Some drugs are better than others.

[phatass]

Yes some drugs are better than others... but its mostly a matter of opinion.. e.g. MDMA is better than speed...

 

[Forkbender]

Only 3 (!) percent get hooked after trying it

You know, I just remembered Homo Faber ( by Max Frisch). Must read by the way. Anyway, the thought is, if I had 100 lives, I would lose only 3, according to your statistic. But how can you tell that you are not in these 3 percent? You can't. And if you ARE, you are fucked. What can you tell to someone who got hooked? "Well, you are just a minority, you had a 97% chance that you would get out but well, you had bad luck." That's why this statistic is irrelevant if you think of trying it out...

That would be true if it was only a matter of chance. What seems to be the case is that the 3 percent that gets hooked is in a situation where they don't see any point in living their life without drugs, they have no options of doing something they believe is good and worthwile, through lack of talent or education.

I don't think I would get addicted, because I like to experience pain every now and then. It teaches me more than blocking myself off from external stimuli.

 

[restin]

Yes, but I think there are a lot of forces making you addicted or not. There are people who just tend to get addicted faster then others, or people that are ""weak"" or that are suppressing a problem and don't realize it etc. etc.

You know your body and mind, I believe you that you wouldn't get addicted but there are a lot of people that just don't know. People like me :wink: I can't say if I would get hooked or not.

 

[Brugmansia]

The reason why I personally believe people get addicted to cocaine is because they have a lack of believe in other paths to experience true life with it's bliss.

I found it easy to control as well because the mind effects are utterly minor. It primairly swells the ego and every performance which requires mental or physical energy is enhanced with smoothness.

Euphoric? Doesn't come even close to some good weed, gained imagination and headphones on.

But it may come across as the ultimate state of being by people who have a narrow-life platform and the inability to grow into passion.

In fact, groups with risks are individuals who're depending on acknowledgement for their outer projection gained around their self awareness. And those who's life depends mostly on being surrounded by other individuals. It is no wonder that Coke makes many victims in Hollywood.

 

[Forkbender]

Yes, but I think there are a lot of forces making you addicted or not. There are people who just tend to get addicted faster then others, or people that are ""weak"" or that are suppressing a problem and don't realize it etc. etc.

You know your body and mind, I believe you that you wouldn't get addicted but there are a lot of people that just don't know. People like me :wink: I can't say if I would get hooked or not.

I think the divisive property people have that makes the distinction between being sensitive to addiction and not insensitive to it is the ability to want to learn from experience and on a deeper level the ability to love.

 

[Brugmansia]

I once saw two demons. Me, on the piece of a blotter taken on a usual Saturday out and a weed joint with nicotine, stumbeled into an atmosphere at a home party, where people watched TV with lots of beer and coke on the table. Later that night, when they runned out of coke, their behaviour became visible in a scenario which frighted me.

It is pretty much interesting to observe narrow-minded drugs users (incl. drunk people) with opened doors yourself at a manageable level, it makes you wonder...

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The reason why I personally believe people get addicted to cocaine is because they have a lack of believe in other paths to experience true life with it's bliss.

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But it may come across as the ultimate state of being by people who have a narrow-life platform and the inability to grow into passion.

In fact, groups with risks are individuals who're depending on acknowledgement for their outer projection gained around their self awareness. And those who's life depends mostly on being surrounded by other individuals. It is no wonder that Coke makes many victims in Hollywood.

Interesting observations.

It is pretty much interesting to observe narrow-minded drugs users (incl. drunk people) with opened doors yourself at a manageable level, it makes you wonder...

That may be one of the mechanisms behind psychedelics' ability to break people's addictions to such drugs.

 

[CroakingCridler]

I've read quite a bit about most drugs (not much about the really random chemicals). When William S Burroughs talks about Heroin (not in his fiction) he says it's nearly impossible to get off, and even when you quit your not really off it because you always want some, even if its just that tiny place within you that needs to have it. Plus there is the thing about the experience being so good you only need to stare at your foot to enjoy yourself. Personally, I'm not into drug experiences for just having a good time and feeling nice... I am also a very neurotic person who finds it next to impossible to stop anything including tapping my pocket to see if my wallet is still there or going back and checking my door (I'm completely sober, that has nothing to do with drug use) but just the knowledge of the physical addiction, withdrawl causing pins and needles and horrible images is enough to turn me off no matter what benefits might be involved. Also the whole if you haven't tried it you can't really say arguement doesn't really fly because for one thing if I get thoroughly addicted it might lead to me not trying a million other things in life, due to my need and lack of money (which is already an issue) plus there is a ton of other things not in the vein of drugs which I wouldn't necessarily try (/won't necessarily try just by chance).

This is not at all meant to be degratory to anyone interested in Heroin because I also believe some people are naturally interested in some things whereas some people aren't... it would be like saying to all heroin addicts why don't you become addicted to sweets and mcdonalds? because to some people those things are the shit. That's a bad comparison, but the connection is between the innitial intake, someone making a conscious descision to love candy and eat tons every day or someone deciding to do heroin. Sure some people can do it, but do we wan't the whole world on heroin? What i mean by that is, do we want the whole world collectively doing anything?

 

[silv]

Only thing I might be able to add (and by the looks of it, mostly considering mary jane) is: Drugs ain't toys, none of them.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Only thing I might be able to add (and by the looks of it, mostly considering mary jane) is: Drugs ain't toys, none of them.

i do enjoy making little models from black hash though. its very satisfying

 

[Forkbender]

^Can you make a skull shaped chunk for me?

 

[druglessdouglas]

^Can you make a skull shaped chunk for me?

i wish i could. ive pretty much stopped smoking hash because any about at the moment is frankly piss. it smells like a burning tv set. im living in a drug-free zone at the moment

 

[thrashpsychonaut]

I put tried them all but there's still a couple I haven't done...

PCP
a few of the RC's, although I've done a good 20 or so.

 

[Brugmansia]

The stigma on dissociatives is overestimated IMHO. They share many magical properties with psychedelics, but they lack a guided path and are more unpreditable with what they represent and when. Realms with, and without purpose, and anything but symmetrical. It often lacks a total message, just visual content. If you search and think over and over again about what the reflection could be, you'll forget your very own self in the end. A simple rule, but hard to do if you have been in a tomb in where you can't take any treasures back to here. But you can get in anytime...

The acceptance of being forced to give it out of hands is more striking, head backwards, cut! Witness direction.

And when you're in, jumping on a horse, you being one, another takes you from behind. Sorry, just a K metaphor. I'm not gay.