The Now

[buffachino]

The thing with you enivid is that what you say may be correct in principle, but the way in which you say it, and the reason behind saying it at all, seem to pertain that you are attempting to convince yourself. If you really understood what you are attempting to convey, you wouldn’t say anything at all.

By being some kind of evangelist, you transform a significant perspective on reality into a vague expression of its inherent meaning, which in turn has a conflicting effect to that which you intended.

Don’t twist understanding into an esoteric phenomenon.

You’ll ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[BrainEater]

Well put buffachino!!.... In my opinion confusion isn't necessarily bad, but in some cases it is, because then people start to make their "ego-fights" or "ego-masturbations" or whatever ego shit, just because they can't change their opinion or perspective about somethin or they don't want to...

(talkin' of the people involved in discussions where such confusion has taken root...)


peace!

 

[Forkbender]

You can't have truth without delusion.

 

[BrainEater]

You can't have delusion without truth.

 

[GOD]

"You can't have truth without delusion."

I dont understand that . I dont understand the conection , can you please explain ? For me true is true and not true is not neseserily delusion .

 

[Forkbender]

You are talking about truth as some static system where there are two options: true or not-true. I am talking about personal development, delusion is a necessary step to truth (from the subjective standpoint).

 

[GOD]

If there are no facts nothing can be true and words cant have definitions . If everything is subjective doesnt it mean that you dont realy exist exept in your fantasy , and if thats true how can something that doesnt exist have fantasys . The fact that i am experiencing something proves that i exist . I couldnt experience me if i didnt factualy exist . = its an objective fact . Everything else is something i experience = its subjective . Or ?

 

[Forkbender]

What do you mean?

 

[GOD]

I mean philosiphers talking about semantics is like a dog chasing its tail . Thats why philosiphers get laughed at so often , because they can never come to a point they just keep talking .

Leary would say stop talking and experience .

Chinese philosophy says :- The more talking and thinking ( = philosophising !!!! ) the farther from the truth .

 

[Forkbender]

Well, yes and no. If you look at the history of philosophy there is a current that is very practical and one that is 'talking and thinking'. It is a matter of seeing which is which and choose carefully.

 

[GOD]

"Well yes and no"

Proves what i just said !!! When philosiphers are talking about semantics they have dificulty coming to a decision / a conclusion and just keep talking themselves in circles .

I always thought that philosophy had 2 sensible sides = Studying actual philosophys and studying the history of philosophy/s , and the side thats so stupid , the one that argues about semantics ???

 

[Forkbender]

No. You only prove your own point by holding fast to your own definitions. My former posts were ment to show that philosophy is more than just dogs chasing there own tails. It is a tool for getting to know you're a silly dog chasing your own tail and transcending it, for questioning authority. Arguing about semantics is a step on the way to wisdom. =You have to make mistakes to learn.

 

[GOD]

Thank you for helping me to my 400th post in one week .

If i / you didnt hold fast to our own definitions we couldnt talk to eachother .

I understood that philosophy is more than you chasing your own tail , but part of it often is . Monty python talkes about it a lot ........ because its very funny ..... and its pointless .

Philosophy has been around for thousands of years so if its a tool for them to transcend their own tails and it works when is it going to work and end the semantic debates ? And when are they going to make enough mistakes to learn ? Attaining wisdom would mean to me to stop endless debating about semantics . So that would imply that philosophers arent wise and philosophising is not a wise thing to do .

 

[Forkbender]

I don't negate the fact that a lot of philosophy is chasing its own tail. And there are a lot of philosophers who don't argue about semantics or that show a way out of these discussions. Philosophy used to work a lot better before the Christians got a hold of it. And a lot better as well than in modernity in which it has indeed been a chasing of tail. Since Descartes philosophy is something of the mind instead of a way of living, and it is precisely this way of living that brought philosophy to life in Ancient Greece.

I know there is a lot of shit within philosophy. But that doesn't mean that it is worthless, or that it doesn't work. It works perfectly, once you notice how. It is like a trip. If you use philosophy to carress you own ego, it won't work. Or it will work, but only make you a bigot. True intentions deliver true wisdom. The hardest part about philosophy is to actually do it instead of just talking about it.

Holding fast onto our definitions is somewhat of a presumption of any discussion, but only to a certain extent. You will have to question some things and stick to others. Otherwise it wouldn't be much of a discussion, just 2 monologues fighting for appraisal.

 

[GOD]

401 .

We agree with each other...... mostly . But back to the part of philosophy thats chasing its own tail still arguing about semantics . That part proves those philosophers that do it arnt wise and what they do isnt wise . So why doesnt the part of philosophy that sees that tell them to shut up and grow up ???? If its because that would mean joinig the debate would be also talking about semantics why doesnt the rest of philosophy out them , drop them and shove them off into a corner ?


Can you tell that i`m bored ? Hopefully Caduceus lands soon and fixes our thread so we can get on with something that interests me more than talking crap .

 

[Forkbender]

There are reasons why philosophy is in a state of delusion.

It is part of the road to wisdom.

Some people just stay in the delusional state, because they think they find truth there. Some people don't and move on.

I'm sorry you're bored.

Here's a teaser: "Where there are 2 dogs fighting for a bone, the third walks away with it" (Dutch expression). Let's be the third dog.

 

[GOD]

Woof ................. = yes .

 

[druglessdouglas]

A BOX OF FROGS
THE SOUND
AS A MIND CAVES IN

 

[BrainEater]

only the wise speak wisely about wisdom.


peace :weedman:

 

[GOD]

Wise people shut their gobs........woof .