Is the psilocin experience a DMT experience?

[GOD]

"the fact shrooms can be smoked with effect"

Bollocks . I would advise you to stay away from sharlatan web sites like the one you quoted .

Why do you use Passion Flower ? And how much ?

 

[Cannafarmer]

It isn't just that website...
It's from what I heard from other psychonauts as well.
They say more is needed, but it definitly gives you a psychedelic experience.
It might not be as hard while eating the same amount, but it's definitly there.

And why passionflower? it isn't a dangerous MAO inhibitor... So you should not fast an entire day before you start the trip.

Wouldn't know how much. I have this tea basket (don't know the word) I fill with it.

And what's wrong with shroomery?

 

[GOD]

I said web sites .

Then they are lyers .

"Why do you use Passion Flower ?"

 

[Cannafarmer]

I use it as an MAO inhibitor, already told you that Mostly because it isn't one of the dangerous ones.
One cup before the mushroom tea
And one portion in the mushroom tea

 

[GOD]

No you didnt .

There is not enough MAOi in passionflower to do anything .


What about you being a bit more discerning ? Instead of using questionable web sites as sources of "facts" it would be better to look at the work of experts . Books by experts not kiddy cack from blind people , lyers and idiots .

 

[Cannafarmer]

That's what I've been saying,
It isn't a dangerous MAO inhibitor. It's not because it is a mild one it isn't a MAOI.

And please let us stop argueuing weither it can be smoked or not.
It is not like smoking sand, it does something, a mild effect.
And of course an expert is going to say you shouldn't smoke it, but eat it.
But then I'd say: why eat it ? Why not drink it in a tea?
After all, the heat from the water makes your blood absorb the substances a lot faster.

 

[GOD]

You have been saying that one can smoke psilocybe mushrooms and get a trip . You can not .

"t's not because it is a mild one it isn't a MAOI. "

I dont understand what you mean / what you are saying about MAOIs and / or Passion Flower .

 

[Cannafarmer]

Yes and I stay by my word.
You can smoke shrooms and get a mild trip that doesn't last long.

And what I mean is that passion flower is a MAOI
Not a strong one like Ginkgo or something, but it is one.

The problem with an MAOI is that you should fast for a certain amount of time. I think to be complete safe it is 24h.
With passionflower as MAOI it doesn't get that dangerous as a stronger one. Still caution must be taken!

You know a simple lemon can turn out to be poisonouss if you consume an MAOI.

 

[GOD]

A Psilocybe mushroom trip lasts about 4 - 6 hours . If it doesnt then it wasnt a trip .

The psychedelic world rejected Carlos Castaneda when he wrote that one could smoke Psilocybe mushrooms and get a trip .

"Ginkgo" - "Lemon"

??? Please explain .

For the Passion Flower to have any MAOI effect it has to be the right one and the right parts . I have read that one needs more than 100 gramms .

I have never seen and evidence that MAOIs can positivly potentiate Psilocybin trips .


And dont say "Trust me".........

 

[Cannafarmer]

LOL trust me just janking ya now

Oh well, it was the smartshop who recommended it to me.
And I must say, I had real good visuals. It was the first time I had that nice visuals, and I haven't stopped using it ever since.

Ok, I agree, a trip that doesn't last longer then couple of hours isn't a trip.
That I agree on.

Ginkgo is an MAOI
And so is passion flower

But before using an MAOI you must fast!
An MAOI can make some regular food poisouness, and I used a lemon as example.

 

[GOD]

"Oh well, it was the smartshop who recommended it to me. "

Ha ! Ha! Ha! Advertising victim .

Where did you get that about ginko and lemon ? Where can i read about it please ?

Only use natural MAOIs and fast for 4 hours . Why risk your health and use any other ?

 

[Cannafarmer]

Passionflower and Ginkgo are natural my man

Anyway, it wasn't advertising only. I went there for a long time and I asked them: Is there anything I can add to my tea to lessen the tolerance.
Because I tripped weekly, but the effects wore off.
So I asked them: isn't there anything I can do.
And they gave me a bag of passionflower and I haven't stopped using it ever since.
So for me personally it is a great MAO inhibitor without all too great risks.

And where can you read that? You'd simply say again: oh but those aren't experts!

When ingested orally, MAOIs inhibit the catabolism of dietary amines. Sufficient intestinal MAO-A inhibition can lead to hypertensive crisis, when foods containing tyramine are consumed (so-called "cheese syndrome"), or hyperserotonemia if foods containing tryptophan are consumed. The amount required to cause a reaction exhibits great individual variation and depends on the degree of inhibition, which in turn depends on dosage and selectivity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_ ... _inhibitor

And fuck me riddance, isn't there tyramine in fruit such as lemons, oranges and shit?
I didn't mean a lemon is a MAOI, I meant it's "dangerous" while on MAOI.
And I was just giving an example.

 

[GOD]

Ok where are the medical cases / examples that eating those foods with natural MAOIs can hurt you ? It is said that........... but is it just said or is it true ? Who did the tests ? When ? Where ? = no one , no where never . Maybe the "facts" are caried over from medical studys with pharmaceutical MAOIs .

I have eaten yeast , beer , chocolate and cheese after using P.Harmala with no ill effects .

Please show me information about lemons being dangerous on MAOIs . Please show me that ginko contains MAOIS .

 

[Cannafarmer]

Ginkgo as MAOI:
http://www.google.be/search?client=fire ... gle+zoeken

http://www.articlesbase.com/alternative ... 57385.html

From the lemon I can not show, but you know it's been said.
And you know it! You're just janking me now.
On the wikipedia link I gave there are the "heads up" for MAOI

I can't simply say it isn't harmful, now can I?
This is the internet, and we can only be better safe then sorry.

And again: THE LEMON JUICE WAS JUST A BLEEPING EXAMPLE

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Yeah, Ginkgo biloba?! Where did you get idea that from?
EDIT: Please be more specific than posting an URL with Google results merely linking the two words together.

Passion flower is so mild one shouldn't compare it with Peganum harmala or anything like that.

 

[Cannafarmer]

http://biopsychiatry.com/ginkgomaoi.html

But heed!!! Those might not be experts

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Nothing is mentioned about MAO inhibiting potential, only that it has MAO inhibing properties. Nothing is said about the effects of Ginkgo in human beings, when taking regular stardardized Ginkgo biloba supplements.

 

[Cannafarmer]

my bad...
Anyway we are going far off topic

all this started by smoking shrooms
then the dangers of MAOI we should take lightly according to God

I'm gonna smoke myself a fat one in the garden and think on this

 

[GOD]

"Monoamine oxidase (MAO) inhibition by ginkgo was reported in one animal study, but has not been confirmed in humans."

Who didnt read their own web links ?

 

[Cannafarmer]

*sticks finger in the air*