Newbie mistake

[Etherbunny]

Figured I'd share my most recent oops. I ordered some rye berries for a whole grain tek, but I made a simple newbie mistake: too much water! My berries found time while cooling down to not only explode but germinate (I left it over night to cool)

This was my process;

Rinse berries in water, soak berries for 18 hours, strain (I never did let them dry long enough), add to jars, added btw 100-180 ml water, pressure cooked at 15-17 psi for 1 hour. Left over night (18ish hours), opened the cooker and my jars were half full of germinating berries.

So.. To you grain growers, where did I screw up? I'm thinking next run I'm going to just rinse them, strain, then load then in the jars and add 200 ml water (as they won't be soaled or hydrated just rinsed), pressure cook and sit for max of 8 hours and then proceed with the inoculation

Would this work?

 

[paint]

i have no idea if it would work, but it would be cool if you could still grow the mycelium on the sprouts. im sure the sprouts would be suffocated and die in a short time. since most psilocybes are primary decomposers the mycelium might find freshly dead sprouts to be delicious!

of course this is almost entirely speculation, but an experiment worth trying id say.

 

[Trustafari]

Since in one syringe there are plenty of spores,u can inoculate like 2 or more jars,so to prevent lost of money,inoculate 1 2 jars with the solution . U can still refill ur spore syringe with sterile water in sterile conditions.Whenever swim uses a spore syringe,he refill it twice in one time use,cuz there are plenty of spores left after the firs inoculation,never had contamination problem,but i guess its a luck or good sterile environment .If u don't care about the money u can still purchase new grains.I think that some types of grains germinate faster then others,and they need to be boiled and not soaked.For pans swim uses budgie food and soaked or boiled they never germinate.Sorry but i don't know for if germinate grains will work.

 

[Etherbunny]

Well, I shot 2 cc in 2 of the germinated cans, they are going to be a pain to shake!!!!

 

[GOD]

If you had sprouting grain you didnt sterilise . Properly sterilised grain doesnt sprout .

You shouldnt soak anything over night . There are simple recipies of how much dry grain and water you need . It would be good for you if you got yourself a book about growing mushrooms .

Please ask questions if that or anything else is not clear .

 

[Mycophile]

Indeed. If your grain sprouted, it already went wrong with the sterilizing part.

My recipe, well, at least the one I always use is (in volume):
1 part water
0.7 - 0.9 part grain

 

[Etherbunny]

Next run I'm going to just load the jars and add water. Also gonna add more time to the pressure cooker.

I don't know how I screwed up the sterilization; I canned them at 15-17 psi for atleast 60 min @ full pressure.

Anyone have a presto canner? Followed the instructions, though they were vague ... Maybe not enough water ... But it called for 3 quarts ... mabye I did to many jars, 10 and the box says max of 7.
??

 

[GOD]

Now you have me confused . Whats a presto canner ? Where was there maybe not enough water in ? In the preasure cooker ? In that you only need a few centimeters and there should be something between the bottom of the jars and the preasure cooker . You cant overload a preasure cooker . Either the things go in and it seals or it doesnt . What 3 quarts ?

And sorry . You might think you have sterilised under prteasure but you havent . OK ocasionaly if you leave sterilised jars standing a few do sprout . But not a lot and not quick . To sprout like you say they must have had about 25 - 35°C .

I think it would be better if you explain exactly what you have done . And dont worry nearly everyone fucks it the first time . Its not hard to do it is just that there is a way and one has to stick to it .

 

[Etherbunny]

Ok so exactly what I did was this:

Rinsed the grain in a large pot, allowed to soak for 18 hours overnight. Then split the grain into 10 1 quart mason jars, added 120ml - 150ml water to the jar. Set all 10 in the pressure canner (presto is just the brand) added 3 quarts of boiling water (it's what the manual said) and put on high heat. Followed directions for the canner and brought it up to 15 psi. At that point I started the 60 min countdown. After 60 min I took off head, depressurized and placed in a sterile environment. I did leave them for about 24 hours in the pressure canner, drained of remaining water. Then I opened the pressure canner in the sterile environment and found the jars half germinated and half perfect grain.

 

[GOD]

10 X 1 quart jars at once ? With 3 quarts of water ? How big is this thing ? And what do you mean by germinate ? Sprouting ? Or do you mean you depresurised to fast and made popcorn ? It is better to leave the preasure in and let it go down slowly with the canner cooling down . How did you get the remaining water out with out opening it ? You lost sterility when you opened to fast and when you poured the water off .

 

[Etherbunny]

I used the pressure lock hole to pour out the water. makes sense, i did depressurize shortly after the 1 hour point. I made popcorn ROFL

Oh and they started sprouting. This next attempt should work better. It's a 23 quart pressure canner, I had to lay 3 of them on their sides, but they all fit and it sealed up, obviously as I was able to maintain 15 psi for over 60 min.

 

[GOD]

If they sprouted you didnt sterilise and you didnt have the preasure you think you had .

When you let preasure off and when you poured the water off you contaminated your jars .

23 quarts !!!!! Thats BIG . Have you got a link to your canning product ? It sounds to me like your canner is not a preasure cooker . It must be massive to get all those jars and all that water in it............. how do you lift / move it ?

What did you lay on its side ? Some jars ?

Have a little patience and we will solve your problem .

 

[Etherbunny]

Here is the link to the canner:

http://www.gopresto.com/products/products.php?stock=01781

Oh I've got all the patients in the world. I rushed into the first attempt, now I'm taking my time and appreciate the help, I'm reevaluating every step (and apparent missteps) I've taken.

I put the canner plate at the bottom of the canner, placed 7 1-quart jars in vertically then placed 3 1-quart jars on their sides horizontally and was able to fit 10 jars total in it.

 

[GOD]

Its a preasure cooker . But its MASSIVE . How do you move it when its full = about 40 kilos !!!!!!!

So . You are doing something wrong . In the bottom of the canner you should have maybe 2 inches of water . I dont understand where you put all the water you put in it ? Especialy how could one put that much water in without some jars being under water ? I think with that amount of water in there that you probably didnt get the preasure you thought you had . How long did it take to reach the preasure you had ?

The only thing you can do is try again with no jars sideways and only a little water in the canner .

 

[Etherbunny]

It took about 15-20 min to get to 15 psi.

 

[Trustafari]

Ohhh man that pressure cooker is so hot i so want to have one of these,mine is an old seb without pressure meter,but i never had problems with sprouted grains and contamination.I check the heat by putting some water on the top,if it vaporize quick,than im ready to measure the time left.

 

[GOD]

I cant see how the canner could have got so hot so quick because of the size /mass of it / the contents .

It is physicaly imposible that you realy had that preasure and temperature on the grain for 60 minutes and that the grain sprouts the next day .


The only thing to do is to start again and put 2 inches of water in the bottom .

 

[Etherbunny]

The water was already boiling when I added it. Also after I added all the water there was only about 3 inches of water w/ the jars already placed in.

I'll have to try it again w/ fresh grain (thinking popcorn this time) and I'll take pictures this time to show my prep. Also gonna let it de pressureize naturally this time instead of rapid decompression like last time.

Oh and they were not sterile, massive contam in 2 days on the 1 jar I kept.

The pressure gauge read 15 psi and it was making a good amount of noise (like something that is pressurized)

Edit* ok I've done more reading and I think I know what I need to change.

This what I will do next attempt:

Soak grain overnight (18 hours)
Morning of:

Bring the grain to a boil, then reduce to a simmer for 45 min (stirring ocassionally)
Load 7 1-quart jars (won't overload the canner this time, and no extra water they should be hydrated already)
Add water & bring pressure up 2 15 psi and cook for 60 min
Let cooker cool for a few hours
Bring into sterile room and proceed w/ innoculation.

I'm thinking I over filled the canner and didn't get the full effect from 60 min of canning. Also I think I should have simmer'd them longer prior to canning.

Also after it sat overnight the jars had a thin white film on the foil cover, was that widespread contam or from the canning process?

 

[Etherbunny]

Got another batch sterilizing now, hope these work out. Wish me luck!

 

[GOD]

I dont know what the thin white film is but it sounds strange . If you have the posibility to take fotos its always a big help in solving problems .

Good luck . Or better fuck luck and just do it so it works .


Why have you used rye seeds ? Why didnt you use rye grain ?