God's Gift: Cannabis in the Bible

[Forkbender]

psychedelics only teach you about who and what YOU are. if you want to avoid thinking about what you are by all means think about elves, 2012, ufo's and god. its better than watching tv i guess but its not much more usefull

True, but I think you have to consciously make the decision to look inside and find out who you are before psychedelics help you do that. Psychedelics can be a means for egotripping. Mind manifests and if the mind is focused on awareness of self (which it rarely is), you can take psychedelics to make it stronger.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Psychedelics can be a means for egotripping.

LSD helped all the following people "realise" they are GOD.

Adi Da ("The drugs he was given were mescaline, LSD, and psilocybin - all hallucinogens. At one point he was given a mixture of all three."):

Bhagavan Sri Rajneesh ("His brief experimentation with LSD only made matters worse."):

There have been many more. Supposedly Hitler has tried mescaline.

Psychedelics sometimes inflate the ego, especially in people with latent narcissistic tendencies and a deluded worldview.

 

[Alias55A]

lol razor29, if only you were here every time one of those bible ppl knocked on my door, most of the time i forget half i know and i get irritated so i have to use plan b to formulate a corectly articulated argument stimming from slow waves of memory coming back lol, but you and your knowledge of the subject far beyond mine and still sane? i have to hand it to you, probly most wouldnt survive such a forced 12 yr catastrophy.

 

[Alias55A]

arlight now sense i fully read through everything, jahvisions, your concept is mostly new age crap of taking what u feal that fite u and throw the rest out,which is the same as me dancing around praising my self as a imaginary crusaider under the rule of the catholic church, but oh i didnt kill thousand of innocent ppl most of the pagan old religion to commite genocide so the church can live in peace with its lies while everything on the road to rome was caravans of pagan loot? oh ya thats right the church wanted power for itself b/c paganism of all types around the world gave the individual personal power instead of becomeing a sheep under one god, and one pope and whoever was the nearest preist/preacher that you felt was holiyer then thou selft.

People can talk religiong and bible crap, but i will never forget the millions of ppl they killed in the name of there god just to get the shit popular, i will never forget how they struck the sword to the throat if u did not bow to their empire and god, i will never forget the many torture methods used on witches and ppl who had psychic abillities just to make them out to be devils, nor shall i forget the slaughter of multitudes that bible bashing white man did on the native americans who are now shoved in the back of utah somewhere with a poplation of just over 22,000 in the cherokee nation, nor will i forget the dumbass missionaries traveling over seas to "3rd world countrys' so preach to them just to make them feal smart, i bet if they went to an actual major city they would get there asses handed to them.

Nor will i forget my bible bashing mother saying i was demonic just b/c i descovered i could move objects with my mind, nor when my family turned there backs on me and treated me as some black sheep just b/c i was happier practicing witchcraft.

Now i know razor knows where the real source of thie christian shit came from do u? or did u just want to find some happiness b/c u couldnt figure out why the hell you are on this god forsaken earth like the rest of us and deal with it.

now of course the most fable idea of this concept of separation spark in zorostriansim with the concept of a god of light, and a god of dark, white amidst this was happenning, if one looks into eyption history, they also had their own separration, which was when the battle of duality began, set of course jelous of his brother osirus slew him(by means of nailing him in a cophin and sending him on his marry way) and battled his nephue horus but lost, and most dynastlies since then lived in the sun, if u want more details they are there to find, now horus was also reffered to as the sun, the one who rises to become the godhead/the farther atem and so on and so fourth but back to the jewish crap, before israel was sack things were much different with the culture of isrea, the whole teachings of the stupid bible was part of the magickal system of quabalah, and nowhere will u find the word christ or christian in hebrew for the english words would stick out like a sore thumb.

when things were translated by the church at that time they used a thing called "Etymology is the study of the history of words — when they entered a language, from what source, and how their form and meaning have changed over time", they word messiah which they reefer to chirst has been so deluded, if u actualy translate it right, it refers to an age, like the age of the aquarius, and since messiagh is closley related to the eastern sun, which relates to the pagan son/ so/ sol/ and lucifer, prometheus, and of course look at our world of science today, we are entering an age of great intelligence and enlightment of understanding from all stems of science, to the mind and spiritual practices, also wiccan/ or neopagan is one of fastest growing religions of the world which teaching self freedom and personal power mixed with eastering philosophy of enlightenment. so srry to burst your bubble on jesus coming back b/c srry hes dead, mortal, not saying he wasnt a healer for many were, or did u not watch the news a yr ago when they found his tomb? with his wife and child barried with him?

yes i am a bit vague on details for they would take up way too much space for such an argument, but if you choose to stay ur path i suggest you read up on hebrew and aramaic so u can thouroly read the quabalah and find the hints of both female and male forces, for which the holy spirit is the mother, and the holy ghost is the son as the father as one, get is right, old jewish crap is a screwed up version of eyptian pagansim.

do you beleive personaly? im more into finding proof!

 

[????????]

your concept is mostly new age crap of taking what u feal that fite u and throw the rest out,which is the same as me dancing around praising my self as a imaginary crusaider under the rule of the catholic church

hey you clearly haven't read JV's posts well enough, I think you misfired.

 

[restin]

there are people on the forum who are a little messed up/ depressed or whatever. thats the nature of being human. if you believe you will never be depressed or get messed up you are fooling yourself. personal growth is a process. its a journey with no end apart from death

realising you are one day going do die, rot and end up as little more than a funny smell can be a bit depressing. if believing that somehow "you" will carry on in some form is comforting, then believe what you like. it wont change a thing. personally i prefer to see things for what they really are.

the people on this forum who do suffer from depression or whatever are learning a great deal about what it is to be human. if they learn enough they will pass through their personal darkness and emerge with an empathy and understanding that will help them understand the rest of the hairless chimps that wander the planet.

psychedelics only teach you about who and what YOU are. if you want to avoid thinking about what you are by all means think about elves, 2012, ufo's and god. its better than watching tv i guess but its not much more usefull

I couldn't formulate it better. Also, empathy and depression are no contradictions. I don't see anyone here who is not "nice" resp. empathic. If you want a life without depression, gain some million dollars, buy H for it and make an infusion that provides you with it automatically for the rest of your life. You will not have an easy life in another way, except if you close your eyes and walk straight- not the solution either. And also there is a certain beauty in a depression. A certain creativity.

 

[restin]

i was not disputing the fact that cannabis was used back in those days im just saying what they claim about the burning bush and about the word qaneh that has a totally different meaning then they claim i mean for fuck sake only an idiot would claim that qaneh mean cannabis its a super general word that can be referring to anything.

A friend of mine who is hebrew tells me the same thing about qaneh. I don't think anyone here has linguistic skills and knows the overall meaning of qaneh?

 

[druglessdouglas]

qaneh. back to the acorus calamus. it must be a sign

 

[restin]

but acorus calamus is not cannabis sativa. You talk about signs but most people are not convinced if you say "because cannabis brings bliss".

 

[Alias55A]

I apologize for my misfire, though only for the interesting discovery of jesus using cannabis, it would only be more then a waste of time trying to find truth in the whole mess of christianity except for founding out what it stole.

 

[restin]

Funny, I had exactly this topic in the philosophy lesson today. I don't believe that Christianity is good or evil, it has both parts, give me a sign if you want to discuss

 

[Alias55A]

Funny, I had exactly this topic in the philosophy lesson today. I don't believe that Christianity is good or evil, it has both parts, give me a sign if you want to discuss Razz Very Happy

i would love to discuss this topic.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I apologize for my misfire, though only for the interesting discovery of jesus using cannabis, it would only be more then a waste of time trying to find truth in the whole mess of christianity except for founding out what it stole.

It is of the utmost importance that we figure out how these scriptures came about. With scriptures I mean all of them, including the Quran, the Veda's, Purana's etc. Why? Because the way they came about shines light on their original purpose, and so modern man can understand them for what they are, and what they are not. Clearly they are not texts that have relevance to our modern times. If we do think they apply to our modern times, we're going to believe in self-fulfilling prophesies: armageddon, the fight over a silly hill in Jerusalem etc.

We, or at least scholars who are interested in the matter, should study what was the political climate in which these texts came to be, how poets in those days tended to incorporate older myths and stories into a new narrative, what plants they used for their religious rites etc.

Regarding Christianity, it is very important to understand what was going on when the Jesus myth was created: the Roman Empire, Gaius Julius Caesar's claim to divine rulership (!), the shamanic interests of the Essenes involving the use of cannabis and mushrooms, and their knowledge of astronomy etc.

In other words, you don't have to go searching for indirect references to Jesus being a stoner. Rather understand that:
1) there never was a physical Jesus, or any of the apostels. Google "nonhistoricity of Jesus" or go to egodeath.com.
2) Jesus represents several things, for example the entheogenic state, the sun, entheogens, a person experiencing the effects of cannabis, the mushroom, ego-death, a counternarrative to Julias Ceasar, an accomplished yogi etc.
3) A bit later Chrisitianity was accepted as the standard religion of the Roman Empire, but it was also severely altered in the process.

The same can be said about the myths of the Veda's and related texts, which were all about astronomy/astrology and the use of sacred plants.

Please don't waste your time debating these points before you've read about them a bit more. Realize that only this information, if it is true, can put an end to the worldwide epidemic of religious fanaticism. To end war, including the war on drugs, this scholarly investigation must continue and its discoveries shared with the public.

http://www.egodeath.com/JesusFigureEsotericOrigin.htm

http://www.egodeath.com/index.html#_Christianity_as_Experiential

 

[Alias55A]

ok, i do agree with you, and thank you fro the correction, and i do agree with the points you made, although there are many of sects of pagasim and religious texts that can shine (if not even more light) on truths, even though i do feal a discomfort of more attention focused around the bible, there are still more things out there and much older that can teach us alot more. I just hope the "truths" of the christian religion clear the air soon so we can continue with full focus of attention on other pagan religious cultures that hold a great amount of wisdom and understand.

(srry for the vague post, my mind is busy at the moment, if i can put more imput into my statement i will asap)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

so we can continue with full focus of attention on other pagan religious cultures that hold a great amount of wisdom and understand.

I'm not that impressed by pagan religions either. We've got to create our own religion, and our children and grandchildren have to create their own.

 

[Alias55A]

We've got to create our own religion, and our children and grandchildren have to create their own.

thats what the path of a druid is, for thousands of years cultures have risen and falling with their army's and gods, conquering, replacing other systems with their own, every culture haveing its own chauvinistic patron deities and beleifs dominated by the male counterpart of the human species.

Yes people have their own truths, magus'es, satanist, luciferians, and the like that follow in the old systems, though neither of these has ever been more evoved then the mind of the celts, instead truths taken from each incorporated into the universal celtic mindset.

yes we should make our own paths, and teach our children to do the same, but at the same time teach them guidllines that can be followed and interpreted correctly, not necessarily rules, but ofcourse common sense with idealistic thinking and reason, so ofcourse we can prevent another version of "christianity" in the future to commit another mental mindfuck on the human race.

And of course the "proper" way of raising children is of most a touchy subject that cannot be written into a book to follow, nor do i firmly beleive that children should be raised in a certain relgion, but to be raised to find the truths of nomatter what the subject of their interest, with confident beleif in themselves so that no thought form or deity can take a firm inprent within a childs mind to influence a certain direction.

As I restate it, Druidic and celtic ways of carving their own path with both science and religion hand and hand should be taught to the individual to carve his or her own path universaly, but even then its never certain of the path for not everyone is ment for the same mindset. (example) child raised to carve their own path and finds his/her truth in satanism, then that is their truth. Though i do find the Brotherhood of the A'.'A'.' way of find truth a bit more personal and unique, which is to focus inward while clearing all thought and "impression" of whatever it was you beleived in, it didnt matter, the practice of it was to clear impression's and thought patterns so one can reach truth without influence of religion (in a rough discription) and when reached to the inward point, turns into complete bliss(enlightenment).

But! enlightenment is not the highest point one can reach, but is of a greater advantage to reach greater stages of power, mind, higher realms, there is no end, even ascension to become a god is another stage, its not everything, even to the Druids the gods arent everything, all powerfull spirits that which control all.

As earth, animals, humans, the mind, consciousness and universe evolve, there is no limit, for their is always something new.

energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only changed and or manipulated.

 

[restin]

First of all, pagan religions do not exist. This is a Christian term that includes all politheistic religions, which is stupid. You just cannot compare the Native American religion with the Nordic one, or the Greek with the Hindu. I, other than CM, believe that we can learn a lot from these religions. We all know the Greek myth and if the stories are read metaphorically, they have a deep wisdom of life. Long ago, I read a book about the nordic runes. It was really fascinating, not only the Nordic mythology but also their writing contains so much knowledge and wisdom! Every line of the rune is intention. While most people call them barbarians, they are not, they were philosophers. I will post the name of the book soon if you like. We can even say, that "pagan" religions were quite near to todays science, they worked in the same way: observation, cause and effect.

As for Christianity, I will watch your links soon, CM. And if analyzing the New Testament, we may never forget 343 - This was the meeting of Nicaea, if I remember right, where the whole future of Christianity was set. King Constantine and his buddys then decided which books of Christ should be saved and which should be burnt or excluded.

And for Christianity, two things are important: that it is a monotheistic religion, and that the center of creation is man, and not nature. Especially the second is still central for today's view of life! Therefore Christianity brought an important reformation in the west, it lay the fundament of the Enlightenment Era that was the next important step in the history of the West. Pagan: nature > man. Christianity: man > nature. If you like it or not, this absolutely central thought has lay the fundament for what we nowadays call civilisation. Therefore, in my opinion, although I am quite sure, Christianity is less a spiritual path, it is no religion, but a philosophy. It is a philosophy of life, not death. Just look at Adam and Eve, paradise (=happiness) lies in the simplicity, ""stupidity"" of man and not in knowledge. And it is true! Look at how much we know now and how unhappy we are! How many psychiatrists we need. And that's where the Enlightenment and Christianity split. Enlightenment = thought and knowledge.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You just cannot compare the Native American religion with the Nordic one, or the Greek with the Hindu. I, other than CM, believe that we can learn a lot from these religions.

I didn't say we can't learn anything from them.

 

[restin]

I didn't say you did :wink: I said (or at least wanted to do so) that the Christian Religion, especially in its earlier times, made up a term for all "unbelievers", paganism, and I said that this term is stupid.

 

[druglessdouglas]

"Yes people have their own truths, magus'es, satanist, luciferians, and the like that follow in the old systems, though neither of these has ever been more evoved then the mind of the celts, instead truths taken from each incorporated into the universal celtic mindset."

thanks very much. we do our best :wink: