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[Jakobien]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

that is true, though a bigger dose will last longer in most cases, or keep you at a peak level much longer. some people may not enjoy that.

its up to everyone what they do. im trying to get the point accross that setting is very important and a lot of people are fairly aware of how mind set influences theire experience but forget about the setting

 

[Jakobien]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

that is true, though a bigger dose will last longer in most cases, or keep you at a peak level much longer. some people may not enjoy that.

its up to everyone what they do. im trying to get the point accross that setting is very important and a lot of people are fairly aware of how mind set influences theire experience but forget about the setting

Absolutely setting is essential.

But what exactly is so special about tripping for a longer time, doesn't your brain/consciousness/body get a little tired of the trip? I did a 5 gr dried recently and would say it's hard work...

 

[silv]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

that is true, though a bigger dose will last longer in most cases, or keep you at a peak level much longer. some people may not enjoy that.

its up to everyone what they do. im trying to get the point accross that setting is very important and a lot of people are fairly aware of how mind set influences theire experience but forget about the setting

Absolutely setting is essential.

But what exactly is so special about tripping for a longer time, doesn't your brain/consciousness/body get a little tired of the trip? I did a 5 gr dried recently and would say it's hard work...

I'll second that, mainly mentally it's hard work.

 

[magickmumu]

Setting is very important. Don't worry about me, I will take care.
I always tell people about how important setting is. I know people who did mushrooms and LSD in trains and walking around the city. These people did,t have a bad trip or any problems. However I would never think of tripping like that.

I usually trip at home and at night. Sometimes alone, sometimes with friends.
My home is open to friends who want to trip.

Some people I know never ate mushrooms again after they experienced there first bad trip.
They turned off for ever, and lost there love for mushrooms.
They where party users. They where not psychonauts.
Some guy I met at a party told me he killed a cat on LSD once.

Safe tripping. And Drugless you can not take responsibility for someone else.
It's good to put put a warning. But some people will never learn.

 

[Psychoid]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

that is true, though a bigger dose will last longer in most cases, or keep you at a peak level much longer. some people may not enjoy that.

its up to everyone what they do. im trying to get the point accross that setting is very important and a lot of people are fairly aware of how mind set influences theire experience but forget about the setting

Absolutely setting is essential.

But what exactly is so special about tripping for a longer time, doesn't your brain/consciousness/body get a little tired of the trip? I did a 5 gr dried recently and would say it's hard work...

I'll second that, mainly mentally it's hard work.

I'll third that, I did my first "heroic" dose (5-5.5g dried) not so long ago and found it pretty exhausting mentally, but physically, not at all.

 

[st.bot.32]

I'm fairly lightweight when it comes to an effective dose I think. I definitely want to try 5 grams at some point when I can be alone for an evening.. but for right now I have to manage what I know I can handle, and what I can get out of it.

I took ~3g recently, have done 3g before but this was far stronger.. came up very fast, straight into a "bad trip" where the real world kind of faded out and I was pretty much unable to move.. just watching a fractal mandala cross section of waves of negative emotions.. I was able to get on with the evening and even really enjoy the rest of the trip (I kind of got euphoric after the peak, and then I started seeing the world in slow motion)..

 

[Forkbender]

druglessdouglas has converted me. I'm definitely upping the dose a bit to a lot the next time. 5 grams works for me a lot of the times, but it is always easy on the mind. I've tried 8 without problems and next time I'm aiming for 12 grams. Work my way up from there.

GOD, is growing P. Cyanescens really that easy? I always understood it was very picky of its environment... Or is this false information for market protection?

 

[GOD]

A big dose puts you "there" a bit quiker than a smaller dose , its more intense and it lasts longer . P.Cubensis is one of the weakest Psilocybe mushrooms and there is more bulk to eat to get a dose . Its also said by many people that it causes nausia and / or stomach problems . Drugless is not talking about P.Cubensis , hes talking about P.Semilanceata wich is much stronger . 5 gramms of P.Cubensis is not a heroic dose its a very bulky mouse fart . Try Semilanceata in a tea . 1 gram is a no problems dose for beginners 5 - 10 gramms is a good dose although some people experience confusion between 5 and 10 gramms . If you take 15 - 30 you get catapulted into a decent trip and dont have time to think yourself into a bad one as is so easy with small doses . Realy big doses are heroic , you have to say goodbye to the world and get it down your neck . If you arent a bit aprehensive you are not normal . I think Drugless explained about set and setting well , and i think its what most of you need to learn . You should also forget about uncle terry , if you dont he will effect your set and setting and end up having his trip .

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

the only way i have discovered in 20 years of taking mushrooms to make them stronger is to take more nushrooms.

i have taken at least 1500 trips. almost all over 10 grams of dried mushrooms
many over 50 grams of dried mushrooms.
several over 80 grams.at least once OVER 100 grams
thats mexican mushrooms, thai, hawaiian and Psilocybe semilanceata

I do not know why is so important how much psydelic U have used? This isn't offending saying. Only side observation. Where would everything go on this forum if everyone start to count and paste numbers of psydelic XP. Bad for health and competitive! U in fact produce competitive urge in some members! And they will use as much they can to place numbers for some stranger! Think bout that. Nice? I say no.

Also, shroom using in room or in some alone place with nobody with U is very good therapy! For someone yes, for other hell with psychic bad tripping effects. I have some days ago used lonesome 4 grams of dry shrooms. Disappointed with effects. Not even close to the gates which I am running for. Stupid yes! But I feel that doors will open someday. Couple of times very close my being has been! But not enough. Of what? Du not know? More dose, or preparations, or "loving" by nature wisdom? Really du not know.

But that trip showed me what I need to do, where I am making mistakes, who are my friends and who are my "foes". Opened way to clear thoughts and living that thoughts. Bad thing is, what we all XP, that 80% of those plans-advices-turnings in next minutes of life are forgotten! True, isn't it?

And what bout psychosis? Someone is predisposed to live that world and such soul to carry. Shrooms are only catalyst with accelerating powers. It's better to start psychotic before some point of time then after. Before U can straight your life and catch ropes of "destiny". Also younger people XP psychosis on shrooms-Alica-mescal-DD. If U are younger psychstorm can be easily overtaken to controlled madness.

P.S. I du not know what has happened to me after couple of DMT voyages??? Everything is only joke!!! No confusion, broken thoughts, everything what we XP on psydelic. Also I wonder? Will I travel on shrooms ever again as I travel before? Tried so hard but in the end doesn't matter! Shrooms are perceptive clarity and purification "tool".

 

[Forkbender]

^Well, he's not really measuring his dick against those of other members, he just shows that he got the experience to back up his claims.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Isn't it that the ration dose - effect of many psychedelic drugs is a curve...? In the sense that there is not much of a difference between a high dose (maybe a heroic dose) and a super high dose?

I've always thought this is the case with LSD, and mushrooms as well.

that is true, though a bigger dose will last longer in most cases, or keep you at a peak level much longer. some people may not enjoy that.

its up to everyone what they do. im trying to get the point accross that setting is very important and a lot of people are fairly aware of how mind set influences theire experience but forget about the setting

Absolutely setting is essential.

But what exactly is so special about tripping for a longer time, doesn't your brain/consciousness/body get a little tired of the trip? I did a 5 gr dried recently and would say it's hard work...

I'll second that, mainly mentally it's hard work.

i disagree

 

[Forkbender]

^+1

Finishing a thesis, that is hard work.

 

[druglessdouglas]

i also think some of you didnt actually read what i wrote. you know, the bits about them not being for everyone, and those with psychiatric disorders avoiding them, and lost friends, you know, that sort of thing. ive never encouraged anyone to take psychadelics because i know the reality of them.
if you want to project your competative nature or neurosis onto me then its you im talking about.

this is the mushroom section. i know mushrooms
whats the problem?

where i live mushrooms are part of growing up. part of the culture.

 

[st.bot.32]

If you take 15 - 30 you get catapulted into a decent trip and dont have time to think yourself into a bad one as is so easy with small doses .

interesting, when i think about my last few trips.

i'm just guessing that this trip must easily start equaling the length of a good acid trip.

i know people who have done around these kinds of dosages but in a more recreational way--with the ingestion spread out over an evening. very different effect i suppose

 

[GOD]

Tim Leary didnt fuck around with mini doses of LSD it was 250 mics . Neither do the people that do therapys with Psilocybin . The dose might not be as big as the ones Drugless is talking about but they are bigger than what most people here are talking about . And they are pure chemicals so they come on faster and harder = better .

 

[magickmumu]

We are talking dose here, but there also is intention.
We are all different. Our trips tripping style are different.
What separates the psychonauts from the hedonistic users is intention.
I have nothing against hedonism I enjoy my trip, but I tend to take my tripping more serious then just fun.

Most people on this forum are psychonauts.
Some are just beginning (like me 6 years). Everybody learns on there own terms.

I don't encourage people to take psychedelics. I think people should figure out for themselves.
If someone is completely psychotic I would not recommend it.
What Drugless wrote about his friend who set himself on fire shocked me.
I agree, we should not underestimate what people are capable of.
Suicide is what made the Dutch government question the mushroom.

On the other hand there are a lot more non psychedelic psychotics in the world today.
Psychedelics may not be for everybody. But it´s a medicine to a lot of people.
Not everybody is psychotic, and a lot of people know how to deal with psychedelics.

When you take mushrooms for the first time, it´s safer to do it with someone who already has some experience.
Maybe if people would be guided by proper guides there would be fewer psychotic breakdowns.

Drugless what do you think should/could be done about psychotics breakdowns on psychedelics :?: :?: :?:

 

[GOD]

Education , set , setting , sitter .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Education , set , setting , sitter .

Indeed.
I never actually ate P.Semilanceata, but I got a little bag from someone a couple of weeks ago. Will try them as soon as I can and observe my stomach.

Does anyone know what Psilocybe cubensis fibre consists of? Is it a starch? Does it contain protein? Undigestible fibre? Any biologists around who could answer these questions?

 

[magickmumu]

Education , set , setting , sitter .

If by a sitter you mean someone who stays sober, that´s fine.
But I think it´s better for the sitter or guide to be on the same level as the person he is guiding.
Or take a lesser dose.
I know maybe some of you don´t agree. I had a discussion over this with a friend.