Global Warming?

[Caduceus Mercurius]

as just trying to deliberately sabotaging the discussion.

A discussion cannot be sabotaged with arguments (rational or irrational, scientific or unscientific). A discussion simply means different points of view are exchanged, and a forum is simply a place where discussions take place.

From what I can ascertain, it seems you don't consider this thread or this forum a place to exchange ideas, but to achieve certain objectives. If you are here with a certain agenda (for example, spreading awareness on man-induced global warming), you are not really here to discuss but to preach. If you want to preach without interruption (so you don't have to tell people to fuck off etc.) or "sabotage" as you call it, then you'd better create your own website, book or magazine.

Forums, including this one, are by definition open to all. Whether you are right or wrong, you have no right to tell people to fuck off or offend them with harsh words ("FUCKTARD", "FAKE" etc.). You can do that on your own website, not on a public forum.

since this issue of global disruption, is able to undo all other issues (as in if we all die, who will smoke your cannabis which has been cultivated all over the world)?

The link I posted explained that the cultivation of cannabis can play an important role in avoiding the global disruption. You can't recover a rainforest very quickly, but you can grow enormous fields of cannabis, even in places where other plants will not grow very well. Like the trees in the rainforest hemp absorbs carbon dioxide, and helps to avoid erosion. And that's just one out of many ways it can contribute to a better environment. I wasn't referring to the psychoactive effects of cannabis, although that's another benefit.

But how will governments agree to plant millions of plants on their territory if cannabis is illegal? And how will cannabis ever become legal if the major religions and ideological systems continue to convince young people to join their ranks?

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[Forkbender]

Ignorance is no excuse.

It is not an excuse, but you can't blame someone for not seeing something, you can only help them see. Look at your own signature.

 

[buffachino]

Heartcore,

I agree with everything you said in relation to direly needed change.

So what are your qualms with me? (Seeing you quoted me)
I never said we can’t or shouldn’t do anything.
I never said that 2012 or any of the other occult prospects would be the answer.
I never said we haven’t been the prime cause behind fucking the environment.

I have said and I do say that we need more than merely demanding the already corrupt political/socioeconomic system to undertake superficial concessions as a reactionary substitute to actually facing the basis of these overwhelming issues.
This is what I mean when I say fragmentary action against symptoms (such as reaching emissions targets in 12 years time) alone isn’t the answer. Yes, short term measures at inciting widespread change are needed, I fully support and respect these efforts, but more needs to be considered.

A base shift in the psychological and social fabric of humanity is required.

Methods such as activism, lobbying, social and political coercion are part of the way forward, we need to expand awareness, but disjointed attacks on the vast plethora of symptoms that stem from the unanimous egocentrism within mankind are like using a toothbrush to clean up after an oil spill.

I just want to see these efforts culminated, and together we can face the issue that affects all of these problems in the psychological, cultural, societal and environmental fields as one.

Hostility is hardly productive, in either discussion, or reaching an acknowledged consensus.

 

[st.bot.32]

I just want to see these efforts culminated, and together we can face the issue that affects all of these problems in the psychological, cultural, societal and environmental fields as one.

Hostility is hardly productive, in either discussion, or reaching an acknowledged consensus.

Anybody ever read this article (which I think is really brilliant) written by a british activist after a worldwide protest against capitalism? Not directly related to environmental activism (although he makes passing references), but I think he makes a lot of points that are quite applicable. These are things I've thought a lot about myself.. how to make change effectively!

"Give up Activism!": http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no9/activism.htm

 

[Forkbender]

^didn't come across it before, but it's a lotus in the mud!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Wow, thanks for posting that! That article eloquently describes what I don't like about HeartCore's attitude when he gets into his activist mode and what I've been trying to point out to him in this thread.

 

[Brugmansia]

Hostility is hardly productive, in either discussion, or reaching an acknowledged consensus.

 

[GOD]

The article is very long and over complicated . They could have said it in a much more understandable way . They are talking about playing the game to beat the game . Middle class tibet demonstrators who wank their egos and nothing changes . Professional G8 demonstrators arguing about why people are waveing . All poeople who collect money from gulable , loving people who realy want change , social justice and then go on holiday to G8 protests .

"A real revolution will involve the breaking out of all preconceived roles and the destruction of all specialism - the reclamation of our lives. The seizing control over our own destinies which is the act of revolution will involve the creation of new selves and new forms of interaction and community. 'Experts' in anything can only hinder this."

Wow !!! Pol pot lives.......


"Part of being revolutionary might be knowing when to stop and wait. It might be important to know how and when to strike for maximum effectiveness and also how and when NOT to strike. Activists have this 'We must do something NOW!' attitude that seems fuelled by guilt. This is completely untactical."

Is what i`m saying about demos , petitions , churches and referendums . We should only be doing things that have a chance of sucess . Not scratching our arses for world peace .

The article doesnt realy say what we can do it just trashes all the atempts that have been made . So its not realy constructive . Its also to based in leftwing / anarchist theory . People are people and get frightened of by political dogmas and articles framed in words that sugest intelectual eliteism or afiliation to stereotype outdated political theorys .

 

[druglessdouglas]

RIOT, THE UNBEATABLE HIGH,
ADRENALINE SHOOTS YOUR NERVES TO THE SKY...
...TOMOROW YOUR HOMELESS
TONIGHT ITS A GAS.

the police keep demonstrators in the less important neighborhoods.
you wont get within 3 miles of the people you want to "discuss" climate change with and if it all kicks off, which it does they herd everyone into the more disposable neighbourhoods.
education and quiet manipulation of the Gestalt, the uberconciousness, public opinion, or however you model it.
people hate being told what to do. its much better to let them believe it was all their idea.

 

[Forkbender]

The article doesnt realy say what we can do it just trashes all the atempts that have been made . So its not realy constructive . Its also to based in leftwing / anarchist theory . People are people and get frightened of by political dogmas and articles framed in words that sugest intelectual eliteism or afiliation to stereotype outdated political theorys .

Agreed, but it poses some nice observations. Only with clear sight can one "be doing things that have a chance of sucess." Seeing that professional activists are part of the problem, and that ego-games are infused everytime there is a form of specialization that people identify with too much, can really help in envisioning a new way. I wouldn't call it destructive, but rather deconstructive, showing that our old ways won't work.

It may be an elitist article, but it is addressed to those who think of themselves as elite-activists, it is not a general manifesto. So it is elitist in a way, but tries to overcome this elitism from the inside.

Now let's stop talking about it, because now we are again trying to destruct something (the article) instead of creating something new.

 

[GOD]

Is "The riot reenactment society" still going in the Ununited Kingdom ?

 

[druglessdouglas]

Is "The riot reenactment society" still going in the Ununited Kingdom ?

not much recently. its all @pathy in uk now days

thats from a dead kennedys song

funnily enough my good friends dotter is a pig. she covered the G8 at gleneagles.
her superior walked her up a hill in the dark, said "wait there, ill get you a torch" and forgot about her for 12 hours. she had to make her own way home.
as organised as ever. thats why i fear them so much, organisational skills like that

 

[GOD]

You have to kill old ideas to make place for new ones . I wasnt slaging the article i was just saying political dogma frightens joe public off . We need to formulate things easily so that everyone can understand and identify themselves with the solutions .......... But i wasnt going to talk about that in public was i ..........

 

[druglessdouglas]

and i agree. education is the key. people are ignorant of what global warming means, especially if you tell them the temp may rise 3~5C they cant see what harm it could cause. if you warn them their car may blow away as a result, or their house may end up with half a meter of sea living in it, maybe you get their attention for 5 minutes.

remind them almost all nuclear powerstations are on the coast and it takes 50 years to decommision them

surely it will sink in eventually. im glad i dont have kids

 

[GOD]

How many times did they change the name of "Doomray" ??? 4 - 5 - 6 ??? So no one asociates it with all the acidents that they have had there anymore .

 

[druglessdouglas]

thats selafield/windscale they changed the name of. doomray is being dismantled as we speak. problem is there is a 20m deep pit they have no idea whats in it. they know there is 60 nukes worth of weapons grade uranium, cobalt, plutonium and all sorts but they have lost the records. a couple of years ago they injected GROUT into the cracks in the rock because it was oozing a bit
every day they pick up pieces of fuel rod (!!??) from the nearby beaches.
the pit explodes from time to time so they have a fence around it now to keep all the bad radiation in. so thats ok then

 

[GOD]

Climate Change Could Stop Yellowstone Geyser Eruption - Global warming linked to geyser activity

A new study conducted between 1998 and 2006 indicates that the eruption patterns of geysers in the Yellowstone National Park, US are slowing down and could even stop as a result of global warming. Temperature readings performed on five of the geysers in the famous national park show that two of the best known of them, Old Faithful and Daisy Geyser, have decreased their eruption intervals from one hour and fifteen minutes to one hour and thirty one minutes and from one hour and forty minutes to two hours and fifty minutes respectively.

"Geysers are different from steam vents, mud pots, and hot springs - they have eruptions. We wanted to know if we could learn something about Yellowstone's hydrothermal system by analyzing the intervals between these eruptions," said Shaul Hurwitz of the U.S. Geological Survey in Menlo Park, lead author of the study.

Although there is still much to learn about geysers and how they are influenced by climate changes, the eruption trends indicate at least some links between the two. Old Faithful for example, as its name suggests, is famous for its eruption regularity, although changes in variables such as water supplies, heat, rock fractures or even small scale could easily alter the eruption patterns and size.

Also, the study found that low levels of precipitation in the states of Wyoming, Montana and Idaho easily affect the activity of geysers in the Yellowstone National Park, having significant impact especially during long dry spells. "As the region went into a drier climate, all intervals got longer," Hurwitz said.

Even more curious is the fact that the geysers in Yellowstone respond differently to precipitations in the immediate vicinity of the park, although they all seemed to decrease their eruption patterns in the last decade or so. This basically implies that as less and less precipitations fall as a result of global warming, the geysers will erupt at ever increasing intervals of time, until they will eventually stop altogether.

"This study shows that changing the ability of water to recharge the geyser affects eruptions. Perhaps this too is how distant earthquakes affect eruptions - by changing the ability of surrounding water to recharge the geyser," said Michael Manga of the University of California.

"While the effects of short-term climate fluctuations do not appear to be too significant, longer-term climate change looks like it can have a big effect on geysers," he said. "This could be bad news for tourism," added geophysicist Ken Verosub also from the University of California. Neither Manga nor Verosub participated in the study.

 

[GOD]

In germany there is a comercial neuclear dump where the barrels are leaking and water is comming in and contaminating the whole dump . They are sugesting flooding it to stop contaminated water getting into nature !!!!

 

[druglessdouglas]

ship the contaminated water to yellowstone to combat global warming monoatomic chocolate elf shakras traveling to 2012 on stolen ufo molly time machines. then our problems will go away.
if we are lucky the jellystone caldera will pop plunging us into another icy stone age. its about due to hapen. maybe thats why the geisers are erratic.

i hope so