Depression...again..

[Psyolopher]

....yet another whiny topic.
Anyways, I've suffered from depression.
The only cure seems to be Love, and lots of it.

But i dont have that affection, and i've been drinking/smoking alot lately.
I feel liek a fucking bum, and i cant get a job.
Now bla bla bla bla....it would take time to write down everything.

But what the fuck do you do?

Regarding medication, i've tried alot of bullshit...it just messed with my brain.
I found something on here:
URB597
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URB597

Is this out on the market?
I'd like to try.

When i got alot of THC in my system, i feel like everything is exciting and fun.
Ofcourse, but I feel like i can do stuff more easily.
It seems like the best cure besides love for me, since i enjoy it so much.
But i cant afford it, and obviously its not accepted here.

So...I really REALLY suffer from it.
Its not just in my head, due to problems.
I honestly think its due to some fucked up brain chemistry.....
I just want to change, i dont want this to be like this.
I barely can do shit, i am in my own prison.
No matter how many times i realise the oposite, i always get stuck in this state of mind.

So...help.

 

[Guest]

Sorry for my poor language, i'm not very good in english.

When i feel like you do, and it happens regulary, lets say each two years, i'm searching for love and friends (very difficult to find), you're right on this point.

Don't try strange medicines, chemistry and stuff. It's maybe good for people who got serious mental disease but certainly not for depression. In my opinion. It makes things go worst.

Those periods for me are during 6 month to one year and it changes when i get a new job or meet new people (even one good friend of the opposite sex is enough for me)

I know it's difficult when everything drives you to be sad and lonely and strangely, it seems it happens more to nice and good people.

Thc is a way of evasion punctually but it makes things go worst too. Stop smoking please.

So my advice is to try to meet someone new. Keep cool.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Have you tried light therapy?

St. Jonswort?

Running?

 

[Psychoid]

All I can advise you is to stop taking drugs for at least a month, and eat healthy and plenty. And make sleeping well a high priority. Exercise, and meet new people. Do things you know you usually like, even if on the moment you don't feel like it. Don't let the lethargy possess you.

When I was depressive, THC made the pain more bearable while I was high, but on the long term it made it worse. I started getting better when I stopped smoking weed COMPLETELY. Even once a week slows the recovering dramatically. Or at least that was my experience.

 

[BrainEater]

hey mate sadly i am right there again too....

i'd say fuck antidepressants and fuck phrases like its my brain's chemistry fault... also if you really wanna solve it maybe stop smoking and drinking so much....

i know you have problems and this also seems to be a an influence in your mood... however by being depressed you won't solve your problems this u gotta realize or it is most likely more exhausting... i'm really in a similar situation.... money problems and everything else kinda shitty too so....

maybe you have to find the joy in you... joy to be alive and get back to loving yourself. i think you gotta love yourself before you can love another person really....


so i suggest stop smoking and drinking so much and eat well for regards of wellbeing of your body....


and for your mind you maybe have to learn more to observe it more and then when you see that your mind goes into the negative loop again (like when you start to get stuck in the mindstate), consciously think positively and really see that this negative thinking leads to nowhere really except of maybe making you more depressed.


i already sent you a PM ... if you want we can talk about it over skype or so and help each other! well anyways hope u get better soon and sadly i don't know much about the stuff you posted the link about so i can't say much about it, but i'd like to stay away from antidepressiva and this stuff ... so that's just my opinion maybe someone else knows better!!...


edit: i can sign what the guys above me wrote as well... sports can be good and eating well is important and also sleeping!


also i don't wanna say you can get rid of it easily by just choosing to not be depressed any more but i guess it is basically like this, yet probably it takes some time to dissolve the negative thought-patterns that have built up over time...

peace & lots of love mate!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[darkwolfunseen]

I hate to sound like an after-school special, but cut the alcohol. It's a depressant (although pot can make on lethargic), but particularly with alcohol, repetitive use can cause a back-log of detox. This means that literally, you'll have to quit for at least a month, which means no beer before bed, no shots, no wine with dinner, etc.

As for positives, exercise is the most basic, 5-Htp has been known to help, but must be taken at 50-100mg regularly before it starts working.

For me, hands down, the most positive has been Chlorella extracts (seaweed). For some reasons, chemically that's what helps me.

Also, for negative thoughts, don't try fighting them (exerts too much energy). Just grab a pen and some paper, and literally bleed it all out. It can take upwards of half an hour of just straight writing, no editing necessary.

Finally, chemical depression is a hard thing to fight without a doctor. However, if you look into the natural extracts try st. john's wart, ashwalagda?, valerian root. But overall, make lists, find goals. Lists should lead to larger goals, so that when you visually see things broken down, each challenge seems less overwhelming. Hope that helps, and seriously good luck, because depressions a bitch.

 

[Psyolopher]

Quant, thanks for your reply.
Yes, im on a break...which is gonna hopefully last me along time.
And yes, im trying my best to socialise with new people...I actually enjoy it alot.
Im meeting a girl soon of the net, been chattin with her a while now, shes to nervous to meet me though.haha thats just cute.

hey mate sadly i am right there again too....

i'd say fuck antidepressants and fuck phrases like its my brain's chemistry fault... also if you really wanna solve it maybe stop smoking and drinking so much....

i know you have problems and this also seems to be a an influence in your mood... however by being depressed you won't solve your problems this u gotta realize or it is most likely more exhausting... i'm really in a similar situation.... money problems and everything else kinda shitty too so....

maybe you have to find the joy in you... joy to be alive and get back to loving yourself. i think you gotta love yourself before you can love another person really....


so i suggest stop smoking and drinking so much and eat well for regards of wellbeing of your body....


and for your mind you maybe have to learn more to observe it more and then when you see that your mind goes into the negative loop again (like when you start to get stuck in the mindstate), consciously think positively and really see that this negative thinking leads to nowhere really except of maybe making you more depressed.


i already sent you a PM ... if you want we can talk about it over skype or so and help each other! well anyways hope u get better soon and sadly i don't know much about the stuff you posted the link about so i can't say much about it, but i'd like to stay away from antidepressiva and this stuff ... so that's just my opinion maybe someone else knows better!!...


edit: i can sign what the guys above me wrote as well... sports can be good and eating well is important and also sleeping!


also i don't wanna say you can get rid of it easily by just choosing to not be depressed any more but i guess it is basically like this, yet probably it takes some time to dissolve the negative thought-patterns that have built up over time...

peace & lots of love mate!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks man!
well, thats the thing.....I do so many things to enjoy life.
Some moments, i feel like i can go on...and that my misery doesnt matter compared to positivity.
But i always fall back to this.
Smoking or not. drinking or not.

Its strange, im just running out of answers and excuses.
Maybe its just the habit then?
I need to be in a place where my ego recreates.(Without Drugs or meditation.)

darkwolfunseen, thanks alot for your suggestions.
Never heard of any of them, new things give me hope.
So thank you again. I really should make my own program/list to follow.
All I do is question things really, until they become depressing, and the beauty of confusion is therefor lost.
I just wish that there was an idealology/flow or something like that leading my path.

Caduceus Mercurius:
I havent tried Light therapy, but The sun affects my mood increadibly.

St. Jonswort? hmm, i've tried flower therapy before...I felt the change....But it was expensive and really didnt do that much.

Running? yeah, training helps alot. Endorphin, even though I feel better ...the depression is still there.
But deffo, i will do more of exercise.
haha i need more sex in other words.

Psychoid:
Thanks for your suggestion.
I'm going to follow your advice, already started.

 

[st.bot.32]

lots of good ideas here.

i guess i can share my personal experiences.. maybe you'll find some of it useful. i went through several years of depression in my early 20s, diagnosed, medicated, everything

i have to second what a few others are saying. you can get depressed for completely physical reasons quite easily. lack of sunlight (seasonal affective disorder). lack of sleep. that's surprisingly the biggest one for me. if i get at least 3-4 nights of good 7-8 hours sleep per week, I can handle anything. when i'm underslept i get kind of crazy, and this isn't an overnight thing..it can build up without me noticing over a period of weeks or even months sometimes. also sun and exercise are vital for me.

and yeah when i was actually depressed many years ago.. pot definitely made things worse. it really is an amplifier. when you aren't thinking clearly, it just amplifies the negativity.. or at least it did for me (especially a few hours after smoking after the initial buzz). When i was coming out of my depression and hadn't touched it for a long time, then it was fantastic (as long as it was still occasional)

i can't vouch for pharmaceuticals.. they were nothing but trouble for me. but my depression wasn't chemical.. it was caused by my life being shitty. my doc really just threw an SNRI at me without even listening to what i was saying. i stopped with the SNRI, i had to make some serious changes and it took some time to crawl out of the hole i had sunk into. it was very hard. but i'm glad i did. my friends who relied on chemicals never made the changes they needed to make in their lives and never escaped

i'm not saying your depression isn't a medical condition (i guess that's what people mean by chemical depression), I can't make that kind of diagnosis. but a -very small- percentage of depression is actually caused by this. there was an article posted on the board last year about this somewhere.. wonder where it went. it was actually in a lot of newspapers.

you have to find the joy in you... joy to be alive and get back to loving yourself

agreed, once you've hit a certain point in your recovery you have to take this step. you have to get out and allow yourself to have fun. take your mind off yourself, volunteer, or help your friends do things (my last summer i was depressed a lot of my friends were moving.. i ended up helping everyone I knew move all their stuff.. good exercise and actually quality hangout time too!) eventually once a month, you might find you have a GOOD day. then more and more frequent... until the decent days start to outnumber the bad..

 

[Psychoid]

Yes, 5-htp can help, but it is important that you don't smoke cannabis if you start using it.

 

[Affirmatory]

Great advice here. Most depression is not chemical.

Exercise. Socialise. Eat well. Cut down on the drugs. All the little things add up.

Doing push-ups is great. It wakes you up and energizes you and only takes a few minutes. You can slowly increase the amount you do too. You will feel great when you see how much fitter you are getting.

Things get better after you work at them. You will be more happy and a much better person after this depression than you were before it. That's the way it seems to work for me.

:heart:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I havent tried Light therapy, but The sun affects my mood increadibly.

I posted a picture of a light box for personal use. You just sit in front of it every day for like 15 minutes, reading a book or something like that. They emit light of a certain intensity (measured in Lux). Here's more on that: www.lighttherapyessentials.com

St. Jonswort? hmm, i've tried flower therapy before...I felt the change....But it was expensive and really didnt do that much.

I don't understand what you mean with flower therapy (Bach remedies perhaps?), but I'm talking about the regular St. Jonswort extract, which usually isn't that expensive. You can get capsules for approximately 15 euros a month. Don't underestimate what St. Jonswort can do. Given some weeks to take effect, it's as effective as regular antidepressants, without the side-effects (do read about the contra-indications though).

I'm sure you've already read about it in the past few weeks: depression may be linked to the perinatal experience. So what was your birth like?

 

[Tunnelvision]

listen to psychoid and youll be fine.

 

[Psyolopher]

Thanks alot Caduceus Mercurius for your advice!
Tunnelvision, I just might.

Thanks for the support, I really didnt expect this.

 

[IJesusChrist]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... olutionary

Winter is a time to think, and reorganize.

Imagine your roots back in the days past, many thousands years ago. Winter was a desolate place in most areas of the globe. It was this time that people no longer could do everything they wanted - like in summer. It was time to organize thoughts, gain new perspectives, and change.

Depression in my opinion is when the body wants change, it signals that you are not happy with yourself - that it wants change. Take heed, give respect, and try to understand your depression. It's a beautiful thing,

but PLEASE. Don't smoke, don't take anti-depressants, don't drink unless with friends, party...

 

[st.bot.32]

Depression in my opinion is when the body wants change, it signals that you are not happy with yourself - that it wants change. Take heed, give respect, and try to understand your depression.

^ +1000

It's cool we're talking about this. I remember specifically there was a day when I was at my worst.. and I 'snapped' more or less and at some level started getting ahold of myself. I went for a long walk without any general direction.. for hours and hours.. through graveyards, bushes, cityscapes.. I watched the sunset, walked on late into the night. I think I was considering the possibility of just disappearing that day, but I didn't. It was one of the bleakest, loneliest and one of the most strangely beautiful days of my life. And I didn't know it at the time, but it was all recovery from that day on (it sure took a long time though). Just last weekend I revisited the same spots I went to for the first time since that day many years ago, it's been on my mind all week..

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Sam-E can help... amino acids are a big help to a starving brain. Fish or Algae oil (DHA-EPA) too, make syou feel less "dried up"

Chlorella also seems to help me alot. Rhodiola Rosea...

www.emofree.com

magnesium supplements are relaxing, VERY helpful.

Indian music, dancing...

Sex can be good, in moderation... masturbation is definately a no-no when depressive... your dopamine and serotonin levels might be low, don't burn them up with too much sexual stimulation.

Don't forget to regulate your testosterone feedback however with a strong ejaculation (orgasm much reach brain and be achieved within 10-15 minutes with a strong erection) ; this must be done every 2-3 days ; I assume you're between 20-30. Badly balanced ejaculation frequency is often cause of depression, especially overejaculation.

 

[st.bot.32]

when i was really depressed i had no sex drive at all, nothing was beautiful, and masturbation wasn't even in the picture. (when healthy, i generally have a pretty high libido i think)

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

When you reach such lows... I find it extreemly helpful to seek to cry, but not like with eyes closed and conscience folded on yourself...

You have to expose yourself and find something aweinspiring, so tears flow with eyes open and heart open, dynamically sharing with other lifeforms.

When I look at wild animals who stop to "communicate" I sometimes cry, when I play music too, sometimes I can look at someone beautiful or a child and cry. You have to stop and feel, only some degrees of physical pain I have experienced would keep me from finding my true feelings and crying.

These tears heal everything, happy are those who can cry with their soul. Oh and its not always tears of sadness you must seek, tears of joy are much sweeter and are never out of grasp, even if logic would seem to say so ; humans are not logic. Tears of joy from focusing on beauty, musical or dance of life, is always within grasp.

 

[Brugmansia]

Exercise (running/cycling at an intensity so that you can proceed for about 1 hour, 4 times a week), sleep regulary 8 hours on the 24 hour time scale. Don't eat/drink sugars (fast carbs) or satured fats, get omega 3 fats, eats lots of green apples and broccolli, drink 2 liter water a day seperated through-out the day, eat garlic, basilicum, nutmeg (max. 2 gram a day), minimize salt intake.

Intake of cafeine and meat is what you have to decide for yourself through sensing it, but these play a role.

Quit all drugs, and merely do a light/medium dose San Pedro or Peyote. These will tell fanciful but gentle in all honesty how to cure yourself in the long-term.

 

[Weyoun]

Yes, 5-htp can help, but it is important that you don't smoke cannabis if you start using it.

Can you please explain why? I tend to do this.
I don't have a depression though.