChrist]

aw man, I don't know how I feel about that either! While you are supporting your family, you are also supporting the military :x but good luck friend, I hope it is much more interesting than you hope for You still have a few months of freedom... atleast you'll get to see [everything] pretty soon yeah?

hope aya goes very well

 

[EndlessEntity]

yea. they wanted me to go spec ops, and i was like Noooo wayy.
so im a machinist. i'll just be repairing turbines and shit, so it wont be too bad.
yea im not really pro military but i gotta make money somehow.
yesterday i found out how they dispose of their trash, and its not recycling... it kinda made me want to try to change their trash policy... their policy is .... get 50 miles out and dump it overboard. its sick.