peyote

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i have a peyote monstrose and i know its not a nice thing to do to such a preciouse cactus but i was thinkin of eatin her, how big does a peyote normally have to be for 1 person?

 

[Guest]

one peyote is not enough. it depends on the age, the climate, the person....but be sure that just one is not enough.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

DAYTRIPPER has sad true factors. One pict can help. Maybe you are asking why I asking everybody pict? Cause this is cacti!! I couldn't say more without looking at it! Cacti is not shrooms, weed or crystals of some sort.

 

[DeepTurtle]

i have a peyote monstrose and i know its not a nice thing to do to such a preciouse cactus but i was thinkin of eatin her, how big does a peyote normally have to be for 1 person?

If it is big enough, one can be enough. What diameter? Height?

 

[Guest]

it isn't the white peyote, you know ? :wink:

 

[DeepTurtle]

it isn't the white peyote, you know ? :wink:

A single peyote, if the cactus is big enough, can be sufficient for a psychotropic experience. It is a shame if you have not experienced such a pleasure, as I have ;-)

In 1974 I joined a peyote ceremony in Texas. Four of us ate one large wild peyote, the size of a small melon. I assure it was a memorable experience.

 

[GOD]

"one large wild peyote, the size of a small melon. "

That sounds like its been cultivated by someone using lots of hormones , and it must have been fresh that you know how big it was . Usualy a dose of peyote is about 25 - 30 grams of dried peyote = wet it weighs about 250 - 300 grams = for 4 people to get a trip it must have weighed 1 - 1.2 kilos .

 

[Guest]

a small melon ? that phrase was not here yesterday, you must have edited it.
a peyote the size of a small melon...enough for four people ?
even at 1% mescaline content fresh, which is fairly high, you would need, as GOD said, 1.2Kg fresh peyote enough for four people have a mild trip. (300mg mesc. per person). the normal content fresh is 0.4%, so you would need perhaps a 2.5Kg cactus ?
i am sorry, but i do not belive you. even in the XIX century, when the cactus was catalogued and the desert was populated with them, there are no references to cactus of this size. search all you want in the internet, the biggest peyotes are must smaller.
another thing: when a peyote reaches a certain size, it begins developing pups. you can see in pictures of wild peyote that sometimes the mother peyote dies, and gets covered in those little pups.

 

[DeepTurtle]

"one large wild peyote, the size of a small melon. "

That sounds like its been cultivated by someone using lots of hormones , and it must have been fresh that you know how big it was . Usualy a dose of peyote is about 25 - 30 grams of dried peyote = wet it weighs about 250 - 300 grams = for 4 people to get a trip it must have weighed 1 - 1.2 kilos .

Yeah, I know about the usual dose of peyote and all that. This was a wild peyote, a Chief peyote. Yes, it was fresh. We chopped it into cubes, then tried to eat it. Blah! Then we boiled it, and boiled it, and spent the next several hours trying to drink the brew. We tripped until night.

I hope those big peyotes are still down there on the Rio Grande, maybe development and over-harvesting has ended their days.

I get the sense that people think peyote are always small. That is not really true. Also, I have tripped on as few as two of the smaller buttons, the normal silver dollar sized ones. It certainly wasn't mind blowing, but I know a trip when I'm in one :wink:

"a small melon ? that phrase was not here yesterday, you must have edited it."

Gee, that's too bad gaytripper. You mean I have to have your permission now to edit my posts??? My apologies, I didn't realize you were the prima dona here. Have you ever been to Texas or Mexico and seen wild peyote, daytripper? Or just your little portuguese ones?

 

[Guest]

simply changing the tone of the lie to personal (and childish) mocking is not going to make you any more smarter. it just enlarges the size of your lie. the value of your words is lower than crappy toilet paper, because even the latter has some use.
from your latest post, you have shown everybody your real intentions and the kind of person you are. you have not (and will never) presented proof for what you say, simply because it is not true. i have presented several ideas, and since you cannot enter a simple civilized discussion regarding what should be common interest here, i say fuck you and have a cancer in your brain - may you live to watch your family die.

 

[DeepTurtle]

simply changing the tone of the lie to personal mocking

Try to stay on topic, your royal highness. Look, I'm relating my experiences with peyote. I never saw you on any of my adventures, which means you weren't there. Maybe you weren't even born then, your replies do sound rather immature.

Since you weren't there, you have no grounds for your juvenile ad hominem attacks. If you don't like my contributions to this forum, too bad.

As for proof, we're talking about something that happened over 30 years ago, in 1974. Sorry I didn't take pictures just for you. You probably weren't even born then. There were no digital cameras, no internet, and no YouTube, sorry.

I notice that you never answered my question, the one where I asked if you have ever seen wild peyote in Mexico or Texas. I guess that means you haven't.

 

[GOD]

"Gee, that's too bad gaytripper. You mean I have to have your permission now to edit my posts??? My apologies, I didn't realize you were the prima dona here. Have you ever been to Texas or Mexico and seen wild peyote, daytripper? Or just your little portuguese ones?"

It seems like you have a lot of experience going back over a long time but some times how you say it comes over a little like you are the one who is a prima dona balarina here . Maybe it would be better for you and more people would believe you if you dont sink to the mutant level .

"Try to stay on topic, your royal highness. Look, I'm relating my experiences with peyote. I never saw you on any of my adventures, which means you weren't there. Maybe you weren't even born then, your replies do sound rather immature. "

So do you . On this forum you are only 4 days old and Daytripper is 2.5 years old . He has built himself a very good reputation because he doesnt talk shit , obviously has a lot of experience and trys to offer proof of what he says , if you would do the same you would probably get on here much better . Daytripper was in my opinion right in what he said , and it doesnt matter if hes never been to America . I know people , profesional gardners and authers of some of the books we all know and love who have grown Peyote for a very long time and the biggest one that i have ever seen , read about or heard about was 20 cm across . You also said :-

"Also, I have tripped on as few as two of the smaller buttons, the normal silver dollar sized ones"

Those buttons were either the strongest buttons that i ever heard about , or the efect was psychelogical / placebo , or they were "Pseudo lophophora wiliamsii hofmanii" . Peyote is one of the oldest , scientificaly tested and analysed halucinogens known . That knowledge says that Peyote dont grow that big and are not that strong . Peyote have been shown to contain over 50 diferent alkaloids , fresh ones when watered a lot they contain about 0.4% , when grown under dry conditions up to 2.74% of mixed alkaloids .

Your very good description of what your purple micro dot did sounds like what i have often had on microdots of every colour i can think of at any time of the day or night = a real trip . Hopefully it opened the eyes of a few people here who think that they have had real trips but obviously havent .

My body is a temple and i dont want to shit it full with , or have time to waste taking LSA , Datura or fly agaric anymore .

Besides that i`m glad someone else a bit older is here , welcome to the forum .

 

[DeepTurtle]

Daytripper is 2.5 years old . He has built himself a very good reputation because he doesnt talk shit

Funny, all I've heard from daytripper is shit. He may have 2 years and 500 posts under his belt, but that and $5 will get him a latte at Starbucks.

The fact is, I saw that someone asked about peyote, and someone else said something ignorant like "you must take 6 peyote buttons." I responded to someone else's post with my own experience, and Kaptain KooKoo Britches saw fit to attack me, call me a liar, and ejaculate his filth all over me from the relative safety of his online anonymity. I don't respect that. In fact, it's quite cowardly. I did not come into this forum intending to be rude to anybody. That was unexpectedly thrust upon me by your fine, upstanding friend. Since you explained he's only 2-and-a-half years old, I guess I can forgive him.

Your very good description of what your purple micro dot did sounds like what i have often had on microdots of every colour i can think of at any time of the day or night = a real trip . Hopefully it opened the eyes of a few people here who think that they have had real trips but obviously havent .

Back in the day there were many such colors of acid, and about two different sizes I can think of. Stanley Owsley, with whom I had a very brief correspondence, laughed that consumers attributed different qualities to the different colors. they were basically all the same formula, in different colored packages. Of course, I'm talking about the little cylindrical colored pills, the ones that look something like rabbit pellets, not windowpane or blotter.

Except, the purple microdot was definitely strong and pure. Some others I've had were weak, probably old, lost potency. Also, acid becomes less magical and profound as the years go by. Finally, I overdosed one morning, stupid thing to do, and it was about 11 hours of hell. That taught me a lesson about acid, that it has its dark side.

My very first trip, ever, was on pure mescaline. It was fabulous.

I passed my driver's license test while tripping on pcp. Don't ask me how, my guardian angel must have taken hold of the steering wheel that day (VW mini-bus). On another occasion I snorted quite a large wad of pcp, and I thought I was on a permanent trip. It actually lasted 48 hours, and I was astral projecting outside, into friends homes, listening to their conversations, driving a race car on some astral freeway at night, all kinds of extreme hallucinations while lying on my bed. I would never, ever try that again. Strange, though, the next day my boss said I was doing a great job. I was resigned to the fact that I would be permanently tripping. Fortunately, I eventually came down.

I ate a large peyote, a wild one, with three friends in 1974. I am ashamed, because it was highly unethical, knowing what I know today about the sacred peyote. That cactus we picked might have been over 100 years old. If I had to do it over, I would have settled for the other smaller ones growing nearby. It was a large patch of peyote. We were young. We listened to the song "Pow Wow" by Paul Revere and the Raiders over and over again. It was the "B" side of Cherokee People.

I know people , profesional gardners and authers of some of the books we all know and love who have grown Peyote for a very long time and the biggest one that i have ever seen , read about or heard about was 20 cm across . You also said :-

My friend, 20cm seems to be a huge peyote. Hmm, let's see that's about the size of...oh, yeah, a small mellon! Just what I said before. Get a ruler out, look at how big 20cm is, and then imagine eating one. Then tell me it isn't enough for four young men to trip on. I am here to tell you ---> it is!

My body is a temple and i dont want to shit it full with , or have time to waste taking LSA , Datura or fly agaric anymore .

One grows stretched, like Bilbo Baggins, from noxious herbs. I would not even think about taking Datura, and I'm done with tobacco, and all other nightshades. I don't take pills any more, no acid, nothing.

With that, if there are "clean" ways of ingesting psychedelic herbs, I would consider them. I cannot stand yopo. What I mean by that is that it really upsets my nasal passages. So, if I were chemically inclined, I would prefer a purer form of DMT. In fact, I've never really experienced the beauty of DMT, but I've tried.

I have experienced Syrian rue, and was ok with it until it made me very sick once. Even now, I am learning to take it in small doses again, so I can stand it enough to try it with chacruna. One of these days, I think I will understand the right combination.

My experiences with san pedro have been very good. It doesn't make me sick, and it doesn't freak me out. It's also much easier to obtain than psilocybe, which might be my favorite entheogen. I don't smoke pot any more. Used to all the time, but I gave it up.

I have a profound respect for salvia, although it isn't the teacher that san pedro and peyote are. More like a tool for astral projection.

One fills his body with shit, tries everything, and at some point one sees these plants like one sees a woman. She is no longer a sex object, but becomes a partner, a significant other. There is a virtue to being the Keeper of the Plant, such as peyote, its guardian. I wouldn't enjoy eating a plant that was grown by somebody with lots of anger. It would be like petting someone's violent pitbull.

I derive pleasure from growing them, and eating it is an act of reverence that I do very rarely, as an act of magic. I think the plants respond in sympathy to the living people, animals, and other plants around them. Just because someone knows how to grow it doesn't make them a hero. If you beat your wife, and you beat your dog, and you beat total strangers, and you beat your peyote, you really don't have anything other people want.

Visions

 

[GOD]

Nice reply . You said "If you beat your wife, and you beat your dog, and you beat total strangers, and you beat your peyote, you really don't have anything other people want." So forget slagging Daytripper . Its gone , its in the past . It doesnt get us anywhere . You have a history , you have learned things , share those things with us and lets learn from eachother .

I love pitys , i`ve only ever met one that i couldnt get on with , no matter how hard and wild they had been trained to be . He played nice doggy untill i got close to him , then he took a bite at me . After a few kicks in the mouth with steel toecaps he didnt do it again . = with love and understanding us older people can get on with most anyone . I´m sure that you were once just as much of a pain as you now think DT is . Usualy i find that the people i dont get on with at first sight become my better friends . Probably i didnt get on with them because they were to much like i had been at sometime in my life .

Love GOD

 

[GOD]

Nice reply . You said "If you beat your wife, and you beat your dog, and you beat total strangers, and you beat your peyote, you really don't have anything other people want." So forget slagging Daytripper . Its gone , its in the past . It doesnt get us anywhere . You have a history , you have learned things , share those things with us and lets learn from eachother .

I love pitys , i`ve only ever met one that i couldnt get on with , no matter how hard and wild they had been trained to be . He played nice doggy untill i got close to him , then he took a bite at me . After a few kicks in the mouth with steel toecaps he didnt do it again . = with love and understanding us older people can get on with most anyone . I´m sure that you were once just as much of a pain as you now think DT is . Usualy i find that the people i dont get on with at first sight become my better friends . Probably i didnt get on with them because they were to much like i had been at sometime in my life .

Love GOD

 

[DeepTurtle]

search all you want in the internet, the biggest peyotes are must smaller.

It's apparent you don't have any real experience, just what you read in books.

i have presented several ideas

As have I. The difference between my ideas and your is that my ideas come from my experience, prima fascia, primary source, my own experiences. Where do your ideas come from?

Even your friend Cog admitted peyote may reach diameters of 20cm. That, my whiney friend, is what I call the "size of a small mellon"!! and double-!

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

I have seen fights, battles, private wars, world wars. But this is mind-knowledge-bookreaders-netsniffers Earth blitzkriegs against the World.
I know and have seen lots of cacti in face to face and picture looks. Turtle have some chance bout cacti size! 8) But that is very rare thing even in Chiwawa desert. Place with biggest cacti repertory on Earth. Such cacti size is difficult, maybe impossible to find (or make by grafting.) Peyote is kind of cacti which after certain time stops to grow, start to sprout and colonize. But maybe, but maybe is the thing, this size can be founded in nature. How much mescaline it have? Hard to know. 75year old one cacti is familiar only to native Americans. I am sad cause we do not have one of them here on this forum. But anyway I would not bet that he/she would even be part of this. Cause Peyote and that way of life is in them, they doesn't needs to explore and search it. MEANING OF ALL OF THIS is that cacti can be so large as melon, but such amount of mescaline is near impossible amount. Maybe TURTLE, you trip on Peyote but that was light trip, first trip with lots of new impact on your mind. I am going to believe so. Only to believe!
One other thing bothers me! When you count all yours psydelic drugs which you tried some shit say broke out. You place long post, that means you make effort to write it down. You wanna hear yours shit says? Here:

I have experienced Syrian rue, and was OK with it until it made me very sick once. Even now, I am learning to take it in small doses again, so I can stand it enough to try it with chacruna. One of these days, I think I will understand the right combination.

What have made you feel OK? Never before tried DMT?!, then you use some Pegan!? which was OK What can be good in Pegan? Have you XP nice trip? Now some Viridis you will mix with Pegan?? I see that you have done your homework bout psydelic drugs. But if someone look at your writing little closer, more focused, he will see some shit-says!

It is not so important what you have used till now, or what you are going to use in way "see me I eat that you doesn't know shit". Here you say what you need to say but without provoking tone! You succeeded in that. Blitzkrieg fall on you. GOD can be little hard sometimes, but sometimes! and at the end I have founded nice frequency in language with him.(also have some disagreements) But two psynouts, and now me! Too much. No offence. Calm down, this is not mind battlefield. Peace.

 

[Guest]

so, a peyote can grow to the size of a small mellon. you still have to prove me that a 20cm will weight 2.0 Kg fresh (with 0.6% mescaline content, which is already more than the average that erowid claim - 0.4%).
and, first of all, you were the first not to answer my questions, and avoid them with redundanct questions. i never been to america, so i never seen peyote. that is as valid as you saying that i am the prima donna - have you ever been in italy ? perhaps you don't even know what it means, since you misspelled it. if you never been to italy, what does that make you? well, what does that matter ? not being there does not mean you are not a liar. how come even not the indians talk about taking a peyote for four man ? how come they have to eat several of them ?
one thing is certain: when a person tries to justify their answers with avoir de la merde dans les yeux (have you ever been to france, BTW?), something needs to be justified ? you are still a liar to me, and will only cease to be, if you get me proof what you are saying, and then i will present my apologies to you.
don't expect the people to belive your stories just because you tell them. you experience here is as good as the next person's, and if you do not present proof, what you have to say to your defense ? i could also state that i have eaten a peyote bigger than a truck, and was enough to satisfy 40 people. i asked you for evidence, and what you did ? you insulted me. what does that make you ? a scared puppy who was caught taking a piss in their master's couch. and, just for the record, you could be albert hoffman himself stating such quotes, and you would still be a liar. that's the reason why people demand for proofs, because there are statistics, measurings and countless experiences.

 

[GOD]

"GOD can be little hard sometimes,"

WHO ??? ME !!!!!!

 

[buffachino]

No, ME!
IM GOD.
But then again, so are you,
And you,
You,
and yes, you too!

Hooray!
And now, silence.