Some drugs are better than others.

[Forkbender]

^well that's understandable. But it may be too easy to blame heroin for the fear. I guess it may be hard to accept, but your father had a role in this situation and he made a passive decision not to take care of his family.

:heart: & :idea:

 

[druglessdouglas]

methamphetamine is NOT psysically adictive. its psychologicallly adictive. another great example of anti drugs propoganda, lol

 

[Brugmansia]

Another input I'd like to make is that psychedelics will be completely harmless if one controls his soul and mental condition.

You can eat hundreds of acid blotters throughout your life and if all experiences have integrated properly, nothing has been affected at all.

But you can't smoke tobacco or snort coke and prevent the affection of your cardiovascular system and blood vessels.

 

[redhawk]

Years ago (late 90’s) I was pushing myself to the limits. Used almost everything incl. coke/crack and heroine. Mostly I combined the substances, even with psychedelics like LSD (but certainly do not recommend it). I’m not an addictive person, otherwise I wouldn’t have been sitting here. One of my best friends, who was really into psychedelics (LSD, mescaline, shrooms…) sadly got hooked by heroine. Couldn’t handle it, like the most. And overdosed himself…

After a period from a couple of months when I start to use heroin and crack more frequent (3/4 times a week). I had reached a point, where my eyes were opened and directions had to be chosen. Mushrooms definitely had its share by this! By this time I was really lost, but stopped using everything from one day to the next. Followed my heart, saved some money and started to travel the world. During my travels I also stayed with a Lakota medicine man for a couple of months at Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, what has been a wonderful time. Now I occasionally only use mushrooms or salvia.

The only lesson I’ve got from crack and heroine is to stay away from it! Same for datura, if you don't know what you're doing.

And there is probably a lot more shit on the market (like meth), but I can’t speak out of experience.

 

[phatass]

I would consider deliriants like datura or large doses of diphen inferior, and kindof worthless

 

[????????]

I consciously make cannabis my only vice. This way I can curiously dabble in the substances mentioned here without feeling guilt or anything. I don't know what's the big deal if you've already decided your choice of entheogens. I agree cocaine makes you feel good and that's about it --although is exceptionally good at doing so. I want to try h to see what's all the hype. I'd be very cautious about it, obviously, but yeah I'd try it.

Fork, I think your poll is missing an option, something like "Yes, there are indeed better drugs but I can try some responsibly with no harm."

I'm a bit surprised that the majority will never ever try some, although it's understandable and I respect ya.

 

[druglessdouglas]

 

[st.bot.32]

if the source is reliable and clean, i think there is very little out there i wouldn't try. with the exception of pcp, dex and K. for some reason i have no desire to venture into that territory (for now anyway). well, maybe I could be convinced to try threshold doses of dex if the source was something more tolerable than cough syrup.

i'd like to think that my rule of thumb for the substances i will stick to is that the long-term effects of them are more or less known. however as long as the source is trustworthy enough and the setting is safe, i'm willing to give most things that come my way a shot as long as they aren't outright physically dangerous

i have difficulty saying that any illegal drug is actually "bad" per se. the vast majority of illegal drugs have very legitimate medical applications.

 

[Psychoid]

What do you all have against cocaïne? It's not psychedelic like shrooms or LSD but I think it still have some positive sides... The worst effect I had from consuming it is a completely stuck left nostril for a week when I took like .8g in an evening (not shitty coke, ~80% pure)

I think speed and meth are a lot worse than coke...

 

[Normlax]

Hi Im semi-new to the forum but thought I should share what I know of brown. I live near M-town so brown is very prevalent. Ive smoked snorted and injected it, never more than once a week usually less than once a month. But I agree that some people are prone to addiction. I thought it was strange that I could escape addiciton but one of my friends, who is very very well off could not. So I definitely agree that the user is the main factor in addiction.

 

[Psychoid]

What is strange is that I had lots of problem controlling my weed comsumption in the past, and also MDMA for a short while, but I find it very easy to control my coke consumption... maybe it's because I am aware of the danger, unlike cannabis which I thought was completely non-addictive when I started taking it... as for MDMA, I think I was using it for escaping reality more than anything else when I abused it... I am lucky after a while it didn't do anything anymore, or I might still be taking it irresponsibly.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Yes, weed was hard for me to stop, which I didn't even realize... I felt like I needed it, usually when I was feeling down, or before bed. I wanted to think on weed alot, and I got addicted some how!
Now I hate weed, my views on it are very negative, and it makes me see parts of people I dislike, alot. I love when people take it, and laugh, however. Those are people who should smoke it.

 

[st.bot.32]

What do you all have against cocaïne?

even though it doesn't really do anything for me, i've personally nothing against coke if it is very occasional, in moderation. i've done it now maybe 3 times in the past 2 years.. everytime i was pretty much happy to stop after a few lines. it's possible i've only ever come across really poorly cut coke of course.

i do find it irritating to be around some people on coke, it seems to allow them to let go of certain sides of themselves i'd rather not see. however so does alcohol.. and in a way any drug that amplifies a certain part of a personality is arguably "psychedelic" in the sense of mind made manifest, bringing things out that people normally hide away or keep under control. when i took coke for the first time i was analysing myself the entire time...

i prefer certain types of speed myself, dextroamphetamine for starters, over coke any day. the last time i took that i just focused for hours and hours without distraction, with no real comedown other than the need to sleep. coke on the other hand never really did much for me aside from the buzz. to be honest i'm really not into taking stimulants recreationally. i generally only take them when i need energy to work on something and they happen to be around, which isn't often (which is fine with me)

 

[st.bot.32]

unlike cannabis which I thought was completely non-addictive when I started taking it...

agreed, i found personally that both cannabis and psychedelics have a potential for psychological addiction. even after having taken lsd a few times i started dreaming about it regularly, I'm sure that if I had run into a sheet right then and there i would have been dropping a lot of acid at one point!

the thing is, it really is different than a physical addiction like say my nicotine addiction. it is deeper in some ways. like i have experienced this wonder, this fluidity of being, and desire to return to this place again. cannabis was an amazing tool for me. the problem in using these tools too much is that their profundity and effects wear off quickly, negating the very reason i would want to use them, and then suddenly you are using them just to deal with daily boredom, then it can become a problem

i think i'm pretty lucky i got into these things later in life. too many people who got into weed as a teenager just totally abused it and ruined it for themselves to the point where they will hardly touch it now.

 

[Psychoid]

It's true that coke doesn't do much to me either... I actually was pretty disapointed the first time I tried it, I was expecting a very strong stimulant feeling, but I've found it was less speedy than speed, but a cleaner and more enjoyable feeling. But the evening where I took .8g I was pretty hyper, this time it was strong, and it lasted like 6 hours But 80$ for 6 hours of buzz is expensive, especially when it's not something I particularly like... I'd rather spend that money on shrooms, or even better LSD if I ever find some Now I just buy .2g once in a while for 20$ and that lasts me 2 hours and that's good...

But for me it slightly amplifies some good sides of my personality, and I didn't notice it amplifying bad ones... except that I once drove on cocaïne and I was a bit crazy ^^

 

[st.bot.32]

i would like to try rolling it up in a j sometime.. although i would want to start with a pretty small dose if i try this!

 

[Psychoid]

i think i'm pretty lucky i got into these things later in life. too many people who got into weed as a teenager just totally abused it and ruined it for themselves to the point where they will hardly touch it now.

Yeah that's right... I wish I hadn't started smoking so young (started daily use at 16 :S ) I think 17-18 years old is a good age to start smoking pot from time to time, and it's never good to smoke it daily.

Since I smoke like once a week, I feel better and enjoy much more my trips (cause yeah, with no tolerance it become a trip for me )

Rolling cocaïne in a joint is wasting coke I heard, as it is pretty inneffective... better try some freebase...

 

[st.bot.32]

yeah, when i keep it to that frequency, i really enjoy it, and the effects are basically that of a trip for me as well!

 

[Alias55A]

well, as i am a noob to psychidelic's for now i am just a every once in a while pothead when i can aford to get a dime or quarter bag, but yes weed can be psychologicaly addictive, ive never been addicted to any but ciggs, but i do feal at times that in my mind i "need a join" b/c i do have depression and anxiety and the such but i never smoke b/c of it, i use it for recreational purposes of just having fun and taking journeys into realizations i need to see.

I've never tried coke, or the such but the thought of somthing man made bothers me, i barely even trust medication doctars prescribe nowdays, so which adds to part of it, also i cant put anything in my nose b/c its just very irritating, i cant stand anything going up there, i dont like the burning fealing lol. Although i do not have a problem against it or just parnaoid b/c its a bad drug, like you all stated its the user, not the drug who has the problem.

What i want to get my hands on which im trying to do at the moment is to experiment with salvia, hopefully if ever in this life DMT, peyote, mushrooms and the such, so i can see whats realy hiidden in me ; )

 

[restin]

Only 3 (!) percent get hooked after trying it

You know, I just remembered Homo Faber ( by Max Frisch). Must read by the way. Anyway, the thought is, if I had 100 lives, I would lose only 3, according to your statistic. But how can you tell that you are not in these 3 percent? You can't. And if you ARE, you are fucked. What can you tell to someone who got hooked? "Well, you are just a minority, you had a 97% chance that you would get out but well, you had bad luck." That's why this statistic is irrelevant if you think of trying it out...