Global Warming?

[Subtle_Nod]

Nah not really, that's culture talking. We need (and are going to) get rid of the body. That's our only hope, get rid of the body, live virtual, act out all our stupidity and idioticies virtual, and please leave this and other planets be.

Human beings wanting to colonize other planets, seriously need some ego smashing...

I'll try not to sound like an ass, but that sounds a little over the top for what I actually said.

1: Ego smashing? I never said I would do it, or I would be the great messiah of doing it.

Let's face it, we are sitting ducks here. Hell, look long enough into the future and the sun will die. This planet is NOT a forever thing.

Buddhists are quite strong in their belief that "Everything changes". That includes the existance of this planet. It won't last eternity. Nothing does.

It is not Cultural either. It comes from having to prepare for when bad things happen and knowing at least SOME bad things are GUARANTEED to happen on Earth given a long enough time frame.

2: You can't know people can never leave this planet or that in 10,000 years they should not. I mean this observationally, it is not meant to cause offence - it takes a lot of ego to think that you can know the future of the entire universe so intimately.

You could draw parallels between my predictions and yours, but the main difference is that I am not giving you an oppinion as much as an assesment - the sun will die. No debate needed here. I do risk assesments all the time, all my work is mirrored offsite - if my office blows up and I survive, equipment be damned, we can have everything back up somewhere else within the hour on fresh PCs.

This is not unusual. Most places use some sort of disaster recovery for their data. Long gone are the days where if your bank's office blew up they forgot about your loan.

I imagine ALL KNOWN LIFE is worth more than a few hours of my time and a record of who owes what to whom, I merely suggest that we acknowledge this planet is not forever and if we never leave it, we die with it.

3: I can not tell you HOW we will come to collonise other planets. I can't claim knowledge there. I would not presume it. That is not my role here. If I was capable of doing it now, I would not be posting here. If the human race could do it successfully now, we would already have the Coca Cola planet and the Starbucks galaxy.

4: We definately do contribute something to global warming.

5: I don't think it will kill the whole planet. Might kill a lot of things on it, including people, likelyhood is, once the people start dying polution will start going down and the planet will stabalise itself. I do not think this is a solution by any means. I would just like to be clear I think we could be faced with extinction of some species, possibly us. If we die, we will be replaced given a long enough period of time.

6: The way we live now is definitely not sustainable. I agree.

7: I don't think we should give a real crap about global warming. I think if we live properly, polution will not be an issue. Tackling global warming is no better than telling them Big Macs are not healthy and then seeing them switch to KFC instead. If we fix global warming we will still have to deal with the fact we are not living in balance with the rest of the planet anyway.

Fix the imbalance, global warming is a non-issue. Otherwise we tackle the bee shortage next, the fish shortage, hell, soon there won't be any trees either.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Holy crap Subtle_Nod!
That was beautiful! rayer:

 

[Brugmansia]

Despite the fact that I fully agree with has been said above in 7 parts. Heartcore still has a point as well, though.

The global warming causes a lot more suffering in area's which are already crowded with a lot of misery.

In fact, many area's in Africa or India will be seperated from access to drinkwater or even water in general. Or will have to deal with excessive rain which destroyes entire communities. Childeren will become orphan in traumatic families who are getting reduced in size through a slow painful death.

Though, the system capitalism will accept this to compensate their own falling back economy. That's why they don't act consequent. It'd cost a lot.

As a psychonaut, you 'feel' the suffering of others with much more hypersensation and it may come across as very harsh if you see that others don't have such empathy.

So he has a point. Since acting could be an opportunity to make the gap between capitalism and the third world smaller or at least prevent a forthcoming extention of this already huge sized gap. Which happens if this global warming issue is true and the act on it remains insufficient.

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[50-37-3]

Doubters please check out the broadcast of Democracy now about a massive conspiracy by power and oil companies to mislead the public of global warming. It starts after the headlines, if you scrub to minute 10 you are on the spot.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/3/stream

One lawyer making a case doesn't make it real.

Oh, and I want my hour back.

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[50-37-3]

Why don't you go fuck yourself?
(since you are a troll)

Clever.

Just trying to say that you're following the same tactics of disinformation that the people you're fighting are using. If you want to make a strong case, there is better data out there.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

btw here's a nice link about that guy Caduceus posted about:

What does the information on that page have to do with the things I posted here? Nothing. It's about some comet? He never talks about comets, so if he did, this must be something from before 2005.
Hm, indeed, this is from 2002... Can you maybe find anything more recent, and concerned with the topic at hand?
(edit: That link is really ridiculous. It's some weird UFO freaks dedicated to Zeta channeled through Nancy calling Mitch a disinformation agent for not agreeing with their beliefs...)

And whats most interesting, when I looked for his books on Amazon, there was a sponsored link from..... www.chevron.com

Surprise! Look for any book on 'global warming', or 'climate change', 'energy crisis' or even 'pollution' and you're likely going to find such sponsored links. You know how these things are conducted on the Internet nowadays. As an author you've got to list keywords for your book, and companies pay websites to show their advertisements for products with 'related content'. It's not a conspiracy, it's keyword mediated advertising.

I wonder why you're so bent on showing that Mitch is a disinformation agent.

Once again, the true origin of the climate change occuring throughout our solar system is the current phase of the sun cycle (Mitch Battros) or it's position within the larger universe (David Wilcock). This is inevitable, as shown by the Mayan calender. Human pollution is a problem, it is a shame, but it is not the sole or even the major cause of global warming. There ARE going to be major Earth changes. We must prepare for these changes, on different levels.

The sun cycle coming to an end in 2012 is the actual truth, human beings being the cause of temperature change is a distraction of the real issue, a form of disinformation if you will.

 

[HeartCore]

Ivar please go fuck yourself too you ignrorant prick.

Don't reply without even checking the story or the link. I checked your bullshit story as well.

The sun cycle coming to an end in 2012 is the actual truth, human beings being the cause of temperature change is a distraction of the real issue, a form of disinformation if you will.

And you have shit for brains, this remark proves it without a doubt.

In the name of the future of my kids, why don't you REALLY go fuck yourself.

People like you frustrate change.

Makes me sad really.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302 ... ing02.html

Their conclusions: Evidence of climate warming is unequivocal (that means without a doubt).

But you chose to believe one retard who believes 2012 is actually causing global warming. I never ever thought I was going to say this to anyone but you really should stay the fuck away from drugs.

Check that bullshit story you came up with, with the thousands of reports that say the opposite.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... g_deniers/

But I do think the scientific community, the progressive community, environmentalists and media are making a serious mistake by using the word "consensus" to describe the shared understanding scientists have about the ever-worsening impacts that human-caused greenhouse gas emissions are having on this planet.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/04/su ... cause.html

Sunspots don't cause global warming, people do
Posted by Cory Doctorow, April 4, 2008 4:50 AM | permalink
Climate change denialists like to cite Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark's theory that global warming is caused by sunspots in excusing the ongoing de-terraforming of the Earth (Svensmark's work was the basis for a film called "The Great Global Warming Swindle"); but research from Lancaster University undermines Svensmark's conclusions.

The idea is that variations in solar activity affect cosmic ray intensity.

But Lancaster University scientists found there has been no significant link between them in the last 20 years.

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007 ... tween.html

No Link Between Cosmic Rays and Global Warming
By Fraser Cain EmailJuly 03, 2007 | 5:13:36 PMCategories: Climate, Space

Cosmicrays The scientific consensus is in: human-produced carbon dioxide is causing a rise in temperatures across the planet. There are still those who reject the evidence that humans have an impact on global temperatures, and instead maintain that natural processes are at the root.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/apr/ ... uld-be-on/

GLOBAL WARMING: The Burden of Proof Should Be on Doubters
No competent scientist can deny that doubling the concentration of atmospheric CO2 will trap an additional 4 watts per square meter as a greenhouse effect. All arguments are about the consequences.

Let's face it, we are sitting ducks here. Hell, look long enough into the future and the sun will die. This planet is NOT a forever thing.

The fact that we are sitting ducks, does not change the fact that human lifeforms are not capable to make journeys in space far enough to reach any possible spot that would be safe for a planetary catastrophe. I know that most of us are spoiled by decades of SF movies and novels and that it's convenient to believe that 'science will figure out a way to cross that barrier'. If enough time is given, it will, but the solution will be in the lines of 'changing our form in such a way, that crossing the barrier is possible'. In other words, a form not reliant on big spaceships that take forever to even reach the edge of our solar system,

7: I don't think we should give a real crap about global warming. I think if we live properly, polution will not be an issue. Tackling global warming is no better than telling them Big Macs are not healthy and then seeing them switch to KFC instead. If we fix global warming we will still have to deal with the fact we are not living in balance with the rest of the planet anyway.

The issue with global warming, as most scientists who actually make a living out of it can tell you, is that because of the disinformation (stating we are not responsible), is causing a status quo in the world where people don't demand action from their government.

I spent considerable time last year during which I worked for Equilife (which didn't actually became realized but that's another story), into really informing myself about the issue of global warming and it's causes. There is a lot of disinformation, its as confusing as the psychedelic/drugs issue but then again, ignorance is no excuse and in issues as important as this one for us, my kids, your kids etc makes me react strong on bullshit and uneducated arguments.

As was mentioned before, deniers already frustrated change for twenty years, there is no doubt whatsoever about the fact that our style is adding greenhouse gasses and causing a big part of global warming.

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[BrainEater]

The sun cycle coming to an end in 2012 is the actual truth, human beings being the cause of temperature change is a distraction of the real issue, a form of disinformation if you will.

who knows ???? but then... it is already encrypted in ancient civilisation's calendars for example.... it might be falsly interpreted, too....

The sun cycle as it is now seems to be coming to an end which is another way to say that the cycle is changing or there is a different cycle coming.

I mean cycles can't have an end just because they are cycles, but if you look at them as spirals it is cycles still, but cycles with a momentum and a "path".


that's the most natural thing i can think of. (cycling of planets, stars, etc. ) the universe is ancient and accordingly ancient is it's design, but it doesn't make a change to the fact, that it is genuine.

somehow the universe seems to have intentions and considering that it is supposed to look (and function) like neurons in a brain; maybe it is a brain.

peace

 

[HeartCore]

who knows ????

Sigh.

WE know man.....we as a species know, all our best people agree on that with the exception of a few oddballs and some powers that have much to loose financially by this truth to allow it reaching it's rightful place: part in our collective consciousness so we can finally work together and solve this thing (if its still possible).

The conservative stance on the issue is that we are 90% sure that humans are causing it.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

HeartCore, you seem to have a serious problem distinguishing opinions from people. Why do you always have to verbally assault those who don't agree with you? Whomever taught you to do this, please consider that it might be an undesirable character trait and try to get rid of it.

 

[BrainEater]

who knows ????

Sigh.

WE know man.....we as a species know, all our best people agree on that with the exception of a few oddballs and some powers that have much to loose financially by this truth to allow it reaching it's rightful place: part in our collective consciousness so we can finally work together and solve this thing (if its still possible).

The conservative stance on the issue is that we are 90% sure that humans are causing it.

humans are not causing it. they contribute to the climate change, which is everpresent. but then.... climate change isn't always like THIS... but well there have been catastrophes all the time.... but the probability for catastrophes is higher with the coming climate change.

and yes. WE as a species need to understand that if we want to continue living on a living planet, we got to do somethin' or/and don't do other things.

else our species will soon live on a dead planet.

peace

 

[Dantediv86]

oh man! there is no such thing as a dead planet untill it's core is frozen. our planet has still a lot of time to live even if we were to wipe out all life from it....giving it its right time, i'm 100000000% sure life will come out again.

 

[Lion]

watch national geographic right now!

 

[Dantediv86]

sorry man
i don't have satellite TV....

 

[GOD]

The majority of serious scientists say the climate collaps is proved , and anyone who argues against that with 2012 fantasys disqualifys themselves .

I think whenone is as old as HeartCore and has had to witness so much bullshit in life eventualy it pisses one off how blind people can be sometimes .

But ironic , two 2012 nutters arguing against eachother and the one throws the other 2012 in the face............

 

[Brugmansia]

Ivar please go fuck yourself too you ignrorant prick.

And you have shit for brains, this remark proves it without a doubt.

In the name of the future of my kids, why don't you REALLY go fuck yourself.

People like you frustrate change.

Makes me sad really.

[/quote]

Slow down a bit man. It's not like others have to agree with your vision to guarantee a non-sad inner life for yourself.

A psychonaut knows for sure more than anyone else that NOTHING can be taken for real or as the truth for evermore. It's a matter of seeing it yourself.

There fore, one can only speculate to determine an assumption of what's coming. But nothing as in terms of 'without a doubt this will be the truth'. Let alone pushing it through some else's head against his own will.

Ivar is just a different thinker than you are in this debate, you can't ask him to shut his mouth can you? That'd be censorship.

 

[GOD]

Lets all strip off and beat ourselves with wet fish and the last person standing has won.............