Depression...again..

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I think he did not mean like it would do something wrong... more like it would work less good if you smoked, since cannabis is a strong serotonin modulator.

 

[Forkbender]

The only cure seems to be Love, and lots of it.

There's your answer: love yourself.

 

[atypical]

hey psychoid id like to know why 5-htp and cannabis are bad together too as ive been taking 5htp daily for 10-15 months now along with 0-5 sessions a day (avg 2) havent heard this before... sorry for offtopic question, but it has worked wonders for my the bad funks i used to get in, and i would second or third light therapy especially in the winter if you're in a climate where it's hard to be outside in the sun for long periods.
woulda also recommended kava kava as a replacement to cannabis if youre trying to cut back but i just found out the other day it has the potential for liver damage.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thats only if you had kava kava from a bad source that does not know how to prepare it traditionally.

It's one of those private funded studies used to discredit an AWESOME herb.

I'm glad I can give you good news

Find some kava with the outer bark taken out, thats where the bad liver stuff is, the middle white part is PURE GOODNESS.

Adranaline agonist... could be useful for so many people...

 

[imagine]

I just wanted to say that i hope you pull through.

 

[atypical]

cool cause ive only had the extracted kavalactone pills by pseudo-pharm companies just hard to find local canadian grown kava lol and no cc for int orders

 

[Psychoid]

About cannabis while on 5-HTP, it might have been because of my depressive state at the moment, but I found it fucked up my mood, I was either feeling really good full of energy, or depressed and apathic. Often having the two in the same day. It also fucked up my sleep, I would often wake up after 3-5 hours of sleeping and then only sleep by 15-45 minutes bits, which resulted in bad sleep and getting exhausted on the long run. That started after about 2 months of abusing 5-HTP by taking 50-200 mg before smoking, at the beginning once in a while, then once a day, and then everytime. And of course always 100 mg before going to bed. I stopped when I was constantly feeling depressed and 5-htp didn't seem to do anything to me except fuck up my sleep and maybe make me feel a bit better for 6-12 hours. But there was the not-fully-recovered depression, and some circumstances that also had a major role. But after I stopped, the sleeping problems persisted for at least a month, and it took some time before my mood reached an acceptable stability (I still have some periods where I feel a bit depressed, and others where I'm full of life and energy. I'm thinking it might be cyclothymia. I know it's not thyroïd problems).

Anyway, all the circumstances while I did mix cannabis and 5-HTP makes my case particular, so my experience might be unrelevant for people with healthy brains.

 

[restin]

sorry for not reading all the posts.

Erich Fromm differs between 3 ways of overcoming separateness from the world - one is conformity, another orgiastic states and the third is love.

Drugs are an orgiastic state and despite that I disagree with Fromms antipathy with drugs, I nonetheless agree with him that you cannot find happiness/overcome separateness from the world through drugs. Because drugs have only a temporal effect and you will not end your unhappiness with doing drugs once. So I would, I know it is hard, strongly recommend you to stay away from any kinds of drugs.

So yes, what stays is love. Love is an art so you will need to work hard to be able to love truly. Love yourself, love your nearest, love the world. Open yourself up, let the pain in so you can let love in as well.

 

[Psyolopher]

Sam-E can help... amino acids are a big help to a starving brain. Fish or Algae oil (DHA-EPA) too, make syou feel less "dried up"

Chlorella also seems to help me alot. Rhodiola Rosea...

www.emofree.com

magnesium supplements are relaxing, VERY helpful.

Indian music, dancing...

Sex can be good, in moderation... masturbation is definately a no-no when depressive... your dopamine and serotonin levels might be low, don't burn them up with too much sexual stimulation.

Don't forget to regulate your testosterone feedback however with a strong ejaculation (orgasm much reach brain and be achieved within 10-15 minutes with a strong erection) ; this must be done every 2-3 days ; I assume you're between 20-30. Badly balanced ejaculation frequency is often cause of depression, especially overejaculation.

lol@EMO FREE....just the title was funny.
Well, I cant just cut back on my favorite hobby(Masturbation)
No really, what i do is that i stop the sperm from ejecting so it goes into my system again and i get all the nutrition.
Check it out, its a point you push under your balls, push that spot until u find it. After years of this you will be able
to control your sperm without pushing on that point. Cool init.
Sex is not good in moderation, sex is good when its alot of it. In my opinion.
Its also good physical training,(depends on the partner really.)
Magnesium helps me physical state, not really my mental state.
Dancing, yeah i love that...or Raving in other words, when i can afford it im gonna go to yoga classes.
But yeah, most of the time I have no sex drive. I just dont feel like it.
Not to brag, its hard to find a good sex partner that can keep up with me...it just gets boring really.

The only cure seems to be Love, and lots of it.

There's your answer: love yourself.

I do, sometimes i dont.....strange.
Why isnt it easy to do it all the time?
teach me to love. There's nothing more than i'd want to than to be blind once again.

Exercise (running/cycling at an intensity so that you can proceed for about 1 hour, 4 times a week), sleep regulary 8 hours on the 24 hour time scale. Don't eat/drink sugars (fast carbs) or satured fats, get omega 3 fats, eats lots of green apples and broccolli, drink 2 liter water a day seperated through-out the day, eat garlic, basilicum, nutmeg (max. 2 gram a day), minimize salt intake.

Intake of cafeine and meat is what you have to decide for yourself through sensing it, but these play a role.

Quit all drugs, and merely do a light/medium dose San Pedro or Peyote. These will tell fanciful but gentle in all honesty how to cure yourself in the long-term.

I cant quit nicotine, but i've taken a stop for about a week and it gets easier everyday. I think less and less about it.
I've never done Peyote or Pedro, i'd like to try a traditional ceremony sometime. (Btw does it really heal?)
I dont take in caffiene, I just get headaches.....and i get more awake, then reaally tired....Coffee is a stronger drug than most think.

Thats only if you had kava kava from a bad source that does not know how to prepare it traditionally.

It's one of those private funded studies used to discredit an AWESOME herb.

I'm glad I can give you good news

Find some kava with the outer bark taken out, thats where the bad liver stuff is, the middle white part is PURE GOODNESS.

Adranaline agonist... could be useful for so many people...

Whats this Kava cure you're talking about? Can you give me more information(Link pherhaps?)

sorry for not reading all the posts.

Erich Fromm differs between 3 ways of overcoming separateness from the world - one is conformity, another orgiastic states and the third is love.

Drugs are an orgiastic state and despite that I disagree with Fromms antipathy with drugs, I nonetheless agree with him that you cannot find happiness/overcome separateness from the world through drugs. Because drugs have only a temporal effect and you will not end your unhappiness with doing drugs once. So I would, I know it is hard, strongly recommend you to stay away from any kinds of drugs.

So yes, what stays is love. Love is an art so you will need to work hard to be able to love truly. Love yourself, love your nearest, love the world. Open yourself up, let the pain in so you can let love in as well.

I look at psychedelics as tools, not just fun.
They have made me realise so many things. But in certain situations they cant help, like you said its temperarly.

I just wanted to say that i hope you pull through.

Thank you! =) I hope so to.



btw, i'd like to add more about my 'condition' to clear out confusion in here.
I get the most self-destructive at night/evenings.
I wonder about suicide, i've tried it before but loved ones stopped me. (Sent me to a hospital etc...)
I've basicly given up on life, but i try my best to find something to live for.
Something I will never give up on is the search for eternal bliss.
But sometimes it seems unreal.
I've been to many psychiatrists and psychologists, they're boring and didnt do shit for me....
So i was just playing tricks with thier heads, out of boredom really.
Also, i moved to Norway seeking jobs for 3 months now....Im on my limit, im thinking about giving up since I find jobs
boring pointless and a waste of time, but ofcourse i also need money.
My dream is to live of music and to be succesful there, but that dream seems to hard for me to make.
Anyway, do you think I could get economical support for being insane?(or suffering.)?
My plan was if i could get that, i'd make a daily rutine which includes exercise and music production (And the normal things like makin food and cleaning.)
It just seems so hard to find a job, now im getting afraid of going out there in the world really.
I dont have the strength to seek more jobs, its all so ...scary and pointless.

 

[restin]

I look at psychedelics as tools, not just fun.
They have made me realise so many things. But in certain situations they cant help, like you said its temperarly.

I did not speak against drugs in general. And as you see I used the word drugs and not psychedelics. There are 2 reasons why I think that drugs are a no-go during depressions:
1) During a depression you are emotionally vulnerable. And psychedelics are a strong emotional experience. Therefore, during depressions you can make too quick/wrong conclusions about your life and attach yourself too much on the psychedelic experience. It is difficult to differ so, it is hard, but better I think.
2) Nicotine, alcohol and also weed and other psychedelics can easily be misused as a means of escapism. Especially with psychedelics it is difficult to differ. The more you send yourself into an altered state of mind, the more it becomes normality, the more detached you are from reality and the more problems you will face in the end. Nicotine is a shitty drug anyway.

teach me to love. There's nothing more than i'd want to than to be blind once again.

Empty your cup of love. Empty your mind of everything you think love is. Love is without premise. Thinking that love is blind is wrong.

 

[st.bot.32]

My experience matches what restin is saying. Once I was on the mend, THEN a few trips provided me with some extra insights that helped me heal and find some new appreciation in life. When I was at my worst, I was quite irrational. My depression was also extremely severe, I think..

I remember smoking pot one night. The first hour or two was kind of fun, I hadn't smoked in a while so it was sorta visual and cool at first. Then as the peak started to fade, I emotionally cracked, hid away somewhere for a while, snuck out of my friends' house. Riding public transit home, it felt like the world was dying, I was withered, everything was absolutely hideous, it was beyond wanting to die to the point of just wanting to fade into some kind of detached purgatory. It's quite normal to perceive faces in objects and patterns, but everywhere I saw ugly faces of absolute despair.. there was no healing, just amplification of the negative to the extreme

It's important to know thyself when doing these substances. If you're so depressed that you are not rational enough to gauge yourself properly, better to abstain

 

[Psyolopher]

Love strikes the most when least expected, that is true.(for me atleast.)
And yes nicotine is a lame drug, but i've been smoking for years and i fucking love it.
I know the risks and whatnot, but i just dont give a fuck really, i like it to much.

Edit:
Yes I do need stronger, earth connection.
I am in space, wanting to return to home.

 

[random]

I read the whole thread, and there were advices and experiences told that already say much for themselfs.

I won't add anything special, but I will pick the last thing you said.

Remember, that you are already home.
Embrace it.
Don't let fear take over you. Try to figure out where all the negativity is coming from.

You will eventually find out that optimism, positivity and love toward life, and specially yourself, will overlap your depression and its causes.

"The quest is to be liberated from the negative, which is really our own will to nothingness. And, once having said yes to the instant, the affirmation is contagious. It bursts into a chain of affirmations that knows no limit. To say yes to one instant, is to say yes to all of existence."

- Waking Life

 

[Shake]

that holding your balls thing is bad for you dont do it any more

 

[Psychoid]

Love strikes the most when least expected, that is true.(for me atleast.)
And yes nicotine is a lame drug, but i've been smoking for years and i fucking love it.
I know the risks and whatnot, but i just dont give a fuck really, i like it to much.

Edit:
Yes I do need stronger, earth connection.
I am in space, wanting to return to home.

No drug on earth makes me more depressed than cigarettes. It's like sending me directly into an MDMA crash.

 

[Psyolopher]

I read the whole thread, and there were advices and experiences told that already say much for themselfs.

I won't add anything special, but I will pick the last thing you said.

Remember, that you are already home.
Embrace it.
Don't let fear take over you. Try to figure out where all the negativity is coming from.

You will eventually find out that optimism, positivity and love toward life, and specially yourself, will overlap your depression and its causes.

"The quest is to be liberated from the negative, which is really our own will to nothingness. And, once having said yes to the instant, the affirmation is contagious. It bursts into a chain of affirmations that knows no limit. To say yes to one instant, is to say yes to all of existence."

- Waking Life

I know, i know thanks though.
No matter how much I realise I still get stuck.
Im to much of thinker than a doer, i over think basic things.
Maybe thats the problem, hmmm. But due to economy i cant really do much.

Love strikes the most when least expected, that is true.(for me atleast.)
And yes nicotine is a lame drug, but i've been smoking for years and i fucking love it.
I know the risks and whatnot, but i just dont give a fuck really, i like it to much.

Edit:
Yes I do need stronger, earth connection.
I am in space, wanting to return to home.

No drug on earth makes me more depressed than cigarettes. It's like sending me directly into an MDMA crash.

REALLY? Actually i've heard that nicotine destroys energy....
Guess i should smoke less, because i really dont want to give it up before i get cancer.

that holding your balls thing is bad for you dont do it any more

I've heard otherwise.
Please explain why.
You really can feel that its different.
I dont do it everytime though.
But yeah, its not holding my balls....Its a spot under your balls that blocks the sperm for going to the penis....

 

[Psyolopher]

By the way.
Thank you so much for your advice and support.
You really are a bunch of kind people.

 

[st.bot.32]

No drug on earth makes me more depressed than cigarettes. It's like sending me directly into an MDMA crash.

It's done that to me as well on occasion--jittery, anxious and paranoid for 20-30 minutes afterwards. I find cigarettes quite unpredictable actually.

 

[Forkbender]

There's your answer: love yourself.

I do, sometimes i dont.....strange.
Why isnt it easy to do it all the time?

Because you don't like yourself and want to be different than you are now. = you cannot accept yourself for who you are. When you notice yourself doing it, ask yourself why.

 

[Psyolopher]

There's your answer: love yourself.

I do, sometimes i dont.....strange.
Why isnt it easy to do it all the time?

Because you don't like yourself and want to be different than you are now. = you cannot accept yourself for who you are. When you notice yourself doing it, ask yourself why.

That makes alot of sense, thank you for your wisdom.
I question myself, my methods and my life alot.
Guess i should stop that, or cut it down by 90%.