DMSO (for restoring health)

[Pariah]

Note: this thread was created by Caduceus Mercurius, because the Islam thread was going way off topic. It starts with Pariah's reaction to a post by Ahuayenjxs.

Caduceus


...where to start with charley's post...

Whats wrong with preventative medicine? I know there are ethical issues that need to be taken into consideration, but stopping infections before they happen is much more sensible than throwing rescue remedy (or whatever's fashionable these days) at it.

Can you really picture a doctor delivering a baby boy and saying in response to the parents who want him circumsized: "sorry, that would interfere with his holographic potential."

Where does that mentality stop? are you allowed to cut the umbilical cord, or should you just smother the rotting placenta in cannabis oil? "insulin for diabetes?, pfft try my new miracle cure! - just rub a small amout on your temples when your having a diabetic stroke."


Anyway, having a few less nerves "down there" has other advantages in the sack :wink:
...*sigh* sorry... how come we always end up talking about penises... it can't be healthy.

Urgh, thats all off topic, probably all belongs in the miracle cannabis thread....


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[Pariah]

:lol:

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"Angina pectoris, chest pain due to ischemia (a lack of blood and hence oxygen supply) of the heart muscle "

that is the medical term for what most people call "angina" the others are usually not used by the general public.

 

[restin]

funny, it indeed is used differently in English. In German, Angina = tonsillitis.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

First you'd have to get on live grains (especially lots of oats and buckwheat and sesame), and eat a huge bowl of it morning and night, then buy a good juicer... not a cheap one that you have to cut your things before putting them in... something like a powerjuicer where you can raise up in the morning and put in a cucumber, two carrots, a turnip, a lime, an apple and a beet ; and drink that. The pulp is usually discarded (it's an impressively small amount) in a container that you can use to make salsa and stuff with it.

Yeah you put whole fruits in there with skin and all (washed of course) and I'd remove hard bits if you plan on using the pulp. Organic fruits are better of course.

Then I would put ecdysterone and ginko extract in diluted DMSO and rub that on my chest a few times a day. Take l-carnitine 500 mg, and arginine 500 mg (3 times a day), take chlorella, take EPA-DHA, maybe a little vinpocetine wouldn't hurt either.

I think that would pretty much take care of that, while giving you an inumerable amount of other benefits.

Edit : well that would work with tonsilitis but I would also gargle with some of that diluted DMSO too. But don't forget to eat good live yoghourt with lots of probiotics and try to gargle with that too periodically, you're very happy if those bacteria get in those little corners

 

[restin]

thanks.

Then I would put ecdysterone and ginko extract in diluted DMSO and rub that on my chest a few times a day. Take l-carnitine 500 mg, and arginine 500 mg (3 times a day), take chlorella, take EPA-DHA, maybe a little vinpocetine wouldn't hurt either.

Where can I get these?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I'll send you a message about that, I wouldn't want to ball up the thread it was all nice and floaty, and I'm not sure were allowed to give commercial sources.

 

[Pariah]

"In German, Angina = tonsillitis."

hm, didn't know that

You learn something new everyday I guess!


Couldn't you just blast tonsilitis with a run of penicillin?

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Alright... here goes:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion" .... "to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."


Can we agree on this statement?

I've already put something similar in the "human rights" thread, but I think its relevant here.

 

[restin]

"In German, Angina = tonsillitis."

hm, didn't know that Smile

You learn something new everyday I guess!


Couldn't you just blast tonsilitis with a run of penicillin?

I didn't know it was different in English So yes, you always learn. Yes, I will be getting antibiotica tomorrow but I will consider Ayas tipps as well - thanks

 

[Pariah]

I know its offtopic, but:

"...ecdysterone and ginko extract in diluted DMSO ...a few times a day ... l-carnitine 500 mg, and arginine 500 mg (3 times a day).... take chlorella, take EPA-DHA, ....vinpocetine "

I don't know about these, but I can't see why any of them would help. If you want something proven to have an effect that isn't a regular medical antibiotic, then I would suggest garlic / onions (assuming its a bacterial infection).

"Probiotics" ... No. the infection is *in* the tissues, and so requires chemicals to fight. upping the amount of bacteria in your mouth isn't going to do much (some create antibiotics themselves.... which begs the question: "why avoid antibiotics in the first place.")

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

and the middle east had fucked their own native people before that... lets NOT FORGET.

Karma is a WHEEL, not a cube. It goes round and round.

Pariah... still a little on edge about our confrontation, are we ?

I stated the bare minimum... those supplements will increase blood flow, quench free radicals, allow for better membrane elasticity and enhance the activity of the immune system.

Of course you can juice onions and garlic too, with other stuff it dosen't taste as bad as it would seem. Especially citrus balances the taste of onion and garlic juice.

I'm not saying probiotics will cure the infection, it's just DMSO will kill bacteria in the tissue, so you need to replendish the surface coating if you don't want remaining bacteria to take a foothold on the tonsils. (we all know it hurts more on the surface than when it's hidden inside)

See what I mean now ? You could have just added on my suggestions.

 

[Pariah]

DMSO increases tissue permeability doesn't it? - the very thing that would help an infection spread, DMSO is also used as *negative*(!!) control in MIC's - the test we do to determine how useful an antibiotic may be.

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"Geert Wilders wanted to show Fitna in the House of Lords."

We had a similar situation (on a smaller scale) at my british Uni: the BNP wanted to take part in debates about asylum seakers among other things, and there was a bit of controversy about that. I personally think it would have been good to let people show just how foggy the BNP world view is in a debate, but because people see them as insighting religious and racial hatred, they are wary of giving them to much room to breath.

Personally I think the same goes for this Geert character: let him in so we can show just what we think of his ideas: let him say his bit, then laugh him out of the country.

I assume the British government wouldn't allow admittance on the grounds of his insighting intolerence, is that the case, or something unrelated?

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"We're not blaming Islam, nor Mohammed, nor any religion in particular. The mess we're in was nobody's fault in particular, some things are just unavoidable, with the Ice Ages and aliens (?) messing things up and all. But we have to be realistic about the present. We shouldn't make religion, or any religion in particular, our enemy, but like I said we can try to reduce their negative impact on modern society and the next generation. Encouraging moderate forms of Christianity and Islam is one way to go, helping people disentangle themselves from these belief systems altogether is another."

Now *that* makes sense to me, thanks. (well, apart from the bit about aliens :lol: )

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

DMSO increases tissue permeability for molecules under 1000 MW... bacteria are in the millions, what are your sources ?

I'm interested because DMSO is purported to be antibacterial on its own and I've used it to keep my own teeth infection under control for months, on my way to healing. It's even used sometimes to carry antibiotics into the tissues, so I doubt it has such a negative influence ; I would have noticed it !

Whats does MIC stand for ?

 

[zezt]

DMSO increases tissue permeability for molecules under 1000 MW... bacteria are in the millions, what are your sources ?

I'm interested because DMSO is purported to be antibacterial on its own and I've used it to keep my own teeth infection under control for months, on my way to healing. It's even used sometimes to carry antibiotics into the tissues, so I doubt it has such a negative influence ; I would have noticed it !

Whats does MIC stand for ?

IF you want to discuss this, please start another thread? It has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread. If I was mod I would take all the posts of this subject out of this one and put them somewhere till you--the ones discussing it-- decided what you wanted to title your new thread to put them in.

 

[Administrator]

This thread was split from the Danger of Islam! thread.

CM @ Ground Control

 

[GOD]

Who decided on the missleading title for this thread ?

 

[restin]

oh no, our plan to destroy the other threat was prevented (joke) :lol:

Of course you can juice onions and garlic too, with other stuff it dosen't taste as bad as it would seem. Especially citrus balances the taste of onion and garlic juice.

So are your supplements as good as or better than garlic etc?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I would definately suggest to begin with natural things like garlic and live grain, as you get your antibiotic treatment. If it dosen't work then maybe you could explore the other modalities, or if you have enough money you could experiment and see.

It would definately help however, but its hard to tell, your tonsils might be responding to an infection in your teeth roots or some other places in your body, they are the body's bodyguard.

But usually if they hurt it's because they're infected too...

 

[Pariah]

MIC means "Minimum Inhibitory Concentration" - the lowest concentration at which a compound prevents growth of a microorganism.


DMSO changes ceramides' fluidity / permeability, the ceramides are in the cell membrane *and* in the extracellular fluid, the later would affect how well *large* objects travel through it (I admit this is just me theorising)- allowing them to get deeper into tissues than would otherwise be the case.

http://www.cell.com/biophysj/abstract/S0006-3495(07)71460-1

The "tissue" permeability I think you are refering to is the actual cell membrane, which bacteria on the most part don't want to get through.


DMSO is an amasing substance, and according to the literature does have some activity in an antimicrobial setting, but its suitability in various applications should be measured against other existing methods of treatment, not hailed as a cureall without being questioned.


also solid evidence of *Virus* problems:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/j54r63066068h336/

http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstr ... 82629.html

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Well in those articles they talk about 1% DMSO... I see how it can enhance the virus assembly by augmenting their flexibility, but it will also enhance the white blood cells in the same way.

No the figures are for skin and mucosa membranes, with DMSO molecules under 1000 MW can pass through much easier, that also includes essential oil antivirals... I never use DMSO alone I think it feels sterile and feels not quite right.

With a little honey, quite a bit of tea tree oil, some grapefruit seed extract however, it feels truely disinfecting, I used it to speed up healing of wounds.

I also used DMSO while having a flu, and instead of seeming to help the virus it quite killed it ; if you gargle with it you can literally feel it penetrate deep into tissue, kills the pain and after a few treatments the skin takes back its pink color and the infection seems to be gone.

Thats my experience with it, you're right in saying it's not a cureall however, it only helps the medicine get where it matters without harming biological processes, even helping them in a way.

But it must be used cautiously... it will not work for anything and in any dosages.

 

[GOD]

"essential oil antivirals"

Please tell us more . How was it tested ? What virii ? Was it virii in lab glass or on human skin or in the human body ?

"quite a bit of tea tree oil,"

Please tell us more about that . I know it drys and cracks skin and that it is an iritant from personal experience .

Have you any sources of pertinent imformation for us please ?