Can Ego be changed?

[Forkbender]

ego is change

If ego is change, how can it change? Right, by not changing. But if it doesn't change, then it is not ego. So the only way for ego to change is to not be ego.

 

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[druglessdouglas]

"Desiring to be desireless?

The question was on changing the ego, not on improving it. It changes."

That doesn't mean it's improving. I didn't even mention improvement nor think about it. This is about change. Where did you get that idea from Subtle_Nod? There is nothing in my post that directly implies improvement- or even the word or synonyms. Coexisting can be improvement or not it's just what I feel is easier. Good point though.

i like that.
the ego evolves. evolution is change.
it doesnt neccesarily improve.

if you suddenly find yourself living on the streets your ego will change.
that doesnt mean it will improve. just that it will adapt to the situation

 

[Meduzz]

If ego is change, how can it change? Right, by not changing. But if it doesn't change, then it is not ego. So the only way for ego to change is to not be ego.

I like to see the ego as a crosspoint of streams of information, like input-output, but in more dimensions.

 

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[Dantediv86]

ego is constant
ego is constant change
ego is change

 

[Ultima]

but if we constantly change out ego through experiences.. what do we become? our previous life would have ment nothing, pretty much throwing away whatever it is we have learned to become who we are today, thus giving us our own different perception on life.

(if this post didnt make any sence whatsoever.. i appologize.. i just got some of the most chronc indica i have ever smoked)

 

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[user_1919]

Well lets not forget, this ego was not brought to our human conscious till recently. Most people don't even know they have an ego, let alone know that they can change it, or their perception of it.

but if we constantly change out ego through experiences.. what do we become? our previous life would have ment nothing, pretty much throwing away whatever it is we have learned to become who we are today, thus giving us our own different perception on life.

Makes perfect sense. It's called evolution. It's like math; why did we learn all that useless stuff in grade 1 when in Calculus it does not come into play? It's a foundation to build upon. The same thing applies with life, except it's a longer time span. Previous civilizations built the foundation to which we live on today. If it wasn't for their discoveries, we would not be where we are now. It is weird how evolution can pass from generation to generation. Maybe it is a culture that does not die, and it is what passes these evolutionary advancements down upon everyone as they enter the human realm as a baby. It is starting to make sense to me, culture is what never died; it conditions people to be who they are, and as culture progresses, so does the human population. But they are dependent on each other. Sorry if I got a little side tracked.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Meduzz]

but if we constantly change out ego through experiences.. what do we become? our previous life would have ment nothing, pretty much

We ARE our previous life :wink:

 

[Lion]

but if we constantly change out ego through experiences.. what do we become? our previous life would have ment nothing, pretty much

We ARE our previous life :wink:

exactly
who sais we have lived previous life? who can prove this? this is irrelevant.

 

[Forkbender]

but if we constantly change out ego through experiences.. what do we become? our previous life would have ment nothing, pretty much

We ARE our previous life :wink:

exactly
who sais we have lived previous life? who can prove this? this is irrelevant.

I guess ultima meant with previous life the life we lived from the moment of our birth up until now. At least it can be interpreted in that way. And Meduzz is still right in that respect. Ego is habit acquired through life.

 

[Rymmen]

You can consciously use the power of suggestion to create subconscious habit within yourself. Of course, you only consciously go in the direction you consider 'good', and where does that come from? The subconscious, I would guess and suggestion of those around you.

An identity is not in and of itself evil. Without it, you cannot interact with your environment, and I consider interaction to be good.

Existencialism says that you get to define what is good. Go ahead. I have faith that we can come up with something that will make us joyful.

 

[Dantediv86]

still if ego wasn't change tell me if you identify yourself as the same person you were yesterday. i'm not talking about drastic change. i'm talking about cumulative change. your past lives within you and your present adds to it. with experience your ego is influenced. that is why you can have an ego death and develop a new one little by little. that is why you can inflate it. if you can inflate it it means you made it bigger, if it's bigger it's different from before, therefore it changed. when you try to killl your ego and not succeed, from my experience, you don't go back to being the same person, but you change in attitude as well, you have learn't a lession and you hav been humbled, isn't that change?

and i beleive that ego can change wether you are aware of it or not.

 

[druglessdouglas]

your ego construct changes from moment to moment.
I when im with a friend am not the same I as i am with my mother.

 

[Meduzz]

I think it might be necessary to find the line between ego and culture for a more precise answer. As behavior towards other people is culture. Our past is soaked with culture. Now what is really ours inside our head?

Maybe the ego is culture? That would explain dissolving of cultural aspects on low doses of psychedelic and ego-death on higher doses a bit...

 

[druglessdouglas]

therev is definately a link meduzz

 

[Forkbender]

This is turning into a philosophical discussion where everybody just has his own definitions of 'ego', 'change', 'person', etc. Nice ego-games here.

 

[druglessdouglas]

my ego's bigger than yours!!

 

[Meduzz]

I wouldn't say it's a bad thing... most of the definitions seem complementary