Define Magic

[Psyolopher]

Was some Psytrance track which had som quote which said:
Real magic is about hidden spaces in time and space!

Or something like that! It doesnt make much sense anyway!

 

[Dervish]

Magic is the use of secret codes of the other world to effect our physical world. Yes, it exists. It's taught by angels of God ?n Babil, and man asked to not to use it anyway. It's a test of our faith.

You can use it, change something on the behalf of yourself, but any profit through magic is destined to be lost or ruined at the end. The man who uses magic is eternally damned.

Life itself is wonder, but the term "magic" is not appropriate to describe it, I think.

Here is the verse about magic in Quran:

"And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this." (1.233)

 

[JohnDoe_2012]

Kind of blows my mind someone could be on a psychedelics forum quoting book from a book which they believe to be the transmitted words of a universal creator.

 

[Dervish]

Kind of blows my mind someone could be on a psychedelics forum quoting book from a book which they believe to be the transmitted words of a universal creator.

What's weird about it? Psychedelics are entheogens in other words "bringing God within". Dr. Strassman describes the God experience of a profound DMT trip as "IT IS KNOWN AS A CERTAINTY THAT THERE EXISTS AN UNIMAGINABLY POWERFUL CREATOR AND SUSTAINER OF REALITY, AND OF YOU PARTICULAR. THIS CREATOR IS UNBORN, UNCREATED, UNDYING AND UNCHANGING.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Anyone seeking the truth -especially a psychonaut- should read Quran

They 'should' do nothing. Especially not reading books which tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Think for yourself, question authority.

 

[Dervish]

Anyone seeking the truth -especially a psychonaut- should read Quran

They 'should' do nothing. Especially not reading books which tell you what you should and shouldn't do. Think for yourself, question authority.

Ignorance can not be admired. Humanity has not started with your birth. It has a thousands-year old heritage. You may given some knowledge through experimentation, but most are given through books. Someone can be illiterate and ignorant -like an amazonian indian and learn most from experimentation like ayahuasca. But an educated man who intentionly chooses ignorance, there's little he can learn through experimentation.

Luck favors the prepared mind, so does knowledge, so does enlightment.

 

[JazzyJeff]

Magic - It's when it works first time and has large cyrstals.

 

[mrvn]

Taking 3/4 of a blotter (yep my first time acid) while on vacation in France at 1600m above sealevel watching the stars looking to the end of the universe, thats magic

 

[GOD]

Personaly i think magic is golf . How can anyone get a hole in one ? How can anyone calculate all the posibilitys when putting and get that ball to roll over so many variables and go into the hole . Think of all those blades of grass of different sizes , different physical tensions , different lengths , the bumps it must go over in the ground . If you think about it its imposible . Theres something strange and not quite kosha going on or ?

 

[JazzyJeff]

Hey! I got a hole in one once. Really totally fluked it. Couldnt find the ball for 2 mins b4 someone said "Um... Its in the hole. You lucky bastard."

By the way I suck at golf. When people ask what my handicap I say "It's this bloody stick thing I got in my hand."

 

[Brugmansia]

The lack of ability to intercept the deeper constructs, or either not being aware at all that there is a construct, behind an observation or sense which intrigues and captivates the individual taster.

The more ignorant one is, the more magic one experiences, and the more believes, experiences, ambitions one has to run after. Hell that is bliss.

I should stop analyzing love, I end up taking a paper and draw the connections that are neurelogically sensed through my sophisticated inner self.

To feel magic, a certain level of ignorance needs to be maintained. The lack of specific strength and wisdom that is. Too much rationalism numbs.

 

[sopor]

Brugmansia well said. everything that is beyond our everyday experiences could be defined as magic.
i assume (i avoid using the word believe) that one has the power to manifest his will in the material world. It could have something to do with collective mind, wich one can connect to or should i say reach it, since it could be a part of our mind, like all the parts that we can see only when we change our awarenes (and conciousness?). this last part gives me trouble figguring it out. in magick, work with entities, angels, spiritual guides, demons, ... si involved. i find it resonable that these could be archetypes in the collective mind. this would make some sense, since these archetypes would make sone kind of shortcuts to the level of the mind that can affect global changes. and i come to the same question as when i try to explain meeting entities while tripping or astral projecting. could these entities be real and we just can't see them most of the time or are they realy just some kind of pinpoints in the universal mind that we can access? any thoughts?

 

[Alias55A]

well i do have to say there are some good points, but you guys are making it more complicated then it is, magick isnt realy life, or mysterious things, those are just apart of life, all things that happen, that are or once were, or havent come into being/or happend yet is life, not neccecerily the term magick, which the things above i like to call life or nature, b/c it is all natural ppl just dont see it that way b/c they arent used to it ect.. whatever there personal reason for not noticing its existence within nature.

ignorance does play a part, a druid told me once ignorance goes both ways, it is ignorance that causes the fool/him/her to search there of outside the box, answers, the otherside.
and it is ignorance that causes a person to not take upon that search/path.

of course i dont exaclty remember the phrasing but something close to that above. but igornace is also a perfect example of casue and effect.

now the term magick? i heard someone mention wicca, (shruggs) stupid coven crap that spread from the golden dawn, yes it is magick, just pampered with sugar, spice and everything gay.

personaly i practice if what you want to call magick(meditation, chakras, mantras, spells, rituals, tools, the whole veriety)

in most basic terms, magick and science go hand in hand, one uses scientific method of cause, effect/trial, error. a better explanation is this...

of sets there mode of mind closely and sturnley to the instention and mode of the ritual, makes the preperations, cause of doing so, embedding the mode and purpose/intention deep within the mind to later carry it out.
raises emotional energy pushed and directed with strong mental focus/attention of a clear mind(prepared earlier), if one chooses to evoke spirits to align with the intention of the ritual is optional, enery is raise, kept strong with concentrations of mind, with use of proper guestures/symbols to embedd the intention even further reaching/accessing the subconscious, focusing raised energy into correct symbol/gesture for carry out the purposes and intention of the ritual, with focus releasin the energy/symbol or whichever method one uses, and not thinking about it for a few days to take affect.

now if you are mentaly and emotionaly doing it right, whatever it is you are doing/willing should work. cause/effect, or if it doesnt, then trial error.

yes it is difficult to define but this is a small example.