One flew over the psychonauts nest ?

[GOD]

I`m shocked and concerned about the number of people here and in the psychonaut world that have mental problems . People with depression , some who admit it and others that pretend they are talking about "friends" . About people who either are bipolar or have done self diagnosies . About people claiming to have negative after effects from taking psychedelics like permanent hallucinations like the so called "HPPD" , again with no real diagnosis . About people with schizophrenia . About people who have panic attacks . And other forms of mental problems .

I think people like that have dissorders that cause them not to think straight , do self diagnosies and convince themselves that they are ill . And that those sort of people seem to be atracted to drugs , and thats why some of them jump into canals or out of windows .

Who here has never had a diagnosed mental problem = that they are bipolar , have depression , are border line , have schitzophrenia or panic attacts or other mental problems ? That means that they can never have had psychpharmica either . That also includes people who have diagnosed themselves .

 

[Forkbender]

Who here has never had a diagnosed mental problem = that they are bipolar , have depression , are border line , have schitzophrenia or panic attacts or other mental problems ?

I never had any mental problems. I could say that I was fucked up before, but not to the point where I didn't function. I was just a bit unsure about myself and afraid of confrontations. But these were problems that stopped after growing up.

I share your concern, GOD.

 

[magickmumu]

a couple of years ago I had problems finding work. My mom told to ask my doctor for a psychological test. So my doc sends my to a psychologist.

The first time I went to the psychologist I had to do some test.
The questions on the tests where very strange.
After the test the psychologist discussed the answers to the test with me.
I told the psychologist everything I knew.
The psychologist told me she couldn't find anything in the test.
She told me I was healthy and didn't need therapy.
The psych asked me if I wanted to come back next week, to discus the outcome of the test with here colleague. I said fine.
The second time I had a different psychologist. He told me more of the same.
There was no need for therapy.

I felt bad about going to the psychologist, and having to do therapy. I felt a lot better and happier, when they told me a was healthy

 

[robhR]

I kind of agree, especially the few people who've diagnosed themselves with schizophrenia, but I won't stand too firmly on that until I've read what made those people think they have it.

I tend to think that if you freak out over the first "schizo"-like thought pattern you have and label yourself as moderately schizophrenic or bipolar, you're just being avoidant. Putting all your troubles under a label and giving up instead of working to fix yourself.

I think people who are genuinely a little nuts are drawn towards psychedelics because they think it might help them figure out what's going on in there, so it would only make sense that a large portion of the community would be crazy people or recovering crazy people.

 

[GOD]

I think its partly over estimation , self punishment and false desisions / "thinking" . That probably the person has a mental disssorder that is typicaly founded on , made worse by and strengthened by false thinking / wrong decission making .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

First to answer your main question, no, I've never been to a psychiatrist, though I went to a psychologist once because I was curious what it would be like.

I`m shocked and concerned about the number of people here and in the psychonaut world that have mental problems .

Mental problems abound in the world at large as well. And if you visit ashrams and new age centers you'll find many mentally disturbed individuals there as well. Within the psychonaut community there may be many depressed or bipolar individuals, but if you look at the psychonauts that publish books, conduct research or make great paintings and music, you'll find people who are happy about doing their work and balanced in their ups and downs.

On a side note, I've noticed that at least some of the ayahuasca sessions here in the Netherlands attract (and in some cases are organized by) individuals who are mentally unstable, mixing traditional methods with new age ideas and personal additions ("channeled instructions from Archangel Michael" etc.). Has anyone else observed this as well?

 

[Guest]

As one of the french moderator pointed out :

"Anyway, on psychonaut.com we all have some kind of mental illness."

 

[GOD]

"mixing traditional methods with new age ideas and personal additions"

I dont know about the dutch psychedelic comunity but i havent seen it in germany . But i do think that this is alot about what the ayahuasca churches like daime are partly / mostly about , packing for example catholicism together with drugs . Selling a message , a personal philosophy and not being neutral and objective enough .

I think , thank god , that you are right that the top of our psychonaut world has more clear thinking , honest people than the lower parts but that they definately dont all think neutraly and objectively . Thats what i have against certain films we dont want to start argueing about again and authers like Clark Heinrich and a few others . Its also what i dont like about 2012 and the machine elves .

Hofmann , Schuldes , Raetsch , Ott , Shulgin and D.Mckenna are good examples of people who dont mix esoterics with facts . They seem to me to be neutral and to offer clean facts .

 

[Sticki]

Everything in moderation.....

Abusing drugs of any type will lead to mental unstability.....

I guess this boils down to Psychonaut or Addict???

Edit: P.S. I think the company you do these things in too can have an effect on ones mind. For instance, I know people that when on acid would try and get into your head and make you think like them. Its a type of hypnosis or mind control thats easily applied to the unprepared mind.

 

[restin]

I also thought that we are a group of crazy schizo-junkies with world conspiracies :wink:

To be serious, I am also concerned with that. I, personally often suffer depressions but not to an amount where I think I should visit a psychologist (I never think about suicide e.g.).

Maybe people who don't feel well in their daily life tend to be willing to find out more about themselves? Getting deeper to the rabbit hole? I mean, if you feel comfortable going daily to work, going home,sleeping and saving for the pension, well, I guess you won't take any psychedelics (at least not always).

 

[druglessdouglas]

ive suffered from depression in the past. i stopped taking psychedelics. the depression i had was as a result of years of amphetamine abuse, among other things. i dont have that problem now, in fact im very stable

 

[braha_kahn]

Maybe people who don't feel well in their daily life tend to be willing to find out more about themselves? Getting deeper to the rabbit hole? I mean, if you feel comfortable going daily to work, going home,sleeping and saving for the pension, well, I guess you won't take any psychedelics (at least not always).

same thoughts over here...

anyway the whole world is crazy if you ask me...

 

[restin]

oh dear. Very true.

 

[FreeNature]

On one dark day in my youth I had to see a child-psychiatrist because I had some "behavioural problems", she diagnosed me with ADD and prescribed me 56mg concerta a day.... I felt horrible taking the concerta, had mood swings and was pissed off real quickly... So I stopped taking Concerta, now 3 years later I feel fine and I believe I am mentally sane fingers crossed

bless
love

ps: I truly dont believe add or adhd are mental problems, the only reason so many children are diagnosed with them is because the school system is fucked up and the pharm business wants to make profit... Rilatine and Concerta make you walk within the lines and this is what they want.

 

[Malaeus]

warning... rant ahead.

there is nothing wrong with this generation at all. the problem lies with the inability of past generations (especially parents, and psychologists/psychiatrists)
to accept that fact that the human body adapts to its enviroment better than anyone truly imagined. with the prominence of high speed immersive mixed media, and the simple daily life becoming more detailed and yet continuing to require shorter and tighter deadlines on everything.


when one is diagnosed with ADD. it simply means that the one has the potential of multitasking to the extreme. possibly holding many hundreds of complete trains of thought at once, either crossing over and intersecting, referencing from one current thought to another. some closed off and made completley separate from all other thoughts, yet running at the same time. it is a natural adaptation. however the mistake is when these doctors and parents do not accept that as a new evolution however small of a step. and since their children to not function in the same way that their generation and the generation before. prescribing medication to attempt to dumb people down back to the comfortable level of thought that the older generations have been used to. they fear the potential of our generation to see through the veil that has been dangled in front of the eyes of the human race for many thousands of years. they fear the change that could be brought worldwide, eliminating the need or even want for any kind of discrimination whatsoever. eliminating or at least stabilizing the worlds economy, thats taking money right out of their pockets. so what are they going to do about that?

stop our generation from having the opportunity to use our "abilities" to better this world of resistance and control.

 

[Psychoid]

I've never been diagnosed any mental problem and don't think I have one. I'm a little bit insane but well...

"Insanity is essential for sanity to occur; it's a matter of balance"

 

[restin]

The difference between genious and madness is only measured by success...

 

[magickmumu]

First to answer your main question, no, I've never been to a psychiatrist, though I went to a psychologist once because I was curious what it would be like.

I`m shocked and concerned about the number of people here and in the psychonaut world that have mental problems .

Mental problems abound in the world at large as well. And if you visit ashrams and new age centers you'll find many mentally disturbed individuals there as well. Within the psychonaut community there may be many depressed or bipolar individuals, but if you look at the psychonauts that publish books, conduct research or make great paintings and music, you'll find people who are happy about doing their work and balanced in their ups and downs.

On a side note, I've noticed that at least some of the ayahuasca sessions here in the Netherlands attract (and in some cases are organized by) individuals who are mentally unstable, mixing traditional methods with new age ideas and personal additions ("channeled instructions from Archangel Michael" etc.). Has anyone else observed this as well?

People I know who organise and participate in ayahuasca ceremonies don't strike me as mentally unstable.

I think it's not a positive turn, to call each other (psychonauts & ayahuasceros) mentally unstable. Psychotic or crazy. People are not crazy, just because you don't believe there personal ideas and philosophy's
I don't say you have to agree with somebody or believe everything they say. I do believe it's good to be open to other people's world-views and ideas, or at least respect there freedom to have these ideas.

It makes me a little angry when you talk about other people this way.
:angry:

Your generalizing and you shows no respect.

Damn caduceus you really made me angry and sad with this one.




peace

 

[GOD]

"when one is diagnosed with ADD. it simply means that the one has the potential of multitasking to the extreme"

No it isnt . ADD is when you have a problem dealing with an uncontrolled flood of thoughts and cant concentrate . What you are talking about is intelligence .

Magic , esoteric loonys are esoteric loonys and its not a good thing for them to try and indoctrinate people on trips with their stupid personal shit . Caduseus didnt say what you said . He said some people do it , not all of them . And its not a matter of believing them or not . Its a mater of rationality and common sense .

" at least respect there freedom to have these ideas. "

I respect everones right to be mentaly confused , but they havent got the right to push it on other people.

"Your generalizing and it's shows no respect. "

 

[Bastiaan]

It is concern, please remember magicmummu!