Intense effect from meditating on cannabis

[Psychoid]

I experienced the same thing than the night before, but this time it was less intense (because of tolerance I guess...).

I stayed in the intense state for a lot longer, maybe 5 minutes. It was interesting, but is gonna require more experimentation

Also next time I consume cannabis it's gonna be orally

So I'll report again in 2-3 weeks

 

[Forkbender]

OMG you are all describing experiences that I had multiple times on cannabis!

I wonder if there might be a connection. :?

 

[Brugmansia]

Watching people's faces and spotting certain micro expressions is one of my favs things to do. Best lessons in antropology for the human brain.

Also, cannabis is a great way to teach yourself how to be entirely free from face contraction. This prevents people from diving in your mind and looking inside.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Watching people's faces and spotting certain micro expressions is one of my favs things to do. Best lessons in antropology for the human brain.

Also, cannabis is a great way to teach yourself how to be entirely free from face contraction. This prevents people from diving in your mind and looking inside.

the thought police!

 

[GOD]

"micro expressions"

When i was on large doses of psychedelics or MDMA / MDA i could read those expressions . That together with watching peoples body language and lip reading is like telepathy .

 

[Horrigan]

Don't take care of your breath, it's automatic, if you need oxygen your lungs will take it without asking you, unless you try to control it.
Heart rate is much more controlable on cannabis, I can barely accelerate it when not high, but when I'm high, I can easily "control" it by negative thoughts and go up to 120 beats per minute or more, but I never succeded slowing it down.

 

[restin]

I honestly dislike the heart-effect. It disturbs me to relax. The stuff with the breath I also feel quite a lot (only when lying/relaxing) but I am quite neutral to it.

 

[druglessdouglas]

heres a good exercise in "people reading" - stop looking at their faces (temporarily) and listen to their voice "stress" levels and modulation. after a while combine body language and what you hear

 

[Forkbender]

And don't forget the other senses as well.

 

[st.bot.32]

I stayed in the intense state for a lot longer, maybe 5 minutes.

I think after a bit of experience the whole heart racing feeling just kind of goes away, your body adjusts. I think it is just a bit of an adrenaline rush from panicking when entering an unfamiliar, perhaps unexpected state of consciousness. At least that's how it was for me. I had a couple panic trips, thought i was going crazy, then i realized i wasn't going crazy, just tripping. and the negative distracting effects went away.

As for the deep meditational state, with a good dose and good weed, if my tolerance isn't too high, I can be in it for a good hour or two. it can be a really blissful experience, especially if you are in an environment/setting where you can just let go..

 

[Brugmansia]

I honestly dislike the heart-effect. It disturbs me to relax. The stuff with the breath I also feel quite a lot (only when lying/relaxing) but I am quite neutral to it.

That's because tachycardia along with muscle sedation is totally against the natural purpose of the cardiovasculair system.

Pot has similar physical effects as tropanes. Which also dehydrates the tongue and throat, rises heartbeats hand in hand with extreme muscle relaxtion.

Except that on tropanes it is 10 times as heavier (20 times for the dehydration), and you can't detect any physical impulses due to the absence of your mental common sense.

Weed is the white sheet for getting in touch between your body and mind for a life purpose. Datura is the black sheet which divides your body and mind for a death purpose.

 

[Horrigan]

Datura is the black sheet which divides your body and mind for a death purpose.

Purpose ?
Shit, it explains why I've always been so attracted by delirogens, but I hate those fuckers, they cause horrible effects in my brain.
But maybe that's the point of their utility, horrible is also wonderful if it's seen trough the other side.

So you say that delirogens, behind their shitty appearance, are the ultimate weapon for inducing death ? great, I'll try tonight with 750mg dimenhydrinate, then 1 big joint to go bad tripping.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[restin]

so no danger? :wink:

The dry throat: is it better to drink? Is the dryness real or only the feeling? Most times after drinking, the tongue is equally dry...

 

[st.bot.32]

sipping a bit of water throughout the evening works fine for me!

it's healthy anyway, as i don't tend to drink enough water normally..

 

[Brugmansia]

Datura is the black sheet which divides your body and mind for a death purpose.

Purpose ?

Only sleep on the white sheet if you love your life, don't ingest tropanes without a medical supervisior, or at all. And never ever eat more than two seeds.

In India, they use cannabis to ease the blockage of acetylcholine and also a sort of brew from West Africa from which I can't remember the name.

In India, people take one seed, go to the sky and 'meet new life'.

When looking up info about 'responsible' datura use, there's no doubt that the consumed amounts on pretty much all erowid reports are just suicide attempts.

Cannabis and Datura are both weed's and have few symptoms in common, Cannabis being the good female with extended vision, Datura being the evil female with elimination of sight. Datura takes your memory, Cannabis brings it up. Datura takes your motor control. Cannabis rises your swift and angle. Cannabis's enhancing the knowledge about the self. Datura takes the knowledge about the self. Both are aphrodites.

 

[Psychoid]

I think it is just a bit of an adrenaline rush from panicking when entering an unfamiliar, perhaps unexpected state of consciousness.

Believe me, I'm very familiar with the weed buzz. With tolerance the physical effects of cannabis become almost non-existant (even the red eyes), so you don't get that feeling that your heart is racing. But when I have no more tolerance (if I smoke after 2 weeks or more without smoking any), I get the full effects again, as if it was the first time in my life I've been smoking. Except I don't panic and think I'm gonna die cause I know it's not gonna happen.

 

[st.bot.32]

That's true, come to think of it, maybe influenced by this thread but I recently had some very strong strain of some kind (we call it Jack where I live, but I actually think there are several types of it, some leaning towards the indica some towards the sativa) and I totally felt my heartbeat for about 5 mins or so while the effects were initially kicking in

It's a pretty psychedelic strain too

 

[lol*fan]

The heart racing thing sounds familiar. I oftentimes tell myself when I feel as if my heart is racing that it's just that my perception of time is different; that 5 or 10 seconds now feel like 1 second, and therefore I think my heart beats way too many times per interval. And wether it is true or not, it eases my mind and slows down my heartbeat--or brings back my perception of time, depending on how you look at it 8).

Sometimes it also feels like my heart just stops beating, but I think I'm just getting one level higher at that moment and loosing some touch with my physical body. Anyway, I never died off of it and also don't panick since I just let go and trust Mary Jane.

 

[st.bot.32]

I sometimes also find that it is my perception of my heartbeat that has changed. I used to feel that my heart was pumping at like 150 or something insane. Then I'd put my hand on my chest and discover that it was in fact pretty much normal, and all I was feeling was my senses or perception thereof being altered or a rush of energy that I equate with "blasting off.

-edit-

Don't know if i mentioned this before but when taking cannabis orally i definitely always feel my heart racing. But that is such a body high

 

[Horrigan]

Cannabis and Datura are both weed's and have few symptoms in common, Cannabis being the good female with extended vision, Datura being the evil female with elimination of sight. Datura takes your memory, Cannabis brings it up. Datura takes your motor control. Cannabis rises your swift and angle. Cannabis's enhancing the knowledge about the self. Datura takes the knowledge about the self. Both are aphrodites.

Very true.

I took 750mg dimenhydrinate and smoked a joint yesterday as I said.
No real hallucinations but a lot of weird things on the field of view.
I didn't felt a lot the effects of weed because dimenhydrinate dominated the effects.

I could connect to hyperspace but it was harder to hold it long, constantly forgetting what I want to do.
I don't think I was free from my body more as I am as usual, it was still reacting to what I was thinking.

I see two advantages with delirogens:
-first, no need to resist temptation of developping an idea (and wasting time) because you just don't have short term memory anymore, at most I could remember a thought if it ended 1 second ago, no more.

-second, dream like state, making easy to explore deep consciousness and realise the power of dreams. When you ignore you're doing something you do it 10 times better than if you knew it...
I could see 3D and photorealistic moving faces and expressions of unknown people or scenes of everyday life like if I was there. Like a 500GHz computer working on a 3D software.

Opiates also have the power of inducing dream like states, but it's different, I think delirogens are more powerful for that purpose due to the memory loss.