This is what we call life?

[magickmumu]

Somehow mass suicide does not sound like a good solution to me. I wonder why??? :lol:
Dear daytripper.
You can insult me all you want, I don’t care. You don’t know me.

 

[Psychoid]

Just removing money wouldn't solve anything. It's a way of thinking that is needed to change. People always want something in exchange for their time and effort. THIS is the problem. Mutual help: This is the most important thing for a society to be successful, and everyday we see less of it.

And Daytripper, I prefer to hope and fight for something that is not likely to happen, than just giving up and stay home smoking pot all day long and cursing mankind.

Removing USA from earth would be a good start for human evolution

 

[Guest]

but i wasn't insulting you, i was only mocking what your post sounded like. not just your post, but the buffachino's as well. insulting you was to be insulting myself. and i wasn't talking about mass suicide, i was talking about a more massive and instanteneous thing, like an asteroid, like a shot being given to a ill body. but on a final note, don't get utopic: this society is the best that human being can acheive. all of our efforts throughout civilization have merged on this, surely that got to mean something...since the first monkey to stephen hawking, this things we call order, rules, etc, are simply the craving for imortality of the species, aka culture. all human manifestations, IMHO, are caused by fear, namely the fear of death and the fear of power (money included here). western civilization would be, therefore, the denial of one of the first things a psychonaut learns: let go and do not fear death. life is an act and god plays all parts. the ultimate goal of creative thinking is the overcoming of death; living life beyond it's natural end. anyway, these are my personal thoughts.

 

[st.bot.32]

I agree with magickmumu. Its not defeatist at all to have a positive attitude. If there is ever going to be change, people have to see something better. The world needs a positive light right now more than ever, it certainly does not need more bleakness and darkness and chaos. I think we are just too comfortable here in developed nations to really understand just how dark some parts of the world already are.

However, in some ways right now things are the best they have ever been on this planet. Let's look at some of the pros instead of negatives. And I'm not being naive here, I well know that looking at all the positives won't exactly cheer someone up who is really tired of the dehumanizing system we live in. But consider (and there is a point to this list at the end):

--Being gay won't land you some terrible fate
--Women can go to school and get paid(for the first time in the history of humankind...) Oh yeah not to mention that due to advances in medicine now high percentages of women won't die during childbirth. (unlike 100 years ago)
--Diseases are far more under control. We forget what the plagues were like.. ouch. Being an epileptic wont have your parents hiding you in an attic.
--We can communicate our music and art projects on a cross-cultural scale for the first time in history.
--Slavery has all but been abolished in many lands. etc etc.
--In most developed nations women are no longer treated as helpless babymaking decorations
--Freedom to rebel against warmongering governments (the flower generation, etc).
--Quite frankly, it was advances in western science (Hoffman) that led to the discovery of LSD, its initial controlled testing, the study of ethnogens, the synthesis of psilocybin and in many ways the reason we are here. (Its easy to forget that at one time LSD was a symbol of modern science, before it was demonized by religious zealots and the media.) And by the way these studies are resuming (finally after 40 years). Medical marijuana as a side point.

The list could go on and on. The point of this list isnt so much the changes, but that these changes were made INSIDE the system. Change has to come from the inside, invitingly, pullingly, gradually, bit by bit knocking away the old pieces while offering something better. With sometimes a revolution here and there perhaps, although every revolution is alienating and dehumanzing and generally turns hypocritical to its own cause.

Yeah, we have aeons to go. No, we might not make it. But rather than throwing my hands up in the air I'd rather do something positive... even help someone else. A bit at a time. Chip away at the problems on a local scale, in an informed way, not an alienating way. Lead by example.

Funny, if you think about it. Today's arguments for freedom in deveoloped nations are on such a different scale than say in some of those nations only a few hundred years ago, where people were fighting for the right to eat a decent meal and survive. On this board for example, we are "fighting" for the right to experience freedom of consciousness, a pretty alien concept I think to the average joe six pack who wants to protect his kids from dem der drugs.

 

[????????]

To be positive or not... that's a touchy issue for me because I'm the kind of person that these things really get to, like I often think about global warming and such... not like for a minute and then done, no, it affects me in ways I can't control, I don't even know what to do with my career (mechanical engineering) because I don't want to graduate and join the polluting machine that is our current system of gathering resources. I can't stand fascist corrupt lying america and its evil influence on the world and things like that, it ends getting in my mood. But as much as I would like to, I can't be like daytripper and hope for our annihilation, I have to be in the white side and be positive about things because otherwise I would be depressed and wouldn't get out of bed.

p.s: I'll start studying computer engineering next semester..

 

[st.bot.32]

In the short term, is change better affected from within the machine or without? Banners are held up outside an elitist corporate tower but it is the people inside that have to make the final decision (or be made to). If one decided to make change from within will one just stop caring after a while and go with the system? One can't blame people who are frustrated and want nothing to do with it at all! I dont know.. just making overtired rants.

To be positive or not... that's a touchy issue for me because I'm the kind of person that these things really get to, like I often think about global warming and such... not like for a minute and then done, no, it affects me in ways I can't control, I don't even know what to do with my career (mechanical engineering) because I don't want to graduate and join the polluting machine that is our current system of gathering resources. I can't stand fascist corrupt lying america and its evil influence on the world and things like that, it ends getting in my mood. But as much as I would like to, I can't be like daytripper and hope for our annihilation, I have to be in the white side and be positive about things because otherwise I would be depressed and wouldn't get out of bed.

p.s: I'll start studying computer engineering next semester..

 

[GOD]

"a big, nice and cozy asteroid that would turn the earth into a barbecue-party. better yet: a gas that would only kill human beings and leave the rest alone"

Yes and no . Sometimes i think that the only solution to the problems that humans have made would be a catastrophe , maybe a neuclear war wich would kill all humans but nature would survive and start again . But thats not the answer , at the moment scientists are measuring changes in the earths magnetic field wich mean that we are probably going to have another polar change "soon" and besides that that the earths magnetic field is getting weaker and acording to them it will disapear in about 1000 years causing the planet to become just another dead planet like Mars .

"(my English is not that good by the way) "

Bollocks , its good enough , your last 2 posts are genial . I agree , start to think , ask questions and take responsibility for yourself , others and the planet . Never give up trying to help and put things right ........ = At least die smiling !!!!

"You can insult me all you want, I don’t care. You don’t know me."

I`m sure hes not trying to insult you , hes a nice guy realy . What he says might sound a little more than BLACK , but , in a way its true . We are all talking and we , the human race , have been talking for ages and nothing is changeing ........ Just like head in the sand hippys ...... ( just a bunch of middle class scum pretending to be "free" knowing that at the slightest problem that they could fuck off back to mommy and daddy and get their arses stuffed with money ....... Just like Budha .....) The point about poor people is true , they are poor , they were poor and they will continue to be poor . Reality is poverty , untill a person has seen / experienced poverty and understood its realitys they are living in a dream world .

I think . Hope . Pray that there is another way . It seems to me that the ONLY REAL chances that we have are :-

1:- That GOD comes back in his flying saucer and saves the sinking ship .
2:- That a mahdi / messiah is born , walks on the water and heals people .
3:- Another step in evolution , that mankind comes to a point where there is a colective consciousness change , because all the other ways are realy running away from reality...... like buhdism , a sort of "i`m allright jack" and fuck the rest , like a kid closing his eyes and believing that everything has disapeared . And the point is that that change will only come after humanity gets a MEGA kick up the arse , if at all . Just look at the save the earth debates going on at the moment all over the world , every country is saying "after you / you first" and still having a party while the earth is heading for catastrophe .

"Removing USA from earth would be a good start for human evolution"

Halleluja brother !!!! BUT first we wait till Spice and a few others have emigrated !!!!

"civilization"

= syphilisation !!!!

"and god plays all parts."

AAAHHH !!!! Someone has finaly understood me .

"I agree with magickmumu. Its not defeatist at all to have a positive attitude."

You can be as positive as you want SHIT STINKS . And your list of positive changes could be canceled out with a list of negative ones . Humanity is often 1 step forwards and 2 steps back . Nothing has changed in the last 200,000 years except fashion , technology and the scale of global evilness , the people who are in controle are still scum corupted by power . The politics of control are well thought out and practiced . Rich people like being rich and dont give a shit about us . So how can we find a crack in "The wall" and knock it down . People have been brainwashed all their lives and are alowed to have just enough "comfort" that the majority just stick their heads in the sand .

In the mean time "Dont tread on the flowers `cos they`re gona get ya ........"

 

[buffachino]

Furthermore, in response to all of you...
(If you didn’t quite understand it, please re-read my last post in its entirety.)

When I talk about humanity being a macrocosm of cancer, it simply means that we were once an integral, coexistent element of the organism that is the earth, and for the greater part the universe; yet in the course of the sociological and ideological evolution of our species with the gradual autonomous collapse of certain conceptual matrices and unities with nature, the primordial wisdom shaping our species, thus the concomitant intellect that ensues, has been divergently corrupted and is a deformation of our species and the purpose it pertains within the greater entity.

This does not infer however, that we are all bound to remain analogously complacent, nor forced to perpetuate the malignancy of mankind, simply because of the domineering manipulation of collective intent through the fallacy of avaricious historical context; rather, we who have renewed aspects of true humanity, not the cancerous progeny, are the ones which reflect both our place within the infinite cosmos and the true purpose of our existence through exploration not exploitation.

So to call this society truly human or a fundamental quality of humanity would be a mistake; our species, like all things, is not governed by how it appears, but rather by how it operates. Our civilization divergently resembles those who are or were truly human, but we are a deformation of their legacy; like a cancerous cell is a perpetual deformation of a natural cell. We no longer pose symbiotic benefit to ourselves or our environment as a systemic entity; the intent and intellect are not beneficially harmonious to the natural order and synchronicity of our planet or the universe.

In reality, this social structure has already been defeated by its own hand. That is why I called it defeatist to want to remain inside such a system; you cannot hope to aid or abate the malevolent circumstances by reaming a part of the problem itself. This is why we must revive the true state of humanity through those which have woken from the seemingly endless daze of ignorance and dissolution; live given life as reality, rather than given reality as life.

Currency, like history, is an unnatural, impartial medium for control; with the abandonment of the control structure, endeavours for social restructuring would flourish for the benefit of the unity amid all things. This can only occur if the intellectual and generational principles of our race as an element within the global organism are totally reconstructed to the benefit of unanimity within the intrinsic entity.

Neither currency, nor monotonous contempt, is an adherently singular premise from which we can blame all of our discontent; as many have said, money and turmoil are the consequence of the power statute, which unbalances the structure of both society and humanity, resulting in a degenerative variance from the function and intention of sentient life.

It is the fear of divergence from such secure affluence and promoted conformability that drives industrial society’s vicious perpetuation away from nature; although this same fear, through the franchise of our humanity, is the source of ecological corrosion, which gradually consumes the bones of our decaying world.

Any societal amendment is implicitly made from inside the system, for the system, and moreover for the individuals who govern the system. Not for the people or planet.
Every debilitating manipulation is an advance toward further control and fiscal gain for those who dictate the society and its principles. Industry can’t extort further wealth from a peasant population if it is stricken by disease or hunger; so they cure and feed just enough of the populace to squeeze every last ounce of profit from them as possible before they become a financial burden on dictatorial supremacy.

Refrain from neglecting the fact that ‘drugs’ are an industry, illicit or not, just as currency is an industry; both control the supply and demand of a commodity that has no real monetary value other than to those who control their distribution or consume the article of trade.

I totally agree on the exuberance of compassion and love as a necessity, and indeed as qualities which hold in sway the very essence of our humanity. As I stated in my last post, be as you want the future to be. Act unto others as one does to oneself, for in realty, there is no other; ubiquitous reality is just as much a part of ones being as the physical body or aspects of ones mind. We, as facets of the infinite universe, are unique elements of a singular eternal entity. We are the same being; all existence is but one endless organism. We as part of this being have an obligatory responsibility to endeavour for concurrently sustainable and balanced equilibrium with ourselves and surrounding dimensional constituents of our singular, infinite organism.

To say that the currant form of malevolent societal ‘order’ is the epitomic opulence of mankind is a misinterpretation. Just because we converge on this point does not mean that this is the optimum demonstration of humanities possibility; rather it is the complete opposite of this. Order and regulation are two separate entities. Order is a systemic assembly of perceptual points inherent within the structure of the cosmos; when this structure reflects into any facet of being, metaphysical or physical, it can only result in resonant evolution amid the ordered point’s concurrent, spawning endless possibility of further consecutive points. Regulation on the other hand directly dictates control of each point, serving to detrimentally mitigate the possibility of evolution beyond certain congregant points or systems.
Thus, our societal structure over the brief span of human evolution has only been increasingly tainted by the concurrent enforcement of unnaturally hierarchical regulatory control, which in turn, decays the liberties and possibilities of all mankind. This occurs by means of the synthetically founded cultural evolution of the species and the prejudiced indoctrination of the human psyche through the denigration of control, and resultant subservient acceptance of that control.
Infirmity is driven by the inane longing for utter authoritative dominance through power elicited by generations of undignified mental conditioning.
These characteristics are fallacies, are aberrant, and more so superfluous.

So in truth, we cannot simply wait and hope, with any degree of empathy or impunity, that entropic transitive change will emerge unassisted; because the revival of the perceptibly archaic infinitude of our existence won’t evolve or survive from within the repressive society entirely propagated to dictate control over how it does or does not progress for the sole benefit of those with illusory power.

Peace.

 

[magickmumu]

There are people who have experienced more violence, ugliness and injustice than any of us. When I see these people trying to make the best of it, I get a feeling of deep respect.

 

[spice]

Yes, there are such people, and they don't all agree with you.

 

[Meduzz]

yes, someone who doesn't have bread doesn't care for spirituality

it's maslow

 

[Gratefully_dead]

I think I probably missed most of the discussion on school and education and everything but I thought I'd give my two-cents worth anyway

the way I see it school is (inherently at least) a great thing. How else would we learn what we can today? without understanding there can be no peace well knowledge provides understanding for the world around us and the best way for us all to learn this knowledge is to be taught in school. Also all countries with any education system show a stabilizing effect in their social and after time their economics.

The thing about money is that when it comes down to it it's just paper. whther its a five dollar bill or a thousand dollar bill it's still just a piece of paper. I think everyone needs to remember that because society puts so much emphasis on money. You NEED money to survive in life you NEED money to be successful you NEED to be successful because...because....because if you're not successful you're a failure and failures aren't wanted or appreciated in todays culture.

I find when I think about how society works it fills me with dispair because how can we change it? We're so addicted to our comfortable lifestyles that how can we ask people to give up their big spacious gas guzzling SUVs or surrender their favourite T.V. shows or any other luxury we enjoy today. The problem is if we don't give up a lot of these things the world will be fucked hell the world's already fucked I guess that's why a lot of people have given up they think "well it's too bad we didn't realize this sooner but we're already screwed so lets just keep screwing ourselves because damn it feels good"

I think as humanity not just one nationality or religion but as a whole we need to step back and look subjectively at what we're doing to ourselves, nature and the world as a whole then I think we need to decide what needs to change and we actually need to DO it! of course this will never happen at least not as long as people have opposing viewpoints and certainly not as long as so much emphasis is put on self-gratification.

Will our Earth ever heal? Of course it will. The question isn't whether the world will still be here in a couple millenia the question is more will humans still be around? Even if we just keep getting more polluting and more destructive the world will find ways to cope. It will learn to compensate for anything we do however in doing so many things will change and the new world might not be able to support human life, certainly not in the current manner we live it anyway.

Phew all that said (and I apologize im sure many of that's been stated before in this thread) I'm still unsure of what I want to do in life part of me wants to just say fuck it and go live in a cabin somewhere in the wilderness hahaha I don't really think that'll happen though more likely I'll go to school for an environment science I've always loved being in nature and I think I'd love to study it maybe an ecology course or something although something in the botany field also seems enjoyable to me. I really don't know what I want to do with my life there are so many options and whenever I think of a certain occupation I can see myself doing almost anything the trick will be to find something that I love doing...

sorry for the long post PEACE :heart:

 

[st.bot.32]

The world, external reality, whatever you want to call it, passes through our senses. Then it is subjected to the filter of our belief systems. If one sees only the negatives, that will become the way one interprets the world and it will continue to self-reinforce. Despair just breeds more despair and then one begins finding reasons for the despair (and there will be plenty of them) and it spirals on and on. It's not much different than a bad trip.

I've met people who have been through far harder times than I can imagine and it was a positive attitude that kept them alive. Admittedly, it sounds really easy on paper, it is not. It's bloody hard to keep yourself happy and afloat usually. But if you look for positives in the world around you every day, or more learn how and where to look.. you will be constantly surprised. I want my attitude to be constructive, not defeatist, not alienating in a world that has more than enough darkness in it already. Magnify the good things, not the bad, evil doesn't need any help.

And yes I think learning about the world around you, educating yourself, being curious is one of the best attitudes possible to have. Be like a child where everything is new. Then nothing can faze you (too badly)... ever.

On average every 60 million years or so all higher life forms on this planet are obliterated in a major asteroid strike. Maybe we will survive the next one, maybe we wont. I'd much rather we did, it is far too early to judge our species as a whole as worthy of life or death. Until we can compare our development with that of other intelligent species in the universe, we really have no point of reference for how good or bad we are doing anyway.

---

off topic its snowing like crazy here this morning. I saw a girl fall down on her bike in an intersection, complete wipeout, kapow!. She was climing up, dusting herself off (just shaken, not too hurt). A black minivan pulls up right behind her at the intersection.. the guy in the minivan decides to act like a P. O. S. and while she is still collecting herself, he is literally so impatient that he was practically pushing her out into the intersection, honking his horn and driving forwards. then he stopped the van ahead of her, got out and started swearing a strip off at her. i got so fucking angry i started walking over but by the time i got there he had gotten back in his van and was driving away. geez.
:evil:

 

[spice]

You seem to have a nice optimistic attitude overall, so I am going to respect that. I felt a bit more optimistic when I was in Canada, too...but it's about balance, man. No one said 'see only the negative'... thats as bad, but NOT worse than, seeing only the positive. There is a difference between having a good attitude and being delusional.

When Tim Leary gave his famed advice to 'Turn on, tune in, drop out', this wasn't just a cool sounding catch phrase that someone convinced him to pitch, no, it is a conceptualization founded by a man who had already played the game, at Harvard, and saw it for what it was; shallow and weak. He realized that the tribal roots of mankind were being obliterated in a fake 'plastic' reality tunnel, one created to do EXACTLY what it was doing, dominating.
After a certain point, optimism and hope is taken as weakness and cowardice. Here is where we have all fucked it up, to date, by not standing up to the machine, en masse, the way chenge is always birthed, by the will of the collected masses.

Something so simple, yet so difficult, all because no one wants to endure a little hardship for so much gain.

 

[st.bot.32]

I agree with your post entirely, and thanks for the response.

Optimism.. Fair enough.. I grew up in a very religious household, surrounded by people who were so optimistic man's future (Oh God will solve all our problems) to the point that they became blind to the suffering of others around them. I actually can't say I'm overly optimistic at all actually. The earth could be a scorched wasteland in 100 years, who knows. But I don't think waiting for some disaster or rapture is a solution to problems, none of us really knows the future, and we are here in the now. If you think it is useless and humanity is evil and doomed, then the machine wins. Too often when thinking about these large-scale human issues it's easy to adopt a dehumanizing attitude, forgetting that on the small scale people everywhere are human beings with their own consciousness, thoughts and emotions, and they are trying to get by, and sometimes they are actually quite approachable (within certain boundaries/conditions).

(Off topic I appreciate the Leary reference, He actually had some quite profound things to say and is bashed a bit too much these days (a la daniel pinchbeck etc).)

 

[Guest]

you make "the machine" look something evil, that will take our souls away, and feast on your dead body. maybe it will. but "the machine" is made everyday by us. you use the internet, don't you ? aren't you feeding the machine ? what about food ? do you grow your own, in a pollution and goverment-free terrain ? did you attended/attend school ? what about healthcare ? do you have a car ?
as you may see, i might sit confortably in my leather chair and say : "i hate the machine. from now on, i'll be positive and turn a blind eye on the problems", while i rub my hands, but again, you maybe want to do something to help other people. that's ok for me.
but i guess many of you lose the bigger picture: it doesn't matter if you are positive or negative, the things are as they are, and even though we can do something in a small scale, we can only hope for a better future. many of you have high hopes for the future, and i respect that. i don't think the future will be too bright. again, i don't think that the future matters, because we are constantly losing our capacity to concentrate in the present and fight today's problems. and even though this is a psychonaut forum and drugs are defended by many, i really think that are more serious problems in the world besides the legallization of pot or the ban of cubensis. they would help people to get the message, but let's face it: a small, small minority tries them (cubensis) or just want to have a good time (MJ). i really think that is the main problem. we always want to have a good time, and if we are positive enough so our future is also very bright and shiny, better yet! that is probably the only way to bury the head in the sand until the storm goes away. the problem is if a lightning hits you right in the arse because you were too scared and minding you own happiness, and you didn't prepared for the worst-case-scenario.
and i really disagree with the theory of "we were once in beautiful synergy with the earth, then, mysteriously, while the princess was catching flowers, everything changed and we invented the press, and the steam-engine, and then the plastic". we are what we are, and denying this is fooling ourselves, so we cannot see it. we have not turned to the darkside, because we have always been like this, but without the tecynology. but then again, buffachino, i ask you kindly to present proof of this mysterious turn in human evolution. when was it ? middle ages ? the greeks ? egiptians ? sumerians ? neolithic ? perhaps it was Lucy all along that destroyed us and invented the internet. i really think this is the problem with this thread: we try to blame someone, and then, we say: "now let's solve this thing". and then you answer: "i am quite positive that this will be solved". then, you don't say how, or if you say so, it is hilarious hypothesis that, in the best case, will mask the problem. you just don't want to see the root of things, we. i can keep an optimist opinion that my dog won't die, and that he will live forever and ever in the afterlife. meanwhile, i am wasting time that i could live with him, cuddling, playing and teaching.

 

[????????]

you reminded me of a thought I had...

yeah I'm not comfortable when the blame is put on us, like we derailed and somehow went wrong, because we are actually doing what we do best; haven't we evolved to be the top of the tops, with our tool managing and overall better intelligence? we didn't get this all wrapped up in a gift, we came to the now through hard work and incredible abilities that we developed, the thing is maybe we are too good at what we do, and now we are running out of fuel.

we are like the best and the worse that's happened to this planet.

 

[magickmumu]

Yes, there are such people, and they don't all agree with you.

They don’t have to. why??

I respect Tim Leary and love his books. He was a man who said: question authority and think for yourself. When he talked about turn on tune in and drop out, he talked about dropping out of your own ego games. He talked about dropping out of the fake TV studio stage.

There is a lot of talk about masses. Masses are made up of individuals. Society’s and cultures are made up of individuals. I don’t see the world in a us vs them kind of way.
I don’t care if people don’t agree with me. But I don’t like to be insulted.
You have the right to feel depressed. If you choose to be depressed and feel bad, that’s fine.
I choose to make the best of it.

By the way. Anti depressants medicines are polluting the oceans. There is so much of the stuff in the water, it´s fckng up the whole eco system.

 

[st.bot.32]

Hi Daytripper,

Perhaps we are coming to somewhat compatible conclusions? But by different paths... I totally agree that human beings come from incredibly dark roots. The first tools were things that killed. Throughout history humans have largely inflicted pain and death on those they dislike. Even in the 19th century war was the honorable art. Empires were forged by murdering natives and destroying their cultures around the globe and then fighting "honorably" over these "new" lands. Had we been born a couple hundred years ago, we might have a life expectancy of 35-40 years, know nothing of the world around us and slave as a surf for a king or master without any "workers rights" until we dropped dead. Then we had the industrial revolution, perhaps the true beginning of the modern "machine". Humans found themselves instead slaving for corporate empires in assembly lines. And the unions, who initially fought for the right to not lose their fingers or fall off ladders because companies were so cheap that they treated their employees like expendable waste.

The thing is, I feel I somewhat disagree with your interpretation of the machine. The more fundamental structures that are in place exist out of pure necessity, eg. buying food is not necessarily supporting a structure of evil. Not everyone can grow their own food. Not everyone can be a doctor who heals. Not everyone can be a musician. This is simply the basis of any society where.. ideally people work in symbiotic roles, hopefully benefiting each other and achieving some happiness out of life.

I think the machine is partly the social structures in place that dehumanize, and more importantly the cronies who follow along. And hence I can buy a disposable plastic bottle of water for $1.50 from Fiji while the natives there are dying from drinking contaminated water, and the masses here won't do anything. It is easier for them not to, and the social structure absolves them of feelings of responsibility and guilt (also a few of them here are making a buck off of it).

To me being "positive" is about believing that the human race can achieve better, should achieve better. Having disgust for this society is absolutely, totally justified, but I don't see how say for example abandoning society would improve things, it is alienating and will not inspire change in the masses. Societal change generally occurs over generations. Look how long it has taken for environmental awareness. As for some apocalypse, it might not come for a long time, we don't know the future.

Hence I feel it is better to make use of the here and now. Use it to the fullest and use it to help others as you can.

 

[buffachino]

Dear daytripper,

You seem to deny the fact that you still have a conscious choice to change, and how to utilize that change, just as there was a concomitant choice to arbitrarily evolve into the state humanity is in now. It is fictitious to presume that we have and always will be a removed static entity that cannot learn and evolve from its actions. In believing this, you ignore the very nature of life itself. This is your and for some extent humanities denial, not natures, and this denial is part of why change does not occur for the symbiotic benefit of coexistent evolution. Because one untruly believes that he will constantly be the same and cannot evolve in any aspect of himself because of his nature; rather than realising his nature is to evolve. This is the prime fallacy of mankind. That you have become removed from the very nature of existence; to constantly and symbiotically evolve into a facet of being that is greater and more novel. If this was not the case, and we were and always will be a concurrent detriment to ourselves and our surroundings, then I must ask how anything got this far at all. If all nature shares this attribute with us, for we as a part of nature share our traits with nature; then how has nature survived its own malevolence that seems to be so inherent within humanity regardless of evolutionary stature?
This is because we are a divergence, a deformation of this true purpose to synchronously and beneficially transform. And rather than change ourselves, we have changed the qualities of our contiguous natural environment through the invention and progression of our subservient technology. We no longer exist in evolutionary symbiosis with nature, for we now feed from nature to further enhance our own detached, malignant evolution; just like a tumour feeds from a diseased body. So we are in fact digging our own graves with the aid of our destructive tools, and in so doing, it cannot be said that we have always been destined for malevolence because of our nature; for nature itself shows that this is untrue.

And I struggle to comprehend the reasoning behind your request for proof about the exact turning point of humanities purity; that’s like asking when any experience truly begins, which is impossible, because all existence is one infinitely constant event. Causality is a myth which I would have surmised that a psychonaut such as you had already overcome. But to answer your question, one must simply look at the nature of present humanity to discern that divergence; yet the question is more about how than when, about what occurred than why it did; for previous experience does not hold lease on the possibility of a subsequent experience or evolution. In truth, it is our evolution that has caused such a divergence; evolution cannot be identified as good or evil, it is a constant. In so much, the evolution of mankind has simply taken a path to which great duality in the ineptitude of our physical existence has defiled our synchronous evolutionary possibility with that of nature. We, through the need for technology and intermediary between ourselves and change itself has become the vehicle for our demise. We do not learn from our mistakes, but simply create new ways to ignore and dominate them. In so much we become more and more destructive without caring or acknowledging the reality of what is causing the destruction. Our technology and thus our contradictory evolution into the void of malignancy is in fact the gateway to our failure and the transportation away from the true nature of existence.


So the blame is in fact on us for continuing along the path toward ignorance and destruction. We ignore the reason behind why we do as we do in the fallacy of passing it off as our nature and thus inevitable. This denotes any further chance for beneficial evolution because the people only want to mask their problems with more problems. If one was to just wallow within this mess, however entertaining, with utter compassion and humility or complete cynical contempt, nothing gets solved and everything gets worse. They insult the constituent parts of their humanity by creating and maintaining a race that itself cannot see the direction to which it is heading or the nature of its origin. It simply and blindly continues to consume itself in the hypocritically unsung hope that something will meticulously change without its own arbitration, or in the melancholy ignorance that it cannot because we have and always will be a malicious and hideous part of reality that is in fact a normal part of nature, when nature itself does not reflect this and proves it to be untrue.

Peace.