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Subtle_Nod a dit:
Flowers don't need to be beautiful. Doesn't mean that they aren't. There's abundance everywhere you bother to look; the world isn't built on mere necessity.
Do plants have consciousness?:)
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Flowers don't need to be beautiful. Doesn't mean that they aren't. There's abundance everywhere you bother to look; the world isn't built on mere necessity.
This is true. Why do some of the Earths organisms built the way they are? Flowers don't have to be beautiful and perfect; humans don't need colour for surivial. Why did 'the other' give us and other organisms certain abilites that are not for our surival? Maybe they will become useful later in life?
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Forkbender a dit:
That is true. In survival beauty isn't a necessity, yet it's found a lot in nature.
If you are willing to accept that plants do have a consciousness, and my opinion on this is that there are different layers of awareness, then the next one is: what about Earth? what about stars? they grow and die.
I mean, we are aware that we are aware, and we see plants and they are so quiet and apparently still that we can't help but think that we are somehow on a higher level than them. So what about the consciousness of our own Sun?
I know this is the false sense of hierarchy Fork mentioned, but if there's no hierarchy then it seems like we are different from everything else... perhaps Fork himself can explain what he thinks...
I mean, we are aware that we are aware, and we see plants and they are so quiet and apparently still that we can't help but think that we are somehow on a higher level than them. So what about the consciousness of our own Sun?
I know this is the false sense of hierarchy Fork mentioned, but if there's no hierarchy then it seems like we are different from everything else... perhaps Fork himself can explain what he thinks...
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Forkbender a dit:
That's not strictly true. A lot of flowers look the way they look to attract pollinators, they NEED to look that way. Some flowers LITERALLY smell like shit to attract flies that eat it because they need it for pollination.
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Subtle_Nod a dit:Forkbender a dit:
That's not strictly true. A lot of flowers look the way they look to attract pollinators, they NEED to look that way. Some flowers LITERALLY smell like shit to attract flies that eat it because they need it for pollination.[/quote:2jqozqzj]
You are missing the point, but still you got a point there!
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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???????? a dit:If you are willing to accept that plants do have a consciousness, and my opinion on this is that there are different layers of awareness, then the next one is: what about Earth? what about stars? they grow and die.
I mean, we are aware that we are aware, and we see plants and they are so quiet and apparently still that we can't help but think that we are somehow on a higher level than them. So what about the consciousness of our own Sun?
I know this is the false sense of hierarchy Fork mentioned, but if there's no hierarchy then it seems like we are different from everything else... perhaps Fork himself can explain what he thinks...
Yes, missed this post.
I think everything that exists is consciousness. There is no more or less. Some people pretend there is and make themselves feel on top of the world by doing so, but that is just a form of delusion. Just because we cannot communicate with some form of life or some object we consider dead, doesn't mean it is not conscious. What I encounter in the world I think I am conscious of, is just there because of consciousness. I don't think consciousness is a personal property that one can possess. It is more like life itself, it just is, without you having to do anything for it.
On my last acidtest I had the opportunity to see myself and what I think of as 'my consciousness' from the bigger picture. I zoomed out on life, the universe and time, still being conscious, but not being 'me'. I saw myself as part of a fractal, just a thing that closes itself of from the world and pretends it is the only thing that is real. I came to the conclusion that consciousness is bigger than me, that 'I' am just swimming in a sea of consciousness pretending to be the sea.
So in my experience, stars, rocks, plants, animals, insects, bacteria, mountains, everything is the way consciousness manifests itself.
I think the better question would be, "How do plants experience their consciousness in comparsion to our own. Why does it differ from our human consciousness? Can humans 'cross' consciousness with plants and have a breif glimpse of their consciousness; if so, how?"
How do you know? Just because plants do not have the specific features that humans do for memory means they have no memory? What if the plants have trancended into another realm that we cannot percieve. If they do not have memory, maybe they only live in 'the now' or the present moment, with no worrying about the future, or the past, because they cannot comphrend either; sometimes wish I could do that
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Maybe, there is no real way to tell. Psilocybin is a unique chemical only found in certain mushrooms. There are so many possiblities. Maybe some other being sent Psilocybin to Earth to 'enlighten' us. (there is a lot to say about this but I won't go into depth). Also maybe you are only experiencing the mushrooms consciousness. What about the non-psychoactive plants? How does one experience their consciousness?
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