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[misfit]

Well, i'm no expert in maths.

But for me 0 is a number. Just like 100000 or -10002. What ever.

The only difference is that 0 represents the borderline between the positive numbers and the negative numbers.

But I also can understand the interpertation of 0 as the absence of positive or negative numbers.

Still,for me, 0 isn't nothingness. Because we are giving it a constant defining value.

There isn't such thing as 'nothing'.

 

[????????]

^if there weren't you wouldn't be able to make that statement.

 

[IJesusChrist]

ummmmm its the feeling right before I fall asleep

 

[greenwizard]

I agree, sleeping and death maybe a way off really sensing and experience nothing.

 

[Psychoid]

Nothing can and can't be perceiced

"Nothing can be perceived" and "Nothing can't be perceived" is the same thing!





"Nothing can't be perceived"
NOTHING <---- This can't be perceived
But also, there is nothing that can't be perceived.
If there is nothing that can't be perceived, then NOTHING can be perceived.

"Nothing can be perceived"
NOTHING <---- This can be perceived
But also, there is nothing that can be perceived.
If there is nothing that can be perceived, that NOTHING can't be perceived either.

 

[maxfreakout]

NOTHING <---- This can't be perceived

but "This can't be perceived"


is short for "This THING can't be perceived" (ie you arent talking about the word 'nothing', you are talking about what the word refers to, but it doesnt refer to anything)

which makes it a contradiction, because nothing isnt something

 

[Brugmansia]

Dark or light, hot or cold, nothing or everything, red or blue, day or night, thinking or DMT.

 

[IJesusChrist]

the guys who are argueing about pi...

pi is sweet, Sum]0->infinity (1/1+1/3+1/5+1/7+1/9+...1/(1+n)) = pi/24

or some shit...

e^(pi*i) = -1

pi and e are fucking IN.SANE.

I'm sure someone could figure out what pi really is... give a math majjor some acidd or something... I've pondered it, and it seems to be just out of my grasp to comprehend

 

[greenwizard]

I only know pi is used to calculate the area of a circle.


Which I used today on a math test.


but that is toooootally irrelevant.

 

[Horrigan]

Pi is just pi, it's 3.141592 and it has always been, even before the universe existed ! Nothing explains it, I mean, really, it does !

 

[Crimzen]

Still,for me, 0 isn't nothingness. Because we are giving it a constant defining value.

and that value is??? Nothing, therefore..... the conclusion is obvious
its the most recent number, made a long time after the other digits because its philosophical, the 'number' zero was created in india whereas the other numbers are arabic.
zero isnt a number, in fact thats the essence of zero, not being a number
a number needs a value, zero has no value therefore it isnt a number
zero only symbolises the absence of a number
absence is the presence of nothing

 

[greenwizard]

absence is the presence of nothing.


but one thing I realized when talking about this subject, we will allways run in a semantic paradox.


0 is a very interesting number in math, and all human history.

the ultimate attempt of humans to create, Nothing!

 

[Forkbender]

give a math majjor some acidd or something

I tried this, although I didn't point him to this specific question. He said it helped his math skills, eventhough he didn't even think about math on acid. It just removed some of the psychological barriers to clear thinking, I guess.

 

[greenwizard]

the relation between the two is a very old one. it is covered with deep intricate webs of mystery and psychedelia.

 

[????????]

0 = ?

 

[paint]

someone said something about 0 being the border between negative and positive numbers, and that made me think about the idea of past present future. its like 0 is the balance, the wave form created when the negative and positive numbers are folded over on themselves. in the same way the now is the pattern created when you combine the present and the future.

im not saying that the now is necessarily zero, but they hold the same place in similarly structured systems

.....-5_-4_-3_-2_-1__0__1__2__3__4__5......
......(((((((((((((((((NOW))))))))))))))))))......

although maybe something about 'be here now' implies no thoughts, which possibly means no things> nothing...

maybe?

 

[misfit]

We're still talking about something.

Sorry, but for me 0 is a number. The difference is that it represents the borderline between the positive and negative. But still, a number.

Before 0 was invented, people could only count to 9?

 

[Forkbender]

You confuse 0 as a void with 0 as a numerical digit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)

It all depends on your definition of 'number'.

There are also other numeral systems, for example the Roman one that didn't have a symbol for zero until the middle ages. Ten was X, 100 was C, etc. So they didn't need the numerical digit of zero to make up 10 or 100 or anything else and could count as far as they wanted.

 

[misfit]

I agree. Zero can, and have, contain a philosophycal approach.
But I think that from a maths point of view, it's still a number.

My doubt here is how can one explain nothing without refering to something?

The only thing I can conceive or understand as anything that can be close to that nothingness is nothing at all.

i.e. A thread was opened about this. If no one said anything at all, including the own thread creator, we would be close to what it might 'mean'.

When I sleep and can't remember anything at all (dreams i.e) when I wake up, that might be nothing, for me.

 

[Telico]

Nothing is what brings something into focus. Alan Watts.